HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I don’t mind Sheffield Wednesday but let’s not pretend they’d sympathise if it was us. If that’s the reason we stay up next season then We’ll take it - better them than us
Sheffield Wednesday points deduction (5 Viewers)
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Nah - every little helps. Our budget is the lowest, this levels the playing field a bit
ccfcway
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Not sure what you mean. Winning or losing in court is getting as important as on the field results these days .
larry_david
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Staying up is all that matters agree, but if 2 teams start on - 12 and we stay up by default, won't feel great. In fact prob feel like winning league 1 by default.
pipkin73
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Winning league 1 by "default" feels great.
Frostie
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Good job we won it on merit then.
Terry_dactyl
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Think you might be on your own...we’re gonna need all the help we get!
bawtryneal
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They will not appeal. They are pleased it's only 12 points. It could have been a lot more. Blatant abuse of accounting practice to attempt to beat FFP rules.
Derby, Forest and Reading could all have the same punishment.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Is it any more fair to be competing against clubs that pull shenanigans selling their ground to gamble more money they otherwise wouldn't be able to spend? If anything there should be a raft of other point deductions for clubs that have taken the piss with this in recent years. Including those who got away with it by getting promoted but since came back down.
bawtryneal
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Break the rules and cheat and face the consequences. Why should we feel sorry or feel our situation is by default. The rules are there to help provide some form of level playing field.
larry_david
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I just want the pure, real emotion from footy back. Championship every win will be incredible. What I don't want is half the teams playing games out because 3 teams are all on - 12. Although I'm also being naive there's every chance - 12 teams will catch us. Staying in the Championship season 1 is everything but I wouldn't fancy seeing Barnsley type celebrations knowing they stayed up because of Wigan dodgy owners
shmmeee
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Yeah, agreed to a point and I’d have liked to win L1 properly as well. Doesn’t stop me being ecstatic when it happened though. Rules of the league are rules of the league. As others have said, we’ve paid the price before and took it on the chin.
Legia Sky Blue
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If teams seek to cheat the rules in order to gain a competitive advantage they deserve to be punished. By cheating they are ensuring there isn't a level playing field to start with, and not taking this action would encourage others to follow suit, demeaning the competition even further.
Kind of with you here
But more from the point of doing enough ourselves where others penalties don't come into play
Plus Wednesday may use 'a percieved injustice' as motivation and kick on .
Much like Pressley did with us .
steve cooper
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Our points deductions were basically caused by our owners being twats, I don't remember any true supporter condoning what went on, in fact the opposite
Houchens Head
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Why are people saying these deductions are "going to help us" etc? They won't bother us because we will be so high up the league anyway! We are going to storm the Championship! Have faith! 
Sky Blue Harry H
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Had a look at The Wednesday forum - they're remarkably sanguine about it. They seem to think their owner/club deserved it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Refreshing to see
Grendel
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The only issue I guess is timing and the apparent contradiction with Wigan. If we were in Charltons shoes would be be happy - no
robbiethemole
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Exactly, and how many fans from other teams were showing any sympathy for us? not a single fucking one . So forgive me in not giving a single fuck about other teams getting caught like we did,and I know it's not not admin related but they cheated so pay the price.
bawtryneal
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I expect SWFC and the EFL mutually agreed to delay the points deduction until next season on the understanding SWFC do not appeal. I expect the EFL will argue to CAFC that there is not enough time to change the outcome with the new fixture lists coming out in 2 weeks time and will "hide" behind the Covid delays argument.
bawtryneal
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So if you were a Barnsley fan would you like to see your team relegated instead of Wigan.
Do you feel sorry for somebody who commits a crime and gets fined or goes to prison. What is the difference ??
larry_david
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If I were a Barnsley fan I'd be delighted to stay up considering they should be gone.
Woodingdean_Sky_Blue
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I agree. I'd rather we stay up on merit... and if we can't that's our own fault. It's hardly the Corinthian spirit to rely on the misfortune of others.
Legia Sky Blue
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It's not exactly the Corinthian spirit to spend more money than your rivals, and to buy better players, when you haven't got the money to do so. It is grossly unfair instead to penalise clubs who have been financially responsible. Both Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday have cheated and deserve to be punished, and although it suits our purposes for Wednesday to start next season with a points deduction, it would have been fairer to implement it in the season just gone, given it materially affected the relegation positions.
But how else can football authorities punish these clubs who deliberately flout the rules, there has to be deterrent or clubs will just run amok to get into the PL promised land. Perhaps a ban from the transfer market for a couple of years could be one punishment perhaps.
Woodingdean_Sky_Blue
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I agree that there need to be repercussions for breaking the rules, I just wonder if there might be better options than point deductions.
I think point deductions damage the overall spectacle of the season. Point deductions also hurt the supporters... and I think it is those who overspent who need to be punished, not Joe Soap.
I don't know what the ideal solution is. Perhaps there should be some mechanism that picks up on overspending much earlier (this will limit the potential impact). Maybe owners who overspend should be automatically classed as not being fit and proper owners (meaning they would have to sell the club). Perhaps the overspending club should be forced into a 'fire sales' of players (these will hit the owner in the pocket). Maybe a massive fine is enough.
Woodingdean_Sky_Blue
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I think a transfer ban for two or three seasons would be highly effective.
Make it so purchases and sales are banned and players are still free to walk away at the end of their contract.
I think most owners would be terrified of this. But does it punish the fans too much?
Woodingdean_Sky_Blue
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Don't we know it.
Legia Sky Blue
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As long as our clubs still exist I don't really buy into the punishing the fans angle of this argument. Fans are punished anyway when their teams don't play well and get relegated, its just the natural order of things, and is part of the pitfalls of supporting a football team. I would definitely agree that last season Bury fans were overly punished, but not so much Bolton, whose fans saw their team relegated. They still had their team to support, and their immediate pain is likely to be only temporary. Their fans had previously witnessed a long spell in the Premier watching the likes of Okocha, Djorkaeff and Anelka play for them, who they couldn't really afford, and which put them in a false position. Their fans undoubtedly rode that wave, just as Portsmouth had done before them, and would probably not wish to swap their memories of those days in order to prevent their current predicament. Now they have hit League 2, they will look to consolidate and move forward again as ourselves and Portsmouth have done, and which then creates new memories in itself. Eventually they will get back to being a top half League 1/ bottom half Championship team, which is probably their rightful place, and with some luck they might even do better.
tisza
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I don't mind Wednesday but I think they've got off lucky with 12 points.
It's a manipulation of the FFP and these clubs had been getting away with it.
Still a nonsense system allows clubs to lose 39 million over a 3 year period.
Derby's looks even more blatant and there's others.
Was a report that up to 8 Championship clubs needed the transfer window to open by June in order to sell players to balance the books or face penalties
It's a manipulation of the FFP and these clubs had been getting away with it.
Still a nonsense system allows clubs to lose 39 million over a 3 year period.
Derby's looks even more blatant and there's others.
Was a report that up to 8 Championship clubs needed the transfer window to open by June in order to sell players to balance the books or face penalties
Mucca Mad Boys
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Did you see the Barnsley celebrations after they survived because of Wigan’s -12 point deduction?
If we survived due to something similar, I’d be just as happy as they were.
Terry Gibson's perm
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It honestly wouldn’t bother me if every other team in our league got deducted fifty points, promotion by default is still promotion the record books would just show that we went up.