Astute
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So are you saying that she radicalized people in the UK when she was 15 and did nothing wrong when in Syria?
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Shamima Begum Not Allowed Back. (20 Viewers)
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Grendel
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It’s hardly comparable is it? Venebles Thompson and Bell all knew what they were doing it’s hardly an argument for voting age reduction
ccfc92
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Wasn't her dad involved in Extremist marches etc?
Otis
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Okay. I didn't know that. Big factor if so I would have thought.
ccfc92
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I don't know for sure, I just remember it being reported at the time I think.
But yeah, massive factor. "Yes Darling, of course you can join ISIS".
skybluetony176
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That was Amira Abase’s dad.
Otis
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How come every time I see those photos I think of the Sound of Music?
ccfc92
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shmmeee
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ccfc92
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Shamima Begum can return to UK to fight for citizenship, Court of Appeal rules - BBC News
The 20-year-old, who joined the Islamic State group in Syria, has been denied a fair hearing, judges say.
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Wyken Sky Blue
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I'm literally lost for words at this news.
How can someone knowingly leave the UK to join a notorious terrorist group after having their UK citizenship stripped have the chance to fight for it again?
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How can someone knowingly leave the UK to join a notorious terrorist group after having their UK citizenship stripped have the chance to fight for it again?
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clint van damme
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as stated in this thread many times, no country can leave a citizen stateless.
The argument is whether she holds dual nationality and if she does would she be mistreated in the other country (Bangladesh), if she was returned there.
If she is allowed to keep her citizenship she should then be tried in a UK court.
The laws are made to protect us all and sometimes that means they protect wrong uns' but they are there for a reason.
hill83
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Agree to be fair, but it's still annoying.
Sky Blue Pete
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So I was right then. Excellent after all this time
pastythegreat
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But she's not stateless, she belongs to the Islamic state, that was her choice!
You cant turn your back on your family, your country and all its laws and rules, then just flounce back in when it all goes wrong.... well, subsequently you can, but it doesn't make it right.
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clint van damme
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you may recognise the islamic state as legitimate but I don't think the international community does!
I believe the Islamic state also dishes out justice ad hoc, we don't want to be following them.
There's a process, and it should be followed, it may have the side affect of helping her unfortunately though if the courts decide we cannot take away her citizenship then I can't see any reason she cannot be tried on some fairly serious charges.
fernandopartridge
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Islamic state is not a recognised legitimate state. It would be ridiculous to recognise it as such.
SkyBlueDom26
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Fucking joke, the system is a fucking joke there is no way she should be allowed anywhere near this country after what she did she knew exactly what she was doing at 15
clint van damme
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your second statement is correct but it has no bearing on your first.
There's a good reason why it's illegal to leave citizens stateless.
A functioning democracy can't administer law on an adhoc basis.
SkyBlueDom26
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Fucking hell what a shambles
SkyBlueDom26
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She should be stateless tho after what she did, they all should
clint van damme
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but countries aren't allowed to leave citizens stateless and there's a good reason for that.
I think she's an appalling human being no matter how young she is, but i'm not defending her, I'm defending the rule of law and due process.
pastythegreat
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Thats it, we'll bring her back to serve prison time, where she will spend the next 10 years in prison grooming other people to hate the UK and possibly kill British citizens one day! What a fucking joke of a system.
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clint van damme
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it's not a joke, but any system that's put in place to help people or protect people will occasionally benefit unsavoury characters. It may turn out that she's a Bangladeshi citizen in which case the government will be on solid ground by removing UK citizenship, hopefully that's the case.
skybluetony176
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Was always going to happen. The only citizenship she’s ever held is U.K.. The Bangladeshi thing was never anything more than a cynical PR stunt to look tough ahead of a general election. She’ll win her citizenship back and then stand trial for her actions in joining IS. The only real question left is will she be trialed as a adult or as a juvenile given that she was only 15 at the point of her initial crime. Maybe she’ll have multiple trials, depends on what she did after joining IS and whether the evidence exists for a successful trial. I suspect though that she’ll only be trialed as a juvenile for traveling overseas to join IS and then serve the maximum prison sentence (6 years was a previous sentence for a woman traveling to join IS, although she was an adult at the time and took her son with her). Anyone expecting her to spend the rest of her life in prison may be disappointed.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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If she remained a member of IS as an adult and (as seems to be the case) has not renounced or shown remorse at her actions she'll be tried as an adult.
Just cos you join a gang as a kid doesn't mean you should get tried as a kid if you're still doing shitty things in that gang in your twenties.
Just cos you join a gang as a kid doesn't mean you should get tried as a kid if you're still doing shitty things in that gang in your twenties.
clint van damme
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she's renounced her actions but it's clearly PR. She should be tried as an adult.
It’sabatch87
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Cushy life in jail,Laughing at families of children butchered in Manchester what a laughing stock we’ve become!!!
Otis
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Surely no lawyer defending any client in any legal case, is ever in a position to guarantee their client's future behaviour are they.
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Her crime as a British citizen was to join a proscribed group. She was a British citizen and should have faced trial for that. A person in power should not have the right to take away one's citizenship, and especially if that has has been derived as a right through birth in that country.