Andy Goode (7 Viewers)

[Nick]

This is what I mean about not using the right legal terms. No one is suing wasps right now but the point of the state aid claim is to open up the chance to sue in future.

Put aside pedantry about terms for a minute, the overarching issue here is Sisu want to try and reverse the sale of the lease to Wasps and Wasps don’t want that, can we agree on that?

Whether that is done by suing Wasps directly, complaining about the council, or some other route, is irrelevant. It’s the general principle. You can’t just say “I won’t do anything against Wasps” and leave a massive loophole where you can achieve the same thing by attacking someone else. That’s the issue. The club don’t want to relinquish those rights and Wasps do.

So when you say “aha! It’s not a legal process iamverysmart!” You’re missing the point entirely. When you say “aha!The state aid complaint can’t be withdrawn iamverysmart!” You’re missing the point entirely.

What Wasps are asking for (and again I should make it clear I’m not making a value judgement about that request just tying to get the facts clear) is a wide ranging promise that Sisu won’t try anything, legal or not, directly against Wasps or not, that would result in the Ricoh sale being reversed. Then Wasps can go to lenders and say “That whole thing is cool guys, I’m not a risk”.

Ive got to say, this whole conversation would go a lot smoother if you could stop trying to be clever and snarky and just state clearly what you think the situation is and your reasoning for it.

Yes, the legal terms are purposely being said incorrectly to push a viewpoint. They have been for months by Wasps so the "the landlords are being sued" crap can be pushed.

WASPS ARE NOT BEING SUED
THINGS ARE ONLY REVERSED IF CCC ARE IN THE WRONG

Look at his massive, fuck off contradiction. It is you being pedantic for a change.

It is not about being clever, it is seemingly you trying to be clever. You still haven't said what I have said to him that's factually incorrect.

You are trying too hard, as is he.

 

---

[shmmeee]

Have I missed it before, or is this a new suggestion, ie that the indemnity is just to allow Wasps to stay at the Ricoh, and not to compensate them financially for any losses that result from an adverse EU finding. Why would SISU agree to either when their argument has been consistently that they were shafted by the Council in order that the Council could do Wasps a huge financial favour?

We don’t know the details of the indemnity at all. CCFC seem to besaying “trust me it’s massive and club breaking and entirely unreasonable“ and Wasps seem to be treating it as part of a general request to BTFO from the Ricoh.

It’d be amazing if we could get sight of it through this NDA being dropped. But it’s also amazing if Emma Stone popped by to practice her blow job skills on me, I have about the same expectation of both happening.

 

[Nick]

We don’t know the details of the indemnity at all. CCFC seem to besaying “trust me it’s massive and club breaking and entirely unreasonable“ and Wasps seem to be treating it as part of a general request to BTFO from the Ricoh.

It’d be amazing if we could get sight of it through this NDA being dropped. But it’s also amazing if Emma Stone popped by to practice her blow job skills on me, I have about the same expectation of both happening.

Which is completely irrelevant to Andy Goode making a tit of himself.

It's just aimless, unrelated stuff to try and take another thread off topic. Shock.

"I don't want a fight, I am just going to spout some shit I refuse to backup and don't want to be questioned".

 

[shmmeee]

Yes, the legal terms are purposely being said incorrectly to push a viewpoint. They have been for months by Wasps so the "the landlords are being sued" crap can be pushed.

WASPS ARE NOT BEING SUED
THINGS ARE ONLY REVERSED IF CCC ARE IN THE WRONG

Look at his massive, fuck off contradiction. It is you being pedantic for a change.

It is not about being clever, it is seemingly you trying to be clever. You still haven't said what I have said to him that's factually incorrect.

You are trying too hard, as is he.

Im not trying anything.

Let’s try this; what do you think the current reason for talks breaking down is? What do you think Wasps are asking for?

I’ll be honest, it’s tiring as hell trying to talk to you. It’s always insults and insinuations. Just talk like a normal person for a change. Or frankly I can’t be arsed. I want to work out What’s going on with my club, not engage in Twitter beef.

 

[shmmeee]

Which is completely irrelevant to Andy Goode making a tit of himself.

It's just aimless, unrelated stuff to try and take another thread off topic. Shock.

"I don't want a fight, I am just going to spout some shit I refuse to backup and don't want to be questioned".

OK. That’s enough of you now. I’ve explained already how your lack of reading comprehension makes you angry at things that aren’t there. I’m not doing it again.

Discuss like an adult or on ignore you go.

 

[shmmeee]

Shmmeee propaganda strikes again – yawn

Solid argument. I’m convinced.

This is the shit I get. I’ve not been rude. I’ve explained my reasoning. And this is the level of response. Pathetic TBH.

 

[Nick]

Im not trying anything.

Let’s try this; what do you think the current reason for talks breaking down is? What do you think Wasps are asking for?

I’ll be honest, it’s tiring as hell trying to talk to you. It’s always insults and insinuations. Just talk like a normal person for a change. Or frankly I can’t be arsed. I want to work out What’s going on with my club, not engage in Twitter beef.

Point out what I have said to Andy Goode that is factually incorrect as you have said, rather than trying to take it off topic like you usually do when somebody from Wasps or CCC is made to look a prick.

 

[shmmeee]

Point out what I have said to Andy Goode that is factually incorrect as you have said, rather than trying to take it off topic like you usually do when somebody from Wasps or CCC is made to look a prick.

How on gods green earth is discussing the fucking twitter posts in the OP taking it off topic?

And yet again your reading comprehension fails you. I said talking about these things is missing the point. Not that they’re inaccurate. If I misspoke let me clarify: they’re missing the point.

And I’ve written a lengthy post explaining my reasoningfor saying that and my frustration at how the two sides are talking past each other. If you need help with the big words give me a shout.

 

[mark82]

I don't think the sale can be reversed, but Wasps would be forced to pay back the state aid.

 

[Nick]

OK. That’s enough of you now. I’ve explained already how your lack of reading comprehension makes you angry at things that aren’t there. I’m not doing it again.

Discuss like an adult or on ignore you go.

But the responses you’ve posted are inaccurate.

Explain this, I can read and comprehend perfectly.

I just don't fall for your act every time there is a thread like this.

Yeah, it really is discussing like an adult to threaten being put on "ignore". Are you 12?

 

[Nick]

How on gods green earth is discussing the fucking twitter posts in the OP taking it off topic?

Who is struggling to read and comprehend now?

Explain what I have said that's incorrect, don't try and write essays that say fuck all about "What do Wasps want".

Discuss the actual points in this thread, you won't though. You will just do that thing where you ignore something or try to make things "conspiracy".

 

[Hadji's_Goatee]

Solid argument. I’m convinced.

This is the shit I get. I’ve not been rude. I’ve explained my reasoning. And this is the level of response. Pathetic TBH.

You're a double-speaking antagonist, and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting tired of you saturating these threads with divisive exchanges.

 

[shmmeee]

Explain this, I can read and comprehend perfectly.

I just don't fall for your act every time there is a thread like this.

Yeah, it really is discussing like an adult to threaten being put on "ignore". Are you 12?

What Fucking act???

You absolute mentalist. You aren’t in 24 you fucking loon. We’re just CCFC fans talking with a difference of opinion. No acts. No propaganda. Just a difference of opinion.

Again, I misspoke. They are missing the point. Do you fancy addressing literally anything substantial that I’ve said or just sticking to finding minor word errors and lobbing insults?

 

[CCFC54321]

I think this guy isn’t ticking over right. Not sure if he’s on a wind up as he appears so out of touch it’s embarrassing.

I think he just relays what the local drunk tells him after kicking out time.

 

[Nick]

What Fucking act???

You absolute mentalist. You aren’t in 24 you fucking loon. We’re just CCFC fans talking with a difference of opinion. No acts. No propaganda. Just a difference of opinion.

Again, I misspoke. They are missing the point. Do you fancy addressing literally anything substantial that I’ve said or just sticking to finding minor word errors and lobbing insults?

Again, what have I said to him that is incorrect?

But the responses you’ve posted are inaccurate.

That is not a minor word error.

Are you going to answer or not? As you said, discuss it like an adult.

Who is struggling to read a simple question now? You just act the victim when somebody questions you, shock.

 

[shmmeee]

You're a double-speaking antagonist, and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting tired of you saturating these threads with divisive exchanges.

This post doesn’t even make sense. What threads? The ones about Andy Goode? This is the first one I’ve seen. The ones about the Rixoh? We’ll toughen up buttercup I’m not going to stop arguing my point so you can have a safe space. Argue your point or put me on ignore.

Fucks sake. I literally can’t post anything without five people lobbing insults at me. And never a single post actually addressing what I’m saying.

 

[shmmeee]

Again, what have I said to him that is incorrect?




That is not a minor word error.

Are you going to answer or not? As you said, discuss it like an adult.

Who is struggling to read a simple question now?

IVE FUCKING ANSWERED YOU IN THE POST YOU QUOTE YOU DIPSHIT.

 

[Nick]

IVE FUCKING ANSWERED YOU IN THE POST YOU QUOTE YOU DIPSHIT.

But the responses you’ve posted are inaccurate. I understand what he’s saying, and it’s consistent with the info we have from all parties. The bloke isn’t a lawyer so wouldn’t expect him to get the exact terms right but the general thrust of his argument is correct and people like Knowl are the ones spouting nonsense.

Where?

As I said, point out exactly what I have said that is incorrect. Quote me.

Maybe you should take yourself up on the reading and comprehension offer?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Come on you two

I do think there are some questions about what the indemnity is

I also think Mr Goode has said it was Sisu that broke off the negotiations without warning not wasps and then said we wouldn’t do a deal in any case as sisu are suing wasps

Which is it? They entered the negotiations in good faith or not?

 

[Nick]

This post doesn’t even make sense. What threads? The ones about Andy Goode? This is the first one I’ve seen. The ones about the Rixoh? We’ll toughen up buttercup I’m not going to stop arguing my point so you can have a safe space. Argue your point or put me on ignore.

Fucks sake. I literally can’t post anything without five people lobbing insults at me. And never a single post actually addressing what I’m saying.

There it is, the victim act after you say things and refuse to actually back your shit up.

What point are you actually trying to argue? You are saying a whole lot of shit, nothing relevant to the thread though or to back the things up you are saying.

It's simple, if you don't like being questioned about things. Stop saying things you refuse to backup or prove and then crying that you are a victim and you will put people on ignore. Toughen up buttercup.

 

[shmmeee]

Where?

As I said, point out exactly what I have said that is incorrect. Quote me.

Maybe you should take yourself up on the reading and comprehension offer?

 

[Nick]

Come on you two

I do think there are some questions about what the indemnity is

I also think Mr Goode has said it was Sisu that broke off the negotiations without warning not wasps and then said we wouldn’t do a deal in any case as sisu are suing wasps

Which is it? They entered the negotiations in good faith or not?

There is a thread about the indemnity isn't there?

Fact is, it's making somebody from Wasps look a prick and he doesn't like it. He does the same when it's the council too. Just spouts random, unrelated crap.

 

[Grendel]

IVE FUCKING ANSWERED YOU IN THE POST YOU QUOTE YOU DIPSHIT.

If you agree with Goodes rather poor analogy or not surely his previous boast that CCFC pulled out of an agreed deal while on the other side Wasps would never deal with a litigious company as Sisu is well - rather silly?

 

[Nick]

View attachment 16079

Oh so I wasn't incorrect then? It isn't a minor word error.

What is missing the point? The point is he said "CCFC are suing Wasps". They aren't, it's a fact.

Next one, buttercup? If you want to try and patronise about reading and comprehension I suggest you make sure your own is up to scratch.

 

[Nick]

If you agree with Goodes rather poor analogy or not surely his previous boast that CCFC pulled out of an agreed deal while on the other side Wasps would never deal with a litigious company as Sisu is well - rather silly?

YEAH BUT YOU ARE ALL INCORRECT
STOP PICKING ON ME
MUST NOT LET GOODE LOOK LIKE A DICKHEAD

 

[skyblueinswansea]

so not being a regular on here, can i just confirm is Andy Goode Shmmeeee? apologies if a stupid question just trying to make sense of it all.

 

[shmmeee]

There it is, the victim act after you say things and refuse to actually back your shit up.

What point are you actually trying to argue? You are saying a whole lot of shit, nothing relevant to the thread though or to back the things up you are saying.

It's simple, if you don't like being questioned about things. Stop saying things you refuse to backup or prove and then crying that you are a victim and you will put people on ignore. Toughen up buttercup.

I’m trying to point out how what Andy Goode says is a layman’s way of saying something that’s consistent with the facts as we understand them even if as a non legal person he might not get everything in terms that are exactly correct.

I’m also trying to wind down the more mental elements of this site that see this as some Cold War level shit and not a bunch of people trying their best to understand a confusing situation not designed for sports fans.

I’m also trying to point out that big name fans like Knowl and others are still missing a basic point and perhaps that shows where some of the misunderstandings come from and if we can all agree on the facts we might actually find a way forward rather than fucking picking up on single words and ignoring the main thrust of people’s arguments.

 

[shmmeee]

There is a thread about the indemnity isn't there?

Fact is, it's making somebody from Wasps look a prick and he doesn't like it. He does the same when it's the council too. Just spouts random, unrelated crap.

It’s not unrelated it’s the point of the thread! I don’t even fucking know who Andy Goode was until I clicked on this thread!

Jesus H Christ you people are literally insane.

 

[covcity4life]

Can't be assed to read all the thread

From what i can gather shmeee is Andy Goode?

 

[Liquid Gold]

your lack of reading comprehension

Discuss like an adult

YOU DIPSHIT

You absolute mentalist. You aren’t in 24 you fucking loon

you people are literally insane

This is the shit I get. I’ve not been rude. I’ve explained my reasoning. And this is the level of response. Pathetic TBH.

You're a fucking hypocrite. You give out more abuse than most but think you're some fucking saint. Pull the other one mate.

 

[shmmeee]

Can't be assed to read all the thread

From what i can gather shmeee is Andy Goode?

yes.

I am Andy Goode.

BRB off to chase an egg.

 

[shmmeee]

You're a fucking hypocrite. You give out more abuse than most but think you're some fucking saint. Pull the other one mate.

Yes. I give what I get. Want to post the abuse I’ve given Pete. Or Mark. Or RobbieKeane. Or anyone else that addresses what I say and doesn’t move straight to screeching at the sight of my username?

 

[Nick]

I’m trying to point out how what Andy Goode says is a layman’s way of saying something that’s consistent with the facts as we understand them even if as a non legal person he might not get everything in terms that are exactly correct.

I’m also trying to wind down the more mental elements of this site that see this as some Cold War level shit and not a bunch of people trying their best to understand a confusing situation not designed for sports fans.

I’m also trying to point out that big name fans like Knowl and others are still missing a basic point and perhaps that shows where some of the misunderstandings come from and if we can all agree on the facts we might actually find a way forward rather than fucking picking up on single words and ignoring the main thrust of people’s arguments.

No, what Andy Goode has done is contradict himself. What he has done is also bullshit about Wasps being sued, when they aren't.

The misunderstandings from people like Andy Goode are intentional, which is why when he is questioned about them he shits himself. You seem to lose your head about that though.

Was he just using incorrect terms when he was commenting on about it being made up there was an issue with their accounts too?

If you struggle to read things that are actually said or you feel you are victimised by people questioning you and forcing you to backtrack, maybe sit it out.

 

[usskyblue]

The shit magician’s back then?

 

[clint van damme]

Im not trying anything.

Let’s try this; what do you think the current reason for talks breaking down is? What do you think Wasps are asking for?

I’ll be honest, it’s tiring as hell trying to talk to you. It’s always insults and insinuations. Just talk like a normal person for a change. Or frankly I can’t be arsed. I want to work out What’s going on with my club, not engage in Twitter beef.

I have no idea, but if I try to explain, use incorrect terminology or make false statements or assert things I can't back up you'd pull me up on it.
That's exactly what people are doing with Andy Goode. Difference is I wouldn't try to present my self as an expert on the situation but he tries to so he's there to be shot at.

Plus he follows Tucker Carslon and Wayne Lineker on Twitter so he's definitely for watching!