Grendel
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Think the original lease was 50 years and we’re 15 years into that.
If the lease was reverted it goes to 38 years
Think the original lease was 50 years and we’re 15 years into that.
I’m not pretending to understand this G. But if it’s administration, then the administrator would use the stadium as an asset. If it’s complete receivership then it would be the receivers who control the stadium as an asset? CCC would still hold the freehold but the lease would/could end up in the hands of the highest bidder. Which could be another Wasps entity or SISU or anyone else for that matter!
No response from wasps yet then ?
I really hate that argument. In reality what this means is that the stadium will be under a separate company, let's call it 'StadCo'. StadCo and SBS&L (i.e. CCFC) would be separate entities but likely under the same holding company (probably Otium Entertainment). They'd be mad if they didn't do it that way to be honest.
Who are Comango ltd? I thought Wasps were owned by Moonstone Holdings part of the MGI groupThe terms seem to me to suggest that if wasps holdings went into administration then CCC do not automatically have a right to the lease as any organisation that has security over wasps holdings could contest and have the original lease turned over to them. This I assume would be Comango Ltd
Who are Comango ltd? I thought Wasps were owned by Moonstone Holdings part of the MGI group
You sound really pissed my friend? What progress would give you hope? I’m still only at 10% but believe more than I ever haveIf SISU don't know that the best way of getting people to believe is to do rather than say, they never will. It doesn't need a polite email for that to be obvious.
Although looking at this board, it seems rinse and repeat is sufficient for many.
Maton didn't get the message
so Canmango are owned by Wasps Holdings which they purchased from Moonstone Holdings in June 2014 for £1.00. Canmango have a debt outstanding to them by Wasps of £10,617,799 which dates back to 2014. Wasps are owned by Moonstone Holdings of Malta which as I said earlier are part of MGI Fiduciary Sevices Limited a company registered in Malta who the controlling party is Derek Richardson.Sorry it’s Canmango a U.K. holding company - the moonestone holdings company is based in Malta and I believe owns them
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You know, seven years after this started and you're at 10%, the most belief you've ever had. Says it all that really, doesn't it.You sound really pissed my friend? What progress would give you hope? I’m still only at 10% but believe more than I ever have
Would be more likely to be seen though. Seems more apt because of Sky Blue Way and JH Way. Ryton is well out of the way. Doesn’t have to be isolated in the middle
I’m not being cheeky here but you’ve done my trick waffled but not said anything.You know, seven years after this started and you're at 10%, the most belief you've ever had. Says it all that really, doesn't it.
Actual progress instead of this attempt to woo by statements, PR, and buttering up is what I want. They're currently doing everything ACL and CCC were castigated for doing, trying to skew perspective instead of actually helping the club. They need to show, rather than tell. Joy is supposed to be a woman of action, but there has been none. Let's see some actual, tangible movement beyond drawings, Stadium Consultation Groups, statements. Let's see something to actually get behind.
Fool me once...
Let's see them follow the actual pattern that actual football clubs who want an actual stadium do.
So, we've identified the land, but we're not quite sure which bit. It reads like we're appealing for investors to come to us, so they're not fully lined up. Somebody claims we've been talking about this for six years(!) If we're not good to go with planning permission now, we never will be. Let's actually move on this and stop bitching about CCC / Wasps / whoever stopping us from doing things, let's stop playing the victim and , and actually try something constructive for a change.
It really is beyond parody isn't it? All the fear mongering over what SISU would do with the stadium was done immediately by Richardson without a peep. The scenario is exactly the game same, football club as vehicle for obtaining estate.Sorry it’s Canmango a U.K. holding company - the moonestone holdings company is based in Malta and I believe owns them
CANMANGO LIMITED overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK
CANMANGO LIMITED - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activitybeta.companieshouse.gov.uk
The Jimmy Hill Way doesn't go as far as Sky Blue Way though. It's the bit of the A444 from holbrook lane to the ricoh
Stop with the statements that say nothing.I’m not being cheeky here but you’ve done my trick waffled but not said anything.
Mark and I want to be able to ensure that progress is made as expected on the new stadium as the 2 years are ticking. I’ve got some ideas but I think you probably have too. What are they? Please don’t be too frustrated things are coming to a head they have to
It really is beyond parody isn't it? All the fear mongering over what SISU would do with the stadium was done immediately by Richardson without a peep. The scenario is exactly the game same, football club as vehicle for obtaining estate.
You know, seven years after this started and you're at 10%, the most belief you've ever had. Says it all that really, doesn't it.
Actual progress instead of this attempt to woo by statements, PR, and buttering up is what I want. They're currently doing everything ACL and CCC were castigated for doing, trying to skew perspective instead of actually helping the club. They need to show, rather than tell. Joy is supposed to be a woman of action, but there has been none. Let's see some actual, tangible movement beyond drawings, Stadium Consultation Groups, statements. Let's see something to actually get behind.
Fool me once...
Let's see them follow the actual pattern that actual football clubs who want an actual stadium do.
So, we've identified the land, but we're not quite sure which bit. It reads like we're appealing for investors to come to us, so they're not fully lined up. Somebody claims we've been talking about this for six years(!) If we're not good to go with planning permission now, we never will be. Let's actually move on this and stop bitching about CCC / Wasps / whoever stopping us from doing things, let's stop playing the victim and , and actually try something constructive for a change.
How often do we draw a line? You learn from history, you don't sweep it under the carpet, especially when patterns repeat themselves!I'm not sure they've been speaking seriously to UoW for 6 years. Certainly wasn't exclusive.
I know it's difficult, but let's draw a line under the past and look at what we need/want in terms of progression from here. 1st thing is to formalise the partnership and confirm the site I guess.
How often do we draw a line? You learn from history, you don't sweep it under the carpet, especially when patterns repeat themselves!
The onus is on them to prove it's different, not on us to take a leap of faith it is. If they show it's different, happy days! But so far they're doing the exact opposite.
I don't believe they have.But tbf to sisu they have shown differences and willingness to do do things properly over the last three years or so
How often do we draw a line? You learn from history, you don't sweep it under the carpet, especially when patterns repeat themselves!
The onus is on them to prove it's different, not on us to take a leap of faith it is. If they show it's different, happy days! But so far they're doing the exact opposite.
And you don't change peoples' or organisations' behaviour by accepting it and trusting without evidence it'll be different the next time.I draw a line every day mate. Move forwards, not backwards. You can learn from the past without dwelling on it.
I’m pretty sure that’s incorrect. In fact I’m not pretty sure. Ah fuck knows.
Edit: It’s definitely all JH Way, I just looked.
I don't believe they have.
The *club* has been well managed by Robins, and the Chief Exec (and dare I say it, the chairman!), although many of those structures, such as the youth academy, were in place anyway. The results weren't there, but thr groundwork to get us the income from Wilson, Maddison, Bayliss, had been.
However, we're often told the club is not SISU. SISU have still been disengenuous, manipulative, litigious, and stuck in a rut where they speak every now and again about a new ground, but deliver nothing.
I don't believe they have.
The *club* has been well managed by Robins, and the Chief Exec (and dare I say it, the chairman!), although many of those structures, such as the youth academy, were in place anyway. The results weren't there, but thr groundwork to get us the income from Wilson, Maddison, Bayliss, had been.
However, we're often told the club is not SISU. SISU have still been disengenuous, manipulative, litigious, and stuck in a rut where they speak every now and again about a new ground, but deliver nothing.
I would clarify, just in my opinion...
If “waive the NDA” means providing hard proof of the club being pissed around and of Wasps/ CCC scheming and lying then great, that’s what I’m looking for. If it means “here’s our opinion and interpretation of what was said” then it’s useless and pointless and will actually do more damage than has already been done. Now they’ve gone this far they need to deliver the ‘proof’ otherwise they’ll look like bullshitters.
Give me something to get behind, and I will. Give me media manipulation, and I'll get pissed. They *are* pulling the same shit as before currently.I think the issue is mate that you are unable to leave the past behind (that's not ment as a criticsm at all just a statement of fact) and so you view everything in a certain way due to how they have acted in the past (and I see completely why you would do that) but we all need to draw a line for the good of our football club. Don't get me wrong, if they pull any of the same shit as before I will be the first to be yelling sisu out from the rooftops but it does feel different this time.
Also we have to remember that there is really only joy left from the sisu of before (Tim seems to have been moved aside thank fuck) and her interaction with it all is so much more open and forthcoming than before that it seems that she has learnt from her mistakes in the past which is all we can ask for as they are here for the long term
You are basically describing a mortgage isn’t it better being in house debt then banks debitEven in the very unlikely event the Ricoh were to end up being available CCFC will NOT be the owners. It'll be owned by SISU in a holding company and the club will be renting it. It'd probably be a better deal than we've had in the past, certainly in terms of access to income. But given that SISU are providing loans to cover cash losses effectively we'd have owners charging us to use the stadium and then gaining interest on top of that because they'd be partly funding the cash required to pay it.
Give me something to get behind, and I will. Give me media manipulation, and I'll get pissed. They *are* pulling the same shit as before currently.
What they are, is learning how to do their PR in a more effective way...
That’s what I think tooI'm not sure they've been speaking seriously to UoW for 6 years. Certainly wasn't exclusive.
I know it's difficult, but let's draw a line under the past and look at what we need/want in terms of progression from here. 1st thing is to formalise the partnership and confirm the site I guess.
Really good point.....the away dayers could do it last year quite easily... not so this coming year!!!! Just get behind the lads people.... we owe it to them.This comment from Boddy now might result in relations between CCFC and the stripy b***ards being irreparably damaged. I would think we will now be at St Andrews for 21/22 season too (I cannot see Wasps going pop within the next 12 months that’s for sure).
To those saying they will go to away games only, good luck with that. Given the impact COVID will have on stadia capacities, it will likely be a while before away fans will be allowed, and even then I would think season ticket holders will snap up the majority of whatever does go to away supporters
I’m less keen on disrupting the CofC year....I’m a proud Coventrian and really don’t want to embarrass my city. But I’m more than happy to cause Wasps a whole load of stuff. Hate the council over all this but the year of culture is above politics and a huge opportunity for CoventryThe city of culture and sport should have been targetted from the start as soon as CCFC were left out.