Update from Big Dave (6 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Anyway, negotiations are clearly still ongoing, so let's hope that both sides can move forward together with something that's mutually beneficial.

One day I'd love to go back to only worrying about the football and not trying to understand contract disputes, legal cases and EU complaints.

Qualifying to be a CCFC fan is a tall order these days.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Anyway, negotiations are clearly still ongoing, so let's hope that both sides can move forward together with something that's mutually beneficial.

One day I'd love to go back to only worrying about the football and not trying to understand contract disputes, legal cases and EU complaints.

Problem is we have this just about every year now, it's groundhog day season after season.

It'd be far better if they actually tried to sort out some proper certainty, rather than all this instability that rocks and rolls.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That’s.

Problem is we have this just about every year now, it's groundhog day season after season.

It'd be far better if they actually tried to sort out some proper certainty, rather than all this instability that rocks and rolls.

That’s the plan they outlined to us. Long term Ricoh deal while a new stadium is built. Just nothing concrete and so very easy to be cynical

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That’s.

That’s the plan they outlined to us. Long term Ricoh deal while a new stadium is built. Just nothing concrete and so very easy to be cynical

Given they've been outlining new stadium since Northampton, it'd be entirely wrong *not* to be cynical without something concrete.

Talk is cheap.

 

[mark82]

Given they've been outlining new stadium since Northampton, it'd be entirely wrong *not* to be cynical without something concrete.

Talk is cheap.

Exactly. And we did make that point (and have continued to do so).

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Exactly. And we did make that point (and have continued to do so).

So have many others in the past, and I'm sure many will in the future.

The only thing we can cling to is the infinite monkeys may get an infinite number of bricks, and they might erect a stadium seemingly unknowingly one day, and we can all thank the Lords SISU.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Hold on, you are saying that if SISU win it may be down to a miscarriage of justice? Imagine if people were saying that they lost because of miscarriage of justice.

Didn't Wasps buy a business already embroiled in legal action, did they do much due diligence or just snap the hand of the council off? Maybe that's why it was a good deal as it was tainted with legal shite.

Again, all of Wasps / The Ricoh struggling seems to be pinned on this legal action and not how they have been running it.

People on here are effectively saying it's a miscarriage of justice and the club has been shafted by those nasty Wasps and councillors. It's pretty much the entire basis of these threads. What's the current score in the courts regarding the stadium situation? How damning were the judges in those cases of SISU? If SISU all of a sudden won this one I'm sure you'd be one of the first to say how the previous judgements were a travesty. If the council appealed it'll be why don't they just accept they were in the wrong and stop all this. But if they lose and they somehow find another angle to take it on such as the civil courts you'll be rooting for them against the mean nasty council and Wasps.

If there wasn't mistakes made in the legal profession surely after JR1 everyone on here should have said "OK, clearly nothing to see here. Time to move on" But instead it's support the appeal, JR2, that appeal, then the EU investigation..... Basically keep on going until we get the decision we want, then it should all end. A bit like having a game of Wembley and you're winning 5-0 then the ball hits the other person in the face, goes in and says last goal was the winner and everyone should go home now.

I'm not saying it would necessarily be a miscarriage of justice but why do you think some lawyers get to charge a fortune compared to others? Because they take cases that should be lost and win them. Not because it's the correct judgement or provides justice but because they find loopholes and minor errors to invalidate things.

 

[Nick]

People on here are effectively saying it's a miscarriage of justice and the club has been shafted by those nasty Wasps and councillors. It's pretty much the entire basis of these threads. What's the current score in the courts regarding the stadium situation? How damning were the judges in those cases of SISU? If SISU all of a sudden won this one I'm sure you'd be one of the first to say how the previous judgements were a travesty. If the council appealed it'll be why don't they just accept they were in the wrong and stop all this. But if they lose and they somehow find another angle to take it on such as the civil courts you'll be rooting for them against the mean nasty council and Wasps.

If there wasn't mistakes made in the legal profession surely after JR1 everyone on here should have said "OK, clearly nothing to see here. Time to move on" But instead it's support the appeal, JR2, that appeal, then the EU investigation..... Basically keep on going until we get the decision we want, then it should all end. A bit like having a game of Wembley and you're winning 5-0 then the ball hits the other person in the face, goes in and says last goal was the winner and everyone should go home now.

I'm not saying it would necessarily be a miscarriage of justice but why do you think some lawyers get to charge a fortune compared to others? Because they take cases that should be lost and win them. Not because it's the correct judgement or provides justice but because they find loopholes and minor errors to invalidate things.

You do realise the club could have been shafted by the council and Wasps without anything in the legals? They weren't being judged on if people have shafted, they were judging if the processes were followed properly with the bailout and sale. Weren't they?

There has been actual evidence to show the club HAS been shafted by Wasps and the Council, did you need a judge to rule on that specific bit to decide?


This is the issue, people seem to think that the court cases say that the council, ACL and wasps are completely innocent of everything ever when it comes to ccfc.

 

[clint van damme]

So have many others in the past, and I'm sure many will in the future.

The only thing we can cling to is the infinite monkeys may get an infinite number of bricks, and they might erect a stadium seemingly unknowingly one day, and we can all thank the Lords SISU.

I think sisus plan to build a new stadium is a bit like my plan to build a house on Kenilworth rd.
Consists of hoping someone knocks on my door and offers to build it and pay for it then put it in my name.

 

[chiefdave]

I do think that might be the one. Im sure they group had asked not to be mentioned publicly so of course our friendly local rag revealed them

Is that the one where someone involved complained that they'd all signed confidentiality agreements and then all of a sudden his companies were getting phone calls about him being involved in taking us over?

 

[Mcbean]

The bill for the bricks should be slightly less as there are a couple of 1000 in the Ricoh that should be in any permanent Sky Blue home in the future ! And one has my name in it - it’s my contribution

 

[chiefdave]

The point you are studiously ignoring is that “the legals” isn’t just the EU complaint but the promise to halt further attempts to reverse the sale of the Ricoh.

What new action could SISU bring if the EU complaint fails? Aren't we well past the deadline for that?

As far as I can make out the only further action would be for compensation if the council are found to be in the wrong. Why would any supporter be against that if the EC investigate and find the councils actions have caused millions of pounds worth of damage to the football club?

Of course that would be compensation from the council so once again it has no impact on Wasps and shouldn't be any reason to stop talks, especially as you insist the council holds no influence with Wasps.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is that the one where someone involved complained that they'd all signed confidentiality agreements and then all of a sudden his companies were getting phone calls about him being involved in taking us over?

Yes, rumours were also around that Ken Dulieu had leaked it to the CT

 

[chiefdave]

People on here are effectively saying it's a miscarriage of justice and the club has been shafted by those nasty Wasps and councillors. It's pretty much the entire basis of these threads. What's the current score in the courts regarding the stadium situation? How damning were the judges in those cases of SISU?

There's a big difference between saying what the council and Wasps did was wrong and saying they broke the law. SISU could legally move us to Sunderland but I'm sure most people on here would view that as a disgrace and wouldn't just passively accept it.

If there wasn't mistakes made in the legal profession surely after JR1 everyone on here should have said "OK, clearly nothing to see here. Time to move on" But instead it's support the appeal, JR2, that appeal, then the EU investigation.

Worth remembering, as a lot of people seem to miss this point, the EU investigation is not a rerun of the judicial reviews. It will be undertaken on the basis that UK law has been correctly applied. They will instead be looking at how it stacks up with EU law and if they find a breach of EU law they will then look to identify where UK law is not consistent with EU law.

 

[Limey]

I'm not sure how attractive a stadium with two sports clubs playing behind closed doors and unable to put on gigs is at the moment to be honest, (I know outdoor gigs got the nod yesterday but with social distancing that may mean they're not viable at the Ricoh).
The covid situation has added a whole other level of uncertainty to this situation.

Maybe it's the ideal time? Value at its lowest. Covid lockdown won't last forever...

 

[clint van damme]

Maybe it's the ideal time? Value at its lowest. Covid lockdown won't last forever...

You'd need to be Wworking on the assumption both sisu and wasps are looking for a way out and prepared to sell cheaply.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Problem is we have this just about every year now, it's groundhog day season after season.

The year is 2030. Brexit is long done and dusted...Covid-19 is a distant memory...Cov are playing at the Ricoh/Sisudrome....Wasps are bust/still bumbling along but not in Cov....Carl Baker is our manager (with Doyle, McSheffrey and George Thomas as his backroom team).

What the hell do we talk about then?

 

[clint van damme]

The year is 2030. Brexit is long done and dusted...Covid-19 is a distant memory...Cov are playing at the Ricoh/Sisudrome....Wasps are bust/still bumbling along but not in Cov....Carl Baker is our manager (with Doyle, McSheffrey and George Thomas as his backroom team).

What the hell do we talk about then?

when are we signing Bright?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The year is 2030. Brexit is long done and dusted...Covid-19 is a distant memory...Cov are playing at the Ricoh/Sisudrome....Wasps are bust/still bumbling along but not in Cov....Carl Baker is our manager (with Doyle, McSheffrey and George Thomas as his backroom team).

What the hell do we talk about then?

Why isn't Julian Gray playing?

 

[higgs]

If we do go back they need to do something about the pitch the oval ball warriors are destroying the playing surface

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[Senior Vick from Alicante]

Serious question about the Ricoh, do people enjoy visiting and the experience in general? I would enjoy it more if the stand behind the goal reopened but it ain't what Highfield road was in the sense that you identify it with CCFC?

 

[Tommo1993]

Serious question about the Ricoh, do people enjoy visiting and the experience in general? I would enjoy it more if the stand behind the goal reopened but it ain't what Highfield road was in the sense that you identify it with CCFC?

Could probably count the amount of rocking atmospheres the Ricoh has had on one hand. Unfortunately it’s not HR, but what choice do we have? Sofa surf different grounds before inevitable extinction or wait for the make believe stadium to be built?

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Serious question about the Ricoh, do people enjoy visiting and the experience in general? I would enjoy it more if the stand behind the goal reopened but it ain't what Highfield road was in the sense that you identify it with CCFC?

In all honesty, no. As Tommo said, I can remember probably 5 games with a decent atmosphere. I could cycle to it quicker than I could get public transport and I live 24 miles away. Basically means I have to drive and even if we weren't the pubs around it are limited (being generous) non-existent (realistic). I couldn't be more behind the idea that we have to play in the city that we take our name from, but the St Andrews experience reminded me what going to the football should feel like, it's just a bit shit we won't ever get that at the Ricoh.

 

[Tommo1993]

Personally, do I like it? I can’t even muster up a half decent answer. Pretty stadium to look at. But it is one of the coldest, dullest match days in England imo. Again, we’re not left with a massive reasonable choice.

 

[win9nut]

Serious question about the Ricoh, do people enjoy visiting and the experience in general? I would enjoy it more if the stand behind the goal reopened but it ain't what Highfield road was in the sense that you identify it with CCFC?

It's a great stadium, but definitely needs a better choice of drinking holes close by... Say on the site of the Working Mans Club over the road for example, or re-development of the industrial estate
Throw in better public transport and get the Train Station open, and with success on he pitch, more and more people will turn up generating a better atmosphere...

 

[Limey]

On the train station, 12th September is showing a running service from Leamington to Ricoh which fit nicely with match times. £7.65 return

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

On the train station, 12th September is showing a running service from Leamington to Ricoh which fit nicely with match times. £7.65 return

For comparison, from Stratford it's 2 hours 21 minutes and £15.20

 

[Limey]

For comparison, from Stratford it's 2 hours 21 minutes and £15.20

1 hour 44 via Leam. Not great.
Quicker than my drive up from Pompey.

 

[clint van damme]

For comparison, from Stratford it's 2 hours 21 minutes and £15.20

That really is pitiful.Transport links to Stratford have always been shocking.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Serious question about the Ricoh, do people enjoy visiting and the experience in general? I would enjoy it more if the stand behind the goal reopened but it ain't what Highfield road was in the sense that you identify it with CCFC?

If we did get to own the stadium I would like to see one of the stands behind the goals bulldozed and then replaced with a new safe standing terrace similar capacity to the old West Terrace and moved closer to the pitch, this would break up the boring bowl design and give the stadium a bit of uniqueness

 

[PVA]

Could probably count the amount of rocking atmospheres the Ricoh has had on one hand.

This is very true, but we've been served up a lot of crap at the Ricoh. The football hasn't exactly been exciting and the results on the pitch have been poor.

I'm quite confident it would have been rocking last season. Not at full capacity of course, but there would have been a decent atmosphere in there.

 

[Skybluemichael]

Righto, I misunderstood you. Giving up any right to future legal action gives the club no means to defend itself if there are future genuine reasons which are nothing to do with ownership and so it could give Wasps carte blanche to be unreasonable with impunity. Both clubs need CCFC to return and it seems more that Wasps are denying themselves an income rather than obstinacy on our part, even with the blinkers off. Perhaps they could be specific on no more legal action relating to ownership?

Exactly this

 

[capel & collindridge]

The year is 2030. Brexit is long done and dusted...Covid-19 is a distant memory...Cov are playing at the Ricoh/Sisudrome....Wasps are bust/still bumbling along but not in Cov....Carl Baker is our manager (with Doyle, McSheffrey and George Thomas as his backroom team).

What the hell do we talk about then?

The list is endless and probably worth a new thread to itself: 'The good old days at St Andrews' and 'What we did when we didn't go to Sixfields' and 'Burge available again on a free. So worth a Punt?' and 'If Sky Blue Bloody Robins had stayed would we still be in the Premier League?' and 'Is our Dream management team enough to get us promotion to the EFL?

 

[matesx]

The year is 2030. Brexit is long done and dusted...Covid-19 is a distant memory...Cov are playing at the Ricoh/Sisudrome....Wasps are bust/still bumbling along but not in Cov....Carl Baker is our manager (with Doyle, McSheffrey and George Thomas as his backroom team).

What the hell do we talk about then?

Remember we were supposed to be getting a fecking Robins flag?

 

[ccfcway]

It's a great stadium, but definitely needs a better choice of drinking holes close by... Say on the site of the Working Mans Club over the road for example, or re-development of the industrial estate
Throw in better public transport and get the Train Station open, and with success on he pitch, more and more people will turn up generating a better atmosphere...

just open up what was the jag arena bit, put the early game on, cheap beers and have a ex player or two turn up