The Chinaman Has Not Disappeared (5 Viewers)

[smouch1975]

SISU will not come out of CCFC financially worse off. There will be great pain and many pieces to pick up afterwards. But they will have their pound of flesh

SISU out

 

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[Sky]

I have now finally stopped believing in Hoffman... After 12 months of him first claiming he wanted to buy the club what has he got to show for it? A £1 bid.. Around 4-5 championship clubs have been taken over recently, basically out of the blue. Sorry to say it lads but SISU are going to be here for a long.... Long. Time

 

[skybluebeduff]

I heard from a credible source ( ccfc fan 35 years, STH 20 years) that a credible source in the loop on a forum found through google if you type in "skybluetalk" thinks a china man may want to buy a team called CCFC ( singers fc originally and season ticket holder since 1883) but also Administration maybe upon us by another credible source who plays golf, again that's upto you to believe it or not.... :wave:

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

What a pointless thread started by theprince. Everything you say are possibilities which we already know. Let us know some real tangible events that will happen...

Stop trying to pretend you know someone who knows someone.

Hoffman hasn't said he is buying the club right now or said anything, so in my eyes he has done nothing wrong and just take no takeover is happening.

If he comes out on day and says I am trying to arrange a takeover then let's talk about it.

For now it is SISU I am afraid.

 

[theprince]

Hoffman isn't buying the club, never was.

I doubt if you will hear from him again until business is done or not done. Remember though it's a buyers market, especially in our case.

In Hoffman I Trust

 

[Grendel]

I trust we should stop giving "the prince" the attention he clearly craves. His "scoops" are straight from the local rag and about a year out of date.
Next he will be telling us Kennedy was assisinated.

 

[mexico88]

I dont believe or dis-believe but obviously discussions have happened in the past and Sisu have been unrealistic in their expectations of value. Just look at the derisory offer they made the Higgs charity. so from a business point of view i wouldn't be showing my hand and would wait for sisu to slit their own throats and then pick the club up for a realistic price.
There is no point people on here screaming where are you hoffman because your just being muppets and not in touch with the business world.

How do you know it was dirisory?

How do you know sisu have been un-realistic in their expectations?

How do you get in touch with the business world? Is it by phone or email?

 

[theprince]

Funny how someone posting positives about Hoffman's plans is attention seeking and others ridiculing him are the wiseguys.

The last thing on this. SISU are a busted flush, no assetts except the odd player, no income except match tickets, can't liquidate like people say not in their interests to go into administration. I hope Hoffman & Co bleed the bastards dry.

In Hoffman I Trust

 

[Colonel Mustard]

At the end of the day, nobody knows what SISUs real intentions were when they purchased the club. They were never going to come in and say were a hedge fund we will asset strip, flog anything of value, and be general twats. They may have planned all this, they are a hedge fund. They buy sinking ships, break it up, and sell it on.

Charming rant, but complicated somewhat by the fact that SISU bought and/or provided the wages for Coleman, Dann, Fox, Gunnarsson, Westwood, Eastwood, Morrison, McPake and Bell in their first six months of ownership. It doesn't look like they set out with an "asset-stripping" strategy to me.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

Regarding Hoffman, if he's even put in an hours work to try and save my club then he's alright by me, and i'll give him the respect he deserves if he has put in any work.
Wether he in the end succeeds or if he fails surely we should give him some sort of appreciation for his efforts.

regarding this phantom Chinaman , i just don't know what or who to believe. If i knew this prince poster, or anyone else supposedly in the know, for many years and i thought i could trust him, then yes i would believe him, but we know FA about him or the circles he moves in. Without this we are just faceless supporters of the same cause.

For this reason i will remain with a slight smile on my face and dream one day this mess will go away forever.

The Rev

 

[Colonel Mustard]

People are very angry at Hoffman for not having done a deal yet - but he's the only person out there trying.

Personally he's the only hope we have. We've sunk so low under SISU and it'll only get worse.

Hit them where it hurts guys - in the pocket. Get them out.

You accept that Hoffman is the only one out there trying, yet you want to kick out SISU without the certainty of a new owner ready to step in? Do you really want to gamble with the future of the club in such a way?

 

[ccfcway]

Surely hoffman won't be able to keep his mouth shut at the pre season game ?

 

[torchomatic]

So we're not going to hear from him until business is ''not done''. A bit like the last 12 monthzzzz then?

Hoffman isn't buying the club, never was.

I doubt if you will hear from him again until business is done or not done. Remember though it's a buyers market, especially in our case.

In Hoffman I Trust

 

[theprince]

You accept that Hoffman is the only one out there trying, yet you want to kick out SISU without the certainty of a new owner ready to step in? Do you really want to gamble with the future of the club in such a way?

Can't believe that statement, i won't be kicking SISU out they will get out themselves. As for our future do really believe our owners have that in mind, they will do what they want, when they want and not give a flying frig about any future we may or may not have.

 

[Grendel]

So we're not going to hear from him until business is ''not done''. A bit like the last 12 monthzzzz then?

Don't worry in 6 weeks time "the prince" will start another thread saying "it's happening" or "wait and see". I'm waiting for when Sisu eventual sell to a South American consortium so we can here those words "told you so".

In prince we trust to tell us nothing we didn't already know.

 

[DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe]

He's fallen out with SISU again, don't hold your breath. The Chinese are not the only consortium, there is another foreign group.

 

[torchomatic]

Kraftwerk or ABBA hopefully.

there is another foreign group.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Like this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Hogg

It's not so much a delivery in his repertoire as a style, like Slow Left Arm, Leg Break, Off Break etc.

Can we change this to Warwickshire Bears Talk? We'd have a decent club to follow then! One that pays the bills, too..

Youuuuuuuu Bears!

 

[Otis]

I don't trust in Hoffman. I don't distrust the bloke either.

I just see him as City fan with contacts and a business nous who's trying to encourage people to invest and/or buy the club.

I don't think anyone can doubt he is working hard to talk to and convince people, but that's about it. This has never been about Hoffman in the cold light of day. He is just the go-between here. No reason to trust in him or indeed distrust him. It's not down to him. He's just the conduit.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Can't believe that statement, i won't be kicking SISU out they will get out themselves. As for our future do really believe our owners have that in mind, they will do what they want, when they want and not give a flying frig about any future we may or may not have.

I'm not sure how to respond to that hysteria. I will say this: yes, SISU will leave when they want to, but it is bizarre that fans are attempting to hasten that by breaking the club's finances through boycott. There are very few philanthropists out there; the club was hard enough to sell in 2007 when we were in the Championship, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect a better outcome with a poorer product.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Charming rant, but complicated somewhat by the fact that SISU bought and/or provided the wages for Coleman, Dann, Fox, Gunnarsson, Westwood, Eastwood, Morrison, McPake and Bell in their first six months of ownership. It doesn't look like they set out with an "asset-stripping" strategy to me.

Charming put down, but really, how about now?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I'm not sure how to respond to that hysteria. I will say this: yes, SISU will leave when they want to, but it is bizarre that fans are attempting to hasten that by breaking the club's finances through boycott. There are very few philanthropists out there; the club was hard enough to sell in 2007 when we were in the Championship, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect a better outcome with a poorer product.

Well maybe bizarre if you are a SISU fan-boy, yes...

 

[Grendel]

Kraftwerk or ABBA hopefully.

More likely to be Skid Row

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Kraftwerk or ABBA hopefully.

Are we going into Europe, then? But how will we get there? Prehaps on the Trans Europe Express?

Nah, we'd have to go the Tour De France route under SISU and just bicycle there!

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Charming put down, but really, how about now?

Now it looks like a business attempting to balance the books.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Well maybe bizarre if you are a SISU fan-boy, yes...

Lame non-argument.

 

[torchomatic]

NLHWC, I'm up for the 14th, you've convinced me.

 

[Skyblue4u]

Have people forgot the Football League Fair Financial Play rules come into force this season so even with a new wealthy owner we can hardly splash the cash on players. Our only hope is the new interest will bring the fans back to enable us spend by making money.


I'm afraid Sisu has already missed the bus and sealed our fate in the lower leagues for some time to come.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html

 

[gally9]

Hes long long gone..

 

[Otis]

Now it looks like a business attempting to balance the books.

Hmmm. Football is like no other business. Would you envisage a Sainsbury's supermarket moving into a smaller premises and selling less stock?

Just don't accept this balancing the books argument here.

Sisu have allowed us to be relegated. They pretty much as near as condemned us to relegation from the very first day of the season. How the hell do they expect to balance the books by getting less revenue in from gate receipts (smaller attendances and in many instances much, mush smaller away followings) and the fact that the rent rate remains exactly the same?

We still have to pay the same rent with less money coming in.

I'm all for prudence and have supported Sisu in selling players and cutting wages, but they have gone too far ... far too far.

You sell your top striker and the sensible thing to do would be to sell him for say £700,000, use £500,000-£600,000 to help the financial burden and bring 2 players in with the £100,000- £200,000 left.

It's not sensible to sell you top striker and bring no-one in as a replacement.

Sainsbury's sell less products and they will have less customers coming through their doors and it is not even the case that City can move to a smaller premises is it!

 

[Skybluedar]

We need someone to save us, badly.

 

[Otis]

No! Surely we need someone to save us well. The last thing we need is to be saved badly!

 

[Sky Blues]

That's what Sisu did.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Hmmm. Football is like no other business. Would you envisage a Sainsbury's supermarket moving into a smaller premises and selling less stock? Just don't accept this balancing the books argument here.

An important distinction needs to be made here. I did not air an opinion on SISU's current strategy - I only said that it looks like they are trying to run a balanced business rather than outright asset-stripping.

 

[Otis]

Yep. saw that.

I have always backed any sale of assets (players) we have When you are losing money as we are, if an offer comes in for Keogh or Juke or whoever we have to consider it and more than likely accept that offer. Just got to be sensible though. If we can sell Keogh for £500,000 and have £100,000 of that to bring in a replacement then I would accept that readily.

Do get pee'd off though when we sell a player and then don't replace them at all. That happens again this season and League 2 surely awaits.