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Brighton Sky Blue

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djr8369 said:
Your points are well and good but you have to realise half the country think anyone remotely left is a commie. I like Bernie but think he would have got mauled.
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I would encourage you to watch the above, they're both eye openers. If they call Biden a raging commie, it doesn't really matter who you put up as the Democrat. You may as well pick a left wing economic populist to tell people he'll give them healthcare, higher wages, local investment and all the marijuana they can smoke.
 
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wingy

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The power is not with the poeple anymore.
Not since the 80's.
Bank's and huge corporates to utilities, commercial contracts we enter into for social, entertainment ,tech, transport,furnishings and goods ,they bully society and frustrate,delay when you try to wield your purchasing power or complain .
We're an open goal without rights in spite of watchdogs etc .
They couldn't do that to you when cash was king.
They'd have to compete to get the money from your pocket.
Now they have the security of the 18,25month,3-5 yr finance deals, travel card's, oyster ect etc.
You're fixed in and fodder to debt.
 
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SBT

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You do realise the consensus among voters was that they preferred Bernie on the policy (and loads of exit polls back that up) but they thought Biden was more likely to beat Trump. ‘Not Trump’ was also the dominant reason given for supporting him in this election.

Pete didn’t win Iowa and polled at nearly 0 with black voters. It was all about not having a progressive nominee and in a split field Bernie was on course to win.
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So remind me again why he’s an “appalling candidate” if Democratic voters overwhelmingly backed him to be more likely to win an election than Sanders?
 
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Evo1883

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Am I losing my marbles or has trump gained about 50 million twitter followers in a couple days?

Sure he had 30 odd million
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SBT said:
So remind me again why he’s an “appalling candidate” if Democratic voters overwhelmingly backed him to be more likely to win an election than Sanders?
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We could be hear all night if I answered that now, I’ll do it tomorrow. As a taster though:

Demographic split-hardly anyone voting in the primary under 45 was into Biden. Support coming heavily from boomers who take their news from traditional media which is saturated with ‘Biden is more electable’ but no evidence for it. To reiterate, the voters preferred Bernie’s policies. The older ones believed the narrative that he wasn’t as electable and as their turnout is always strong and every candidate had given him their backing the opponent had no chance.

Opposition to giving people healthcare, decriminalising drugs, a higher minimum wage, pulling out of wars etc etc

Being in obvious and painful cognitive decline to the point Obama privately advised him not to run last year

A longer term record of bragging about wanting to cut the social safety net.

Voting for the Iraq war

Guess that ended up longer than I planned, I could keep going for a while. The guy is a 1980s or 90s Republican with a D next to his name. Without all the co-ordinated dropouts he’d have ended up coming 4th or 5th and fading into obscurity.
 
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SBT

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
We could be hear all night if I answered that now, I’ll do it tomorrow. As a taster though:

Demographic split-hardly anyone voting in the primary under 45 was into Biden. Support coming heavily from boomers who take their news from traditional media which is saturated with ‘Biden is more electable’ but no evidence for it. To reiterate, the voters preferred Bernie’s policies. The older ones believed the narrative that he wasn’t as electable and as their turnout is always strong and every candidate had given him their backing the opponent had no chance.

Opposition to giving people healthcare, decriminalising drugs, a higher minimum wage, pulling out of wars etc etc

Being in obvious and painful cognitive decline to the point Obama privately advised him not to run last year

A longer term record of bragging about wanting to cut the social safety net.

Voting for the Iraq war

Guess that ended up longer than I planned, I could keep going for a while. The guy is a 1980s or 90s Republican with a D next to his name. Without all the co-ordinated dropouts he’d have ended up coming 4th or 5th and fading into obscurity.
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I mean....I get it. I don’t even disagree with most of it. But all that notwithstanding - he still beat Bernie. He’s still beating Trump. There’s no big conspiracy here - it’s just what people voted for. To argue that he’s not your favourite candidate, or not the best possible candidate is one thing. To argue that he’s a failure is quite another.
 
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shmmeee

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
I don’t disagree, and the evidence suggest that in 2016, Bernie would have beaten Trump handily. Ultimately, we’ll never know as it never came to pass.

The left in the USA, and to lesser degree in the UK too, has moved away from economic issues and attached itself to cultural issues. In my view, this trend generally explains why the ‘left’ is losing support to right wing populists across the western world.

Working class voter across the rust belt swapped to Trump in 2016 because he actually spoke about issues that affected them. Such as, the loss of manufacturing jobs to developing nations and so on.

Frankly, if a more polished Republican articulates these arguments in 2024, they’ll go back to Republican if the Democrats continue to be preoccupied with the cultural issues.

My outlook for the Biden presidency is not very positive.
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Biden just won with the biggest share of any challenger since FDR. The republicans haven’t won a popular vote this century other than post 9/11. Immigration is turning a lot of red states more and more blue.

You’re just taking the U.K. story and replacing Tories with Republicans but they’re two different countries with two different sets of issues.
 
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David O'Day

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shmmeee said:
Biden just won with the biggest share of any challenger since FDR. The republicans haven’t won a popular vote this century other than post 9/11. Immigration is turning a lot of red states more and more blue.

You’re just taking the U.K. story and replacing Tories with Republicans but they’re two different countries with two different sets of issues.
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Also people are acting like winning the White House is a disappointment. People have to remember that from the end of January all the cabinet seats and all the heads of agencies like ICE and UCBP will be democrats.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SBT said:
I mean....I get it. I don’t even disagree with most of it. But all that notwithstanding - he still beat Bernie. He’s still beating Trump. There’s no big conspiracy here - it’s just what people voted for. To argue that he’s not your favourite candidate, or not the best possible candidate is one thing. To argue that he’s a failure is quite another.
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I call him a poor candidate because others did all the work and heavy lifting for him to beat the guy who campaigned everywhere, got all the grassroots funding and organisation in place, plus the better policies. If nature were allowed to take its course and the higher ups hadn’t made their intervention, he’d have faded away. In any of his speeches he’s an incoherent mess so his campaign had to hide him away. It’s not just a politician who puts his foot in his mouth, he’s actually not well.

I also call him a poor candidate because when he gets in he’ll do a really shit job. Just slightly less shit than the orange guy. I guess I’m more pissed off that when that country could have had two terms of an FDR Democrat they’ve gone for a reality star moron and a 1980s Republican in cognitive decline.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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shmmeee said:
Biden just won with the biggest share of any challenger since FDR. The republicans haven’t won a popular vote this century other than post 9/11. Immigration is turning a lot of red states more and more blue.

You’re just taking the U.K. story and replacing Tories with Republicans but they’re two different countries with two different sets of issues.
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I'm highlighting trends where traditional parties are losing it's traditional party base.

In the UK, Labour stretched its advantage in metropolitan areas, and won a few University town/city seats. In the US, the Democrats have widened the gap in states like California.

Interest comparison with FDR, who carried 472 electoral college votes. He was genuinely winning support all over the USA against a President who was perceived to be doing nothing to fight the Depression. Biden is beating Trump by 4.3 million votes nationally. Biden is also winning by 4.3 million votes in California alone with only 66% of the votes counted and another 0.8 million votes in NY, with only 78% of votes counted. The Democrats are very popular in these safe states.

If Biden was genuinely that popular, the election would have been decided on election night and he would've won in the states that are 'too close to call' decisively.

The US is dealing with a massive pandemic, an economic downturn as a result and a lot of civil unrest. Biden is viewed pretty favourably compared to a President is viewed unfavourably. This election shouldn't be this close which ever way you look at it.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
I'm highlighting trends where traditional parties are losing it's traditional party base.

In the UK, Labour stretched its advantage in metropolitan areas, and won a few University town/city seats. In the US, the Democrats have widened the gap in states like California.

Interest comparison with FDR, who carried 472 electoral college votes. He was genuinely winning support all over the USA against a President who was perceived to be doing nothing to fight the Depression. Biden is beating Trump by 4.3 million votes nationally. Biden is also winning by 4.3 million votes in California alone with only 66% of the votes counted and another 0.8 million votes in NY, with only 78% of votes counted. The Democrats are very popular in these safe states.

If Biden was genuinely that popular, the election would have been decided on election night and he would've won in the states that are 'too close to call' decisively.

The US is dealing with a massive pandemic, an economic downturn as a result and a lot of civil unrest. Biden is viewed pretty favourably compared to a President is viewed unfavourably. This election shouldn't be this close which ever way you look at it.
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Maybe there’s been voter fraud by trump supporters
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Interesting in Florida they voted in favour of raising the minimum wage to $15/hour by 2026 (60% to 40), but they also voted for Trump over Biden. Can take a lot of lessons from that
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
I'm highlighting trends where traditional parties are losing it's traditional party base.

In the UK, Labour stretched its advantage in metropolitan areas, and won a few University town/city seats. In the US, the Democrats have widened the gap in states like California.

Interest comparison with FDR, who carried 472 electoral college votes. He was genuinely winning support all over the USA against a President who was perceived to be doing nothing to fight the Depression. Biden is beating Trump by 4.3 million votes nationally. Biden is also winning by 4.3 million votes in California alone with only 66% of the votes counted and another 0.8 million votes in NY, with only 78% of votes counted. The Democrats are very popular in these safe states.

If Biden was genuinely that popular, the election would have been decided on election night and he would've won in the states that are 'too close to call' decisively.

The US is dealing with a massive pandemic, an economic downturn as a result and a lot of civil unrest. Biden is viewed pretty favourably compared to a President is viewed unfavourably. This election shouldn't be this close which ever way you look at it.
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When you take in the amount of Dem support in those massively populated areas the difference in popularity overall is staggering. If Trump had won and California had tried to forge ahead with secession it would bring a raft of others because without those votes from that state there'd be almost perpetual Rep control.

Although it might be fun to see all the big economies leave and the USA be left as mainly arid desert and farmland.
 
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Kneeza

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Is this the bit where Trump calls in his private army of assault-rifle toting monkeys and bolts the gates?
Shit & fan springs to mind.
 
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