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[fernandopartridge]

Appearances at lower league doesn’t equate to better than top prospect at a premier league club and England set up.

At 18 Jones had made more league appearances than Bellingham has - doesn’t mean he’s better

HA HA HA, the comparison you made was about today, not their potential years ago. Allasani was released by Palace before he had an injury. He might have fleetingly been a prospect at 16 but that's it. Jones on the other hand as stated above was playing league football at 17.

 

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

HA HA HA, the comparison you made was about today, not their potential years ago. Allasani was released by Palace before he had an injury. He might have fleetingly been a prospect at 16 but that's it. Jones on the other hand as stated above was playing league football at 17.

My quote was
“ The best comparison is Reiss Allasani. Had all the talent at palace, one big injury later he’s dropped to Dulwich Hamlet. ”

That suggests that I was saying that one big injury could in fact be the one thing that stops you making it.

He did have all talent, top prospect etc, then he had a big injury and is now non league.

And league football at 17 - he was playing at a cash strapped side at the bottom of league 2

 

[Grendel]

HA HA HA, the comparison you made was about today, not their potential years ago. Allasani was released by Palace before he had an injury. He might have fleetingly been a prospect at 16 but that's it. Jones on the other hand as stated above was playing league football at 17.

Adam Barton was seen as a huge prospect before his back injury wasn’t he? In the end he was dire. Even Savage was in the Man U youth team it means nothing in the end

 

[fernandopartridge]

My quote was
“ The best comparison is Reiss Allasani. Had all the talent at palace, one big injury later he’s dropped to Dulwich Hamlet. ”

That suggests that I was saying that one big injury could in fact be the one thing that stops you making it.

He did have all talent, top prospect etc, then he had a big injury and is now non league.

And league football at 17 - he was playing at a cash strapped side at the bottom of league 2

Christ. Once again, Palace released Allasani before the big injury, it is completely false to state that the big injury is why he didn't make it, clearly Palace didn't rate his prospects.

The club's financial status does not have any affect on the standard of the league they're competing in.

This is my last post on the subject now.

 

[better days]

There was a done deal to sell Jones to Leeds when he was 20
The injury scuppered it
Leeds have the same recruitment team now as they had then so you assume you know what they're doing as they are now a Premier League team
Fingers crossed the lad can now have a long run free of injury and shows what he can do at Championship level

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Allassani hadnt even played league football until 22 - Jones was a regular at 18

Allassani came through the ranks at Premier League Crystal Palace and played for England at schoolboy levels before illness and injuries prevented him breaking through or even getting games on loan. He had glandular fever which knocks the hell out of people in general, let alone those trying to become professional sportsmen.

Jones came through at League 2 Dagenham after failing to impress either Arsenal or West Ham. And in his first season as a first team regular Dagenham got relegated to non-league (although we had him on loan for the past few months but their fate looked pretty certain by then anyway)

I think you can see a fair few reasons why there's differences between them.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Adam Barton was seen as a huge prospect before his back injury wasn’t he? In the end he was dire. Even Savage was in the Man U youth team it means nothing in the end

Could be wrong but think it was a triple leg break wasn't it? I'm sure I remember reading people say it was one of the most horrendous breaks in football.

 

[Grendel]

Allassani came through the ranks at Premier League Crystal Palace and played for England at schoolboy levels before illness and injuries prevented him breaking through or even getting games on loan. He had glandular fever which knocks the hell out of people in general, let alone those trying to become professional sportsmen.

Jones came through at League 2 Dagenham after failing to impress either Arsenal or West Ham. And in his first season as a first team regular Dagenham got relegated to non-league (although we had him on loan for the past few months but their fate looked pretty certain by then anyway)

I think you can see a fair few reasons why there's differences between them.

Marcus hall was captain of England under 21 and a regular premier league player at 19

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Marcus hall was captain of England under 21 and a regular premier league player at 19

So how does that support your argument of pointing out Allassani hadn't played a league game by 22 but Jones was a regular at 18?

 

[Grendel]

So how does that support your argument of pointing out Allassani hadn't played a league game by 22 but Jones was a regular at 18?

It proves that someone whose better than an England schoolboy international in terms of credibility at 19 isn’t going to be a sensation. Keep digging.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It proves that someone whose better than an England schoolboy international in terms of credibility at 19 isn’t going to be a sensation. Keep digging.

It also proves that someone playing regularly as a teenager won't necessarily end up being great.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It also proves that someone playing regularly as a teenager won't necessarily end up being great.

Jones is at a Championship club. Where is Allasani?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Jones is at a Championship club. Where is Allasani?

So? How many Championship games has he played? Two seasons he's played a decent amount of games he got relegated both times from L2 and L1. At best he's unproven.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Doesn’t half feel like some of our fans want Jones to fail so they can tell us all they told us so

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Doesn’t half feel like some of our fans want Jones to fail so they can tell us all they told us so

And I would like him to succeed because he is a quality player who has improved us as a team this season. Oh and I would like him to succeed so I can say I told them so.

 

[Cobi Jones's Dreads]

Jones is at a Championship club. Where is Allasani?

Still training with us from the clips I've seen online, guess we are doing him a favour to keep fit to find a new club.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Doesn’t half feel like some of our fans want Jones to fail so they can tell us all they told us so

Nobody wants him to fail. The guy who posted on twitter doesn’t want him to fail.

The question is whether we think he will succeed. Ultimately he has 1 year on his contract.

The likelyhood is he won’t be here next season. If he doesn’t get over his injury for consistent performances, we’ll release him. If he’s good - he’ll sign for a bigger club

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Nobody wants him to fail. The guy who posted on twitter doesn’t want him to fail.

I disagree. His response to the goal in a pre-season friendly was all 'It's just a preseason game, come back to me in 12 months when he's done it in the league.' - If he didn't want him to fail he could easily have just gone with 'Great goal, I'm really happy for him, let's hope he continues.' His immediate response was to turn back to negativity.

 

[cc84cov]

I do hope we are not comparing Jones to Allesanni here

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I do hope we are not comparing Jones to Allesanni here

Well, I suppose we could chat great pre-season goals, and what happened afterwards

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I disagree. His response to the goal in a pre-season friendly was all 'It's just a preseason game, come back to me in 12 months when he's done it in the league.' - If he didn't want him to fail he could easily have just gone with 'Great goal, I'm really happy for him, let's hope he continues.' His immediate response was to turn back to negativity.

He was right though, everyone made out that Jones has already proven him wrong. He’ll only be proven wrong when Jones is consistently performing in the championship.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

It is laughable on the basis that Jones as it stands has played league football for 5 years at this point and made over 100 appearances despite being injured for most of the last 2.5 getting on for 3 years.

I think you're missing the primary point of the post. I don't believe HDW was making reference to how good each other are as it stands. I think his point was more centred around the all too frequent occurrence of young bright talents having their careers hindered due to injury woes - and that this could still well happen to Jones as how he fares this season is entirely speculative. (Hopefully not though).

It may not have been the best comparison admittedly but I still don't think it qualifies as laughable, as it's not totally ridiculous to suggest that Jones' and Allassani's careers could end up mirroring each other. The beginning of their careers showed that both players were packed with promise and equally, both could well be forced to drop down the football pyramid as a result of their injury troubles (again depending on how Jones fares). Obviously hoping this doesn't happen with Jones but you simply cannot rule it out as a possibility yet. The whole discussion is entirely hypothetical anyway. Plus it's futile as I personally think Jones could actually surprise a few this season.

 

[better days]

Still training with us from the clips I've seen online, guess we are doing him a favour to keep fit to find a new club.

There's an agreement with the PFA that an injured player stays with a club for treatment until he's recovered even if his contract has expired

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Doesn’t half feel like some of our fans want Jones to fail so they can tell us all they told us so

I want him to be successful. If he is likelihood is we'll do well.

It just seems that people are determined to make him out as a shoe-in to be effective in the Championship based on a good couple of months at the start of the L2 season before his injuries.

He's hardly played since, has had two major knee injuries which for a winger/tricky player that is likely to be targeted by opposition defenders is a worry and he's now going to be playing two levels higher than when he had that fantastic spell.

There's no guarantee he'll take the Championship by storm. He MIGHT, but it's not something that can be assumed by any means. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I want him to be successful. If he is likelihood is we'll do well.

It just seems that people are determined to make him out as a shoe-in to be effective in the Championship based on a good couple of months at the start of the L2 season before his injuries.

He's hardly played since, has had two major knee injuries which for a winger/tricky player that is likely to be targeted by opposition defenders is a worry and he's now going to be playing two levels higher than when he had that fantastic spell.

There's no guarantee he'll take the Championship by storm. He MIGHT, but it's not something that can be assumed by any means. We'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah, I understand that. Personally I think he’ll struggle to make the step up after so long out, but I really hope he does. I’m more talking about the sneering manner in which some seem to speak about him which really give you the sense that they’re waiting for him to fail.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yeah, I understand that. Personally I think he’ll struggle to make the step up after so long out, but I really hope he does. I’m more talking about the sneering manner in which some seem to speak about him which really give you the sense that they’re waiting for him to fail.

There is an element of that at times. Like with that tweet it wasn't so much the questioning of whether Jones was good enough, as a lot of this board is about giving opinions on player ability, it was more the tone in which it was written which came across as quite nasty.

 

[mark82]

This place is an absolute cess pit. People accusing me of making fake twitter accounts to tweet about JJ madness .
For what it’s worth I thought the reply from the admin was class...and the abuse I’ve got on twitter or here doesn’t bother me in the slightest, not everyone in life are going to like you are they? Is what it is.

David O’Day - give me a shout on Facebook or twitter mate seen you said we worked together?

I won’t be responding to anything else on here as I only made an account to comment on this a couple of days ago.

take care lads, all the best #PUSB

If you think this place is a cess pit (sic), you should see Twitter.

 

[Evo1883]

Had no idea Tony Montana aka Jack hickman had signed for bolton lol... Good luck to him that's some turnaround in what... A year

 

[larry_david]

He'll prob go onto bigger and better things as well. Always had hopes for him until that moment

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He'll prob go onto bigger and better things as well. Always had hopes for him until that moment

Somewhat ironic that we actually need a RB/RWB right now too.

 

[larry_david]

Somewhat ironic that we actually need a RB/RWB right now too.

Yep. Could have been in with a shout but we'll see. If he storms league 2 and moves up the ladder, fair play. I think we've progressed to a higher level now. Haven't seen Rowe play but heard good things last season until he got a long term injury.

 

[cooperskyblue]

Nobody wants him to fail. The guy who posted on twitter doesn’t want him to fail.

The question is whether we think he will succeed. Ultimately he has 1 year on his contract.

The likelyhood is he won’t be here next season. If he doesn’t get over his injury for consistent performances, we’ll release him. If he’s good - he’ll sign for a bigger club

I disagree I think he will be here next year, if he plays well up to Christmas I would be flabbergasted if we didn't sign him to a longer 2 year deal or something.
The club showed loyalty to him by giving him this year after 2 injuries and I think Jodi would want to stay given the opportunity to sign a longer deal.

 

[cc84cov]

I disagree I think he will be here next year, if he plays well up to Christmas I would be flabbergasted if we didn't sign him to a longer 2 year deal or something.
The club showed loyalty to him by giving him this year after 2 injuries and I think Jodi would want to stay given the opportunity to sign a longer deal.

Agree with this

 

[DavidMCov92]

Hello,
I take no enjoyment whatsoever in the injury and my thoughts and prayers are with Jodi but I’m just back for my apologies.

Thanks.

 

[mark82]

Hello,
I take no enjoyment whatsoever in the injury and my thoughts and prayers are with Jodi but I’m just back for my apologies.

Thanks.

Really?