shmmeee
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Not what I’ve ever said, but ok.
Nobody forced people to vote for Biden when it was just him against Bernie. No doubt there were party shenanigans that conspired against Bernie. But this idea that the DNC somehow Jedi mind tricked millions of Dems into voting for a senile vegetable over a candidate who they actually really preferred (but just didn’t know it) is so bizarre.
skybluetony176
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The one thing that this election has settled once and for all. The right are the biggest snowflakes in the world and the further right you are the bigger.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Obama warned him not to run last year, which should tell you a lot. The polls showed people were choosing Biden because they thought he would be more likely to beat Trump. They also showed people voted for Biden this election most of all because he wasn't Trump.
So then you look at why people thought Biden was 'more electable' and you look at the age groups he dominated with, the over 50s. They get their news mostly from the established TV networks and newspapers, who would obviously much rather have a corporatist in office than a progressive. Without the intervention of senior Democrats, Klobuchar and Buttigieg stay in the race and Bernie's strategy of targeting 30-40% in every state wins.
The wafer thin majorities he has secured in many states will be lost if he fundamentally changes nothing, which is what he has pledged many many times.
Ian1779
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I’m not saying it’s Jedi mind tricks, just simple sabotage. On any ‘side’ there will always be a range of candidates that take a certain portion. The other candidates that occupy similar political space as Biden were pulled quickly and decisively to shore up Biden. Warren who would occupy the space between Biden and Sanders was left in the race just long enough for it to be fatal to the Sanders campaign.
skybluetony176
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Trying to work out what was the most bizarre. Paula Whites prayer service or Rudy Giuliani’s press conference early. Then I stumbled across this
So when it came down to a head-to-head contest between Biden and Bernie in Michigan and Arizona, does Biden winning easily bear no relevance?
BackRoomRummermill
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skybluetony176
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According to the Trump campaigns mathematician there’s over three hundred thousand and thirty four nine hundred and seventy four thousand illegal votes in Pennsylvania.
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shmmeee
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So he’s have to rely on the vote being split to get in on a minority just in his own party?
You can moan about the Boomers but their vote is both worth as much as anyone else’s and more reliably turns out.
This is the same wishful thinking nonsense that plagued the Corbyn campaigns. Deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Do you think the likes of the Lincoln Project would’ve been as effective or even existed under Sanders? Not a chance. It’d have been the U.K. 2019 GE all over again as the centre right go for the right wing loon over the left wing one.
shmmeee
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Saddlebrains
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Watching Sky news and its going to be war there tonight surely? Trump supporters taken to the streets armed to the hilt. Biden supporters now doing the same
Brighton Sky Blue
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He built the strategy around that because the field was enormous and even after Iowa was still crowded. It rapidly changed after the power play move and he didn't adapt. For a candidate like Sanders the primary would always be harder than the general election. Bernie had his flaws as a candidate, and couldn't shake out of them because he's set in his ways which is the risk taken with an old candidate. 2016 was his best chance truth be told.
Trump got in in the first place because Obama wasted his two terms and failed to deliver the change he promised. Biden won't be anything different and since he's less sharp and has less charisma the problem isn't going away. Left wing economic populism is still the antidote
SeaSeeEffCee
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What happened to that guy that said Trump was going to win by a landslide and make all the lefties cry?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Right so the issue people had with Trump wasn't his shit policies, it was him being rude on Twitter? Biden will continue to do nothing to fundamentally change anything, but that's OK because he has more decorum? And Biden is oozing in corruption himself, sexual assault allegations that don't seem to matter when it's a Democrat, a former advocate of segregation and supporter of the crime bill that saw needless numbers of black men put in prison.
Trump happened because Obama and Biden wasted their 8 years.
Sky Blue Pete
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Wow do you teach history? Hope not
Brighton Sky Blue
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What have I said that's incorrect?
skybluetony176
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Just seen some of Trump's tweets.
Fuck me, the bloke needs to be sectioned.
Fuck me, the bloke needs to be sectioned.
skybluetony176
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NO HE DOESN’T. HE’S A VERY STABLE GENIUS........
David O'Day
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All of it
You fail (on purpose I believe) to understand what he said. He wasn't talking about fucking twitter he was talking about 2 things:
1) the very real fear that a lot of non white Americans live in and the fact that will lift when Trump is not in control of the apparatus of state and the federal agencies.
2) The fact that decency and humanity won, the fact you can be a decent person and win.
Sexual Assault allegations? Yes that were deemed in the balance of probabilities to be untrue (for example there was no alcove in the corridor were she claimed he pushed he into an alcove)
Corruption? I guess you are talking about Hunter Biden were the only evidence is a blind computer repairman with an truly weird story
A former supporter of segregation? Fuck off and watch his speech from the 1980s were he roasts the Reagan administration for there attempts to work with the South African regime.
The crime bill was flawed but your hero Sanders also has a dodgy voting history on things like gun control. I'll also tell you who seems to have forgive the crime bill? The black population who voted for in the primaries.
So while Biden isn't perfect candidate and who really is it's a fucking big day for America now he has won as witnessed by the partyuing that is going on.
You sound like the embittered Corbynites who would rather tories rule than praise a moderate.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Obama openly stated he's a 1980s Republican. Biden is of a similar ilk and has made speeches boasting proudly of his desire to cut the social safety net. This is only comparable to the UK if Keir Starmer went around calling himself a 1980s Tory and vowing not to change anything. Yet again, I'm not unhappy Trump's gone. I'm just very 'meh' about Biden scraping past him.
If I lived over there I'd know that by the end of Biden's term he will have delivered on his promise to not fundamentally change anything. Being Republican lite isn't anything to open the champagne for is it? He won't fix any of the huge problems facing that country. Bernie Sanders has a long and pretty distinguished record of consistently sticking up for the positions I agree with, on healthcare, education, foreign policy, the military budget, the minimum wage, LGBT rights, civil rights, drug decriminalisation, financial regulation etc. Not electing him is a huge missed opportunity for the US. Hopefully someone like him but more savvy will come to the fore in the next decade.
David O'Day
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Obama says he’d be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country.
thehill.com
He didn't say he was an 80s Republican, he said his economic policies would be seen as moderate republican in the 1980s compared to the republicans calling him a socialist. It was a comment on the current state of US political discourse and the US Overton window.
Basically your whole argument seems to be based on the misunderstanding of a quote.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Obama says he’d be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country.
He didn't say he was an 80s Republican, he said his economic policies would be seen as moderate republican in the 1980s compared to the republicans calling him a socialist. It was a comment on the current state of US political discourse and the US Overton window.
Basically your whole argument seems to be based on the misunderstanding of a quote.
Being seen as an economic 1980s Republican is still nothing to get excited about and the shifting of the Overton window there to the right is a consequence of the Democrats, including Obama and Biden, always trying to meet the Republicans half way and inching themselves further right.
They had a super majority, the presidency and waves of popular support in Obama's early years. The best thing they did with it was Mitt Romney's healthcare plan. My thoughts on this are a bit more deep rooted than a quote. Taking Biden as a vastly inferior and more socially conservative version of Obama it's not hard to see how his presidency will go.
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David O'Day
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You really don't get the quote do you? You also don't seem to understand the post ware consensus were Republican and Democrat (an in the UK Labour and Tory) economic policies were not to different and were shaped on both sides by things like Bretton Woods and John Maynard Keynes. Up until the rise of the Neo Cons the republicans were Keynesian as well.
This is is what Obama is talking about, not that he is right wing.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Look at how he governed, the policies he pursued, the wars he got involved in, the mass deportations, the failure to end the war on drugs etc etc. He governed as a moderate Republican would. The interview is here, note how he doesn’t specifically talk about economics. Again, his landmark achievement in office was Obamacare, which took the form of a proposal by the conservative Heritage Foundation and got support from the likes of Mitt Romney.
He’s just a centre right kinda guy like his buddy Joe. Though Joe is further right.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Amen to that brah
skybluetony176
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There seems to be a new right wing C19 conspiracy theory that the Democrats invented it, unleashed it on the world to make Trump look incompetent and then shortly after Biden is sworn in a cure will be miraculously discovered.