cc84cov
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Yep are they hoping to hit people for damages to fund the new stadium...100% we need to build the stadium
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Part of the viability examination when the Ricoh was being built and CCFC named as tenant, expected the Club to make at least one major player sale in a season
Pity they did not own any !
chiefdave
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With the bricks I would suggest the first thing to do is establish what is involved in removing them without causing damage. Pretty sure they're just faceplates so someone who knows what they're doing should be able to manage it.
Then there's the question of what to do with them. On the basis that at some point we will have a ground is the best option a temporary location and if so where. Ryton would be an obvious option but they wouldn't be accessible to the public.
Then there's the question of what to do with them. On the basis that at some point we will have a ground is the best option a temporary location and if so where. Ryton would be an obvious option but they wouldn't be accessible to the public.
Are you related to David Icke?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Which is why a partnership with Warwick Uni (or even Coventry Uni) is a great idea.
Huge institutions, with huge amounts of land, with ambitions to develop.
The situation has changed materially from 2008.
For arguments sake, let’s work on the following assumptions:
1) new stadium plans yet another ruse
2) EU complaint successful
3) resulting in Wasps leaving Coventry
In this scenario, the RICOH reverts back to CCC control. No progress has been made on this ‘partnership’ with UoW. How does Coventry come to own the RICOH?
We would still have to negotiate with CCC, and in this scenario, it’s inconceivable the relationship between CCFC and CCC would be better off. How do we agree a price for the RICOH? The CCC showed no willingness to sell their share to CCFC before all this kicked off.
Regardless of their intentions in 2008. Since the the sale of the RICOH to Wasps, it makes the most sense to give up on the aspiration of owning the RICOH and building our own stadium.
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cc84cov
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100% we can’t deal with CCC we seemed to be about to burn all bridges with wasps question is are SISU about building the stadium
Nick
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Agree with that. The biggest "fuck you" would be showing Wasps and CCC what they could have had.
Packed out pubs, people getting behind the club and fan unity.
People have said for years that SISU want to divide the fans, the fact CCC had to get a PR company in to do exactly that shows that they don't want the fans to unite against them. Duggins gloating about "public opinion" being on their side, fuck that.
Have said for years, what would scare Wasps and CCC most would be a united (as much as possible) fan base against them and fully behind CCFC (CCFC, not SISU).
The situation has changed since 2008, but also hasn't changed materially since 2014 and Wasps coming in! If SISU saw that as the death knell for any deal with the council, we should be a lot further along with a new stadium - after all, what hope would there be for anything else?
SISU thought they could wear down the council and get control of the Ricoh. They almost managed it, but now it turns out they have to wear down Wasps as well. That's fine, they're up to the fight, even if it takes longer than expected. They'll continue to negotiate and wait for someone to cave. Suggesting that we are making plans for a new stadium is a key part of making sure that process continues. Actually going ahead and building the damn thing is a surefire way of ensuring it doesn't.
I think this has been obvious for some time. Even if the relationship improved renting is never going to be ideal and the pitch is always going to be wrecked by rugby.
You can hope that wasps go bust but that might never happen, they’ll probably be saved by some rich idiot. Even if they did go bust you have the issues with the council in trying to get hold of the Ricoh.
As unlikely as it feels a new stadium seems the only long term solution.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Straight answer please:
Do you think CCC would allow Coventry City to build another stadium in their jurisdiction?
Again, we know the club has been in talks with UoW regarding a potential partnership since 2014.
If progress is made on this project over the next year, we could safely say SISU have almost certainly given up on the RICOH as a first choice option.
Yes.
If progress is made, then I agree the Ricoh appears to be Plan B. But I'll believe it when I see it. Joint statements don't cut it.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that after six years (!) of talks with UoW, we only got news of this latest new stadium project a few days before we learned the latest round of Ricoh negotiations were collapsing.
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They haven't exactly rushed if that was the case...
Mucca Mad Boys
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Based on what evidence?
The relationship between the two parties is completely broken.
Now the announcement is made, there’s no excuses for having no updates. We cannot argue about the future, as it is yet to happen. As it happens, I’ve been vocal of the need for all of us to be sceptical and to hold the club accountable for delivering on this project.
mr_monkey
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Thmm
Hang on, you think that CCC would let sisu build another stadium within their boundaries? If so can I please have some of what you are smoking, there is no chance in hell that CCC will allow another stadium to be built whilst the Ricoh still stands, that's why sisu have had to go to Warwick council for the land, please keep up
Hang on, you think that CCC would let sisu build another stadium within their boundaries? If so can I please have some of what you are smoking, there is no chance in hell that CCC will allow another stadium to be built whilst the Ricoh still stands, that's why sisu have had to go to Warwick council for the land, please keep up
shepardo01
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Mucca Mad Boys
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We don’t know of any sticking points in negotiations and so on, but it’s out there now. The two parties have got to crack on with it now.
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You're seriously suggesting, six years and this statement is as far as they've got?
Best look forward to an ground in 2045 then.
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Deleted member 5849
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Even the most obstructive of councils wouldn't have restricted SISU to this vaguest of vague statements across seven years.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Planning a stadium isn’t exactly an easy task that can be completed overnight.
The RICOH itself took 8 years from planning to construction. That’s with a local council that supported it in this process.
The plans are out there now, and if there’s no progress on this made, then we hold the club to account.
Like you, I will remain sceptical until bricks begin to be laid.
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Seemingly nor is making a statement about how they'd like some land.
Mucca Mad Boys
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The site for Brighton’s AMEX stadium was found in 1998-99. The stadium was completed in 2011.
I’ve not said it’s acceptable that it’s taken this long. We are where we are and looking at the past doesn’t really do anything for us.
Sarcastic comments are one thing, but at least there’s something out there we can scrutinise.
We’ll know more later when there is progress or lack thereof.
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How about Rotherham's ground taking for years?
Brighton had also applied for planning permission after three years.
We've released a statement in twice that time. So if you want a comparison...
Mucca Mad Boys
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It’s not exactly like we’ve got a supportive local council to help us in the pursuit of building a new stadium though, is it?
With the whole UoW thing, since they’ve had to get planning permission from CCC for infrastructure projects. Isn’t it a possibility that the club and UoW needed to wait until approval for this first?
Make no mistake that all parties are involved in a Machiavellian power struggle. It wouldn’t surprise me if the CCC would block such infrastructure projects.
I don’t know timeframes of all this, so I’m only hypothesising here.
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Skyblueweeman
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Agreed. We weren't consulted when the Council were in talks with Wasps about buying the Ricoh.
Idiots.
Liquid Gold
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Same amount of time for the trust to do anything useful but you'll still go to meetings and tell us to wait and see.
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Ah, beautiful whataboutery whereas I did, not talked. I went to try and enact change, same as the Wasps protest. Both failed but at least I wasn't empty hot air bitching into a void. Must be doing something right when I'm SISU sympathiser to some, Trust stooge to others.
You know the argument's lost when people are residing to dog=cat.
Seriously, this place is going mental over a statement when we've had loads of those over the years. It's like groundhog Day and the onus is to give something substantive more than we've had before. It's not asking much after seven years.
Thmm
Hang on, you think that CCC would let sisu build another stadium within their boundaries? If so can I please have some of what you are smoking, there is no chance in hell that CCC will allow another stadium to be built whilst the Ricoh still stands, that's why sisu have had to go to Warwick council for the land, please keep up
It's largely academic given there aren't vast swathes of land under CCC jurisdiction that could work as a stadium for us. We had to partner with CCC to make the last stadium happen, and we can never do that again as long as the current SISU and council leaders are in charge. So it makes sense we would look to somewhere like Warwick Uni. But let's say there's some magical stadium site that we could make work on our own, and was our only option to keep the club in Coventry - I don't think the council could get away with outright killing the club by obstructing it for years like that (Would it even be legal?) Someone has to cave eventually. It's mostly a red herring though, because it's much more likely (and cheaper!) that someone at the Ricoh will cave first....
usskyblue
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We’re ALL guilty of not doing anything to make ANYONE good on their word.
The Trust was/is tilted and burned their bridges long ago. But we, as a forum, now have a voice and a line of communication with ownership. Rather than quibble about the validity of the latest stadium ‘project’, let’s use our collective voice to let SISU know that we will need to see what tangible progress they are (or aren’t) making.
SISU have put themselves at the plate. This time we need to apply whatever pressure we can to make them accountable for their words.
The Trust was/is tilted and burned their bridges long ago. But we, as a forum, now have a voice and a line of communication with ownership. Rather than quibble about the validity of the latest stadium ‘project’, let’s use our collective voice to let SISU know that we will need to see what tangible progress they are (or aren’t) making.
SISU have put themselves at the plate. This time we need to apply whatever pressure we can to make them accountable for their words.
Liquid Gold
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Look a man with a touched nerve.
covcity4life
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THIS is my worry. I am not sure they will allow a Warwick stadium to go ahead
usskyblue
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I get it, I really do. The past has left wounds that are difficult to forgive but the only way forward is to move on.
And belief or disbelief in the validity of the latest words actually doesn’t matter...at all.
This time we have a voice and communication avenues with ownership. We have to find ways to use them to either make SISU good on their word, or expose them to every single supporter.
We should ALL be behind that.
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They can't stop it, ultimately. First it needs some plans to object to, however...
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Deleted member 5849
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If SISU don't know that the best way of getting people to believe is to do rather than say, they never will. It doesn't need a polite email for that to be obvious.
Although looking at this board, it seems rinse and repeat is sufficient for many.
covcity4life
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I agree sisu need to show us substantial evidence
But can cov council mess plans up by saying roads not equipped linking to cov etc