What three clubs are we going to better to stay up ? (16 Viewers)

[Flying Fokker]

I said last season, I'm not against us becoming a yo-yo club for a few years until we can stabilise at a higher level. Obviously, there are no guarantees when you go down that you'll come back up (as past history shows!), but the principle of it is sound. Keep building, getting better, little by little. That said, I was optimistic we'd compete pre-season. Less so now. I don't think we're one of the three worst clubs, but we're amongst the worst in terms of results thus far, so we must be in with a shout of going down.

Neither am I. But it would be better if it is between the prem and championship. We have never been a yo-yo club unless we’re on a bloody long piece of string!

 

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[Barnsley]

Neither am I. But it would be better if it is between the prem and championship. We have never been a yo-yo club unless we’re on a bloody long piece of string!

If we became a yo-yo it’s not something that I’d be ashamed of, and it’s better than finishing 4th or 5th bottom every season, as you get a season of winning regularly. It’s the scrapping by every season that kills football clubs and fan bases it sole destroying.

 

[shmmeee]

By on large this league tends to be determined by budget, with the odd exception at ether end, so the three promoted teams, and the two that finished just above the bottom three the season before (us and Luton). Are always in the mix, then you’ve got the teams walking a financial tightrope, Wensdeh, Derby, T’uddersfield, Birmingham, Blackburn & QPR. One of them six could end up with their comeuppance for years of over spending and disregarding financial fair play rules.

Correlation between wages and position actually isn’t that strong, certainly compared to the Prem. I was quite surprised

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[Barnsley]

Correlation between wages and position actually isn’t that strong, certainly compared to the Prem. I was quite surprised

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It’s changed now if you look at last season table.

 

[Grendel]

Correlation between wages and position actually isn’t that strong, certainly compared to the Prem. I was quite surprised

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Thats pretty old I think now it’s far more predictable certainly with small spending clubs

 

[shmmeee]

Thats pretty old I think now it’s far more predictable certainly with small spending clubs

I wouldn’t be surprised. As you know I think we don’t have the budget to compete in this league. But as that was the only evidence I could find thought it was interesting it went the other way.

 

[Grendel]

I wouldn’t be surprised. As you know I think we don’t have the budget to compete in this league. But as that was the only evidence I could find thought it was interesting it went the other way.

The reverse sometimes happens where clubs are relegated and don’t quickly bounce back and they end up with grossly inflated wages and an inability to move in the transfer market. Sunderland are the best example s d others like Hull Wigan and Blackburn have experienced this fate.

It does seem if you can stay in the league for a couple of seasons you can get established on a lower wage structure as Millwall have proved and Luton (doubt they have big wages) I think will. It’s getting through two seasons that’s the challenge.

if this was a normal season of course our turnover issue would be a factor due to lost ticket revenue which would highlight our absurd situation more than it does at present. Our revenues at Birmingham make us similar to the likes of Barnsley and Rotherham but a season in Coventry would push us into a next level

 

[bawtryneal]

All depends if we can afford or have the desire to strengthen in January
The difference between League 1 and Championship is £5.5 million in turnover so decisions, decisions

 

[stupot07]

Whilst we havent been that bad, we have been poor in the 2 both boxes. If that continues we will undoubtedly get relegated.


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[higgs]

Assuming we get relegated is it safe to say we should be able to keep the squad together to have another go at promotion next season?

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[cc84cov]

Assuming we get relegated is it safe to say we should be able to keep the squad together to have another go at promotion next season?

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Regardless of squads we don’t want to be down again attempting to come back we’ve been there before coming out the premiership I thought we would bounce back,stick in the mix till jan and possibly bring 2 players in who can a difference maybe a defender & target man gets my vote.

 

[Grendel]

Assuming we get relegated is it safe to say we should be able to keep the squad together to have another go at promotion next season?

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Unlikely as we’d lose £5 million in TV money - better players would leave and a far few are out of contract

 

[cc84cov]

Unlikely as we’d lose £5 million in TV money

We surely have to get a couple in the January window ? SISU will have to back robins I feel

 

[Garryb80]

We surely have to get a couple in the January window ? SISU will have to back robins I feel

How can they provide extra revenue when they are hardly getting any income? Financial fair play prevents any additional revenues being pumped in.

 

[cc84cov]

How can they provide extra revenue when they are hardly getting any income? Financial fair play prevents any additional revenues being pumped in.

Or don’t find it and get relegated and lose a lot more in tv money Alone

 

[Ccfcisparks]

We aren’t better than 3 teams in this league.

 

[Barnsley]

We aren’t better than 3 teams in this league.

I agree with you at the moment, but you have the second youngest squad in the league, and it’s a new league to them, it takes time to adjust, but young players are learning and improving on a daily basis and game by game, your problem in my opinion is that your manager isn’t good enough at this level and he’ll always struggle no matter what players he as.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I agree with you at the moment, but you have the second youngest squad in the league, and it’s a new league to them, it takes time to adjust, but young players are learning and improving on a daily basis and game by game, your problem in my opinion is that your manager isn’t good enough at this level and he’ll always struggle no matter what players he as.

If we were being ruthless I’d be straight on the phone to Paul Cook personally, but think every Cov fan agrees Robin deserves the benefit of the doubt just by the amount he has done for us.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

I agree with you at the moment, but you have the second youngest squad in the league, and it’s a new league to them, it takes time to adjust, but young players are learning and improving on a daily basis and game by game, your problem in my opinion is that your manager isn’t good enough at this level and he’ll always struggle no matter what players he as.

I always thought he did okay at Barnsley? What’s the view on him?

 

[Garryb80]

Or don’t find it and get relegated and lose a lot more in tv money Alone

You do understand how financial fair play works don't you?

 

[Grendel]

You do understand how financial fair play works don't you?

We could spend a fair amount and be within those rules

 

[Barnsley]

If we were being ruthless I’d be straight on the phone to Paul Cook personally, but think every Cov fan agrees Robin deserves the benefit of the doubt just by the amount he has done for us.

I would have liked Cook here but understood that it would never happen. I see what you mean but you have to be ruthless at times, in a couple of weeks Derby will be looking for a new manager, if you’d set the league alight and he’d have been on their radar he be off like a shot. Loyalty left football years ago.

I always thought he did okay at Barnsley? What’s the view on him?

I’ve always thought he’s a whingeing wanker. Always moaning about what he hasn’t got and looking for excuses, rather than concentrating on what he has got and getting the best out of it.

 

[Grendel]

I agree with you at the moment, but you have the second youngest squad in the league, and it’s a new league to them, it takes time to adjust, but young players are learning and improving on a daily basis and game by game, your problem in my opinion is that your manager isn’t good enough at this level and he’ll always struggle no matter what players he as.

Ooh this won’t go well

 

[Travs]

After today we'll have played 5 (or is it 6?) of the top 7... the next run of 10 fixtures is kinder. If we are in the bottom three after 20 games i think the panic will be more justified. At the moment we are probably doing par for the course (ie clearly outclassing a couple of better-regarded teams, but letting ourselves down with inexperience and mistakes).

Until we hit that fantastic run of form in the 2nd half of last season, many people had us down as not even making the playoffs, and one or two lunatics tipping us to get dragged into a relegation fight.

It's way too early yet.

As to the original post... Wycombe, Barnsley, Luton, Huddersfield, QPR, Rotherham, Blues, Wednesday, all in the battle with us.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Ooh this won’t go well

Eddie Howe looked well out his depth at Burnley but then went back to Bournemouth and had quite a few season of them being successful until last year. Different situations result in different outcomes.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Eddie Howe looked well out his depth at Burnley but then went back to Bournemouth and had quite a few season of them being successful until last year. Different situations result in different outcomes.

He left for personal reasons didn’t he? 8th and 13th placed finishes hardly out of his depth for Burnley at the time.

 

[Warwickhunt]

I would have liked Cook here but understood that it would never happen. I see what you mean but you have to be ruthless at times, in a couple of weeks Derby will be looking for a new manager, if you’d set the league alight and he’d have been on their radar he be off like a shot. Loyalty left football years ago.



I’ve always thought he’s a whingeing wanker. Always moaning about what he hasn’t got and looking for excuses, rather than concentrating on what he has got and getting the best out of it.

Eh Up Barnsley! you sound just like the fat controller from Gillingham

 

[Grendel]

Eddie Howe looked well out his depth at Burnley but then went back to Bournemouth and had quite a few season of them being successful until last year. Different situations result in different outcomes.

lol his record at Burnley was the same as his second spell at Bournemouth

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

lol his record at Burnley was the same as his second spell at Bournemouth

His time at Burnley was in the Championship, most of his second spell at Bournemouth was PL.

Also at Burnley they'd just been relegated from the PL and were (possibly unfairly) expected to be challenging for promotion due to that money, parachute payments and improved squad. It's widely thought he underperformed to expectations with what he had available to him.

Bournemouth had decent backing but weren't expected to go up when they did. They certainly weren't expected to survive but they did and performed pretty well up to last season overall when it fell apart because his attacking players weren't scoring (he's always conceded quite a lot of goals).

 

[Rugby Sky Blue]

I did think Derby would go down but they will spend money and probably get a few loans signings in January, Sheffield Wednesday would be 7th without the pints deduction so I think I will rule those out. Wycombe will probably go down but I do think there direct approach will get them a few points. Potentially Rotherham will finish below us also but they don't look too bad recently. Thinking about it I don't think we will come last but I can't see three teams picking up less points than us, we play better football than a lot of teams but we are naïve and defensively weak.

 

[Grendel]

His time at Burnley was in the Championship, most of his second spell at Bournemouth was PL.

Also at Burnley they'd just been relegated from the PL and were (possibly unfairly) expected to be challenging for promotion due to that money, parachute payments and improved squad. It's widely thought he underperformed to expectations with what he had available to him.

Bournemouth had decent backing but weren't expected to go up when they did. They certainly weren't expected to survive but they did and performed pretty well up to last season overall when it fell apart because his attacking players weren't scoring (he's always conceded quite a lot of goals).

You said he was out of his depth? He was t unpopular and left due to family issues

 

[Barnsley]

I did think Derby would go down but they will spend money and probably get a few loans signings in January, Sheffield Wednesday would be 7th without the pints deduction so I think I will rule those out. Wycombe will probably go down but I do think there direct approach will get them a few points. Potentially Rotherham will finish below us also but they don't look too bad recently. Thinking about it I don't think we will come last but I can't see three teams picking up less points than us, we play better football than a lot of teams but we are naïve and defensively weak.

Shitfield Wensdeh would be 20th without their deduction.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Shitfield Wensdeh would be 20th without their deduction.

What’s changed for Barnsley under the new manager? Only 2 teams with better point returns over the last 6

Against us it looked like you wouldn’t score if you played all night

 

[Barnsley]

What’s changed for Barnsley under the new manager? Only 2 teams with better point returns over the last 6

Against us it looked like you wouldn’t score if you played all night

We’re allowing the opposition to come on to us a little more, but we control the areas in which they can play, teams are more advanced which means they naturally push up from the back, then when we win the ball back we get it forward much quicker, which is allowing us more time and space in the danger areas. Our principals have stayed the same, pressing the ball at all times, and closing down quickly pressurising players, but we’re not doing it as high up the pitch all the time.

The reason we can allow teams to play in our half more is the loan signing of Matty James, he’s the best player we’ve had in a Reds shirt for the best part of 20 years, if not all time, if he hadn’t been blighted with injuries he be in the Leicester team and they’re top of the premier league, he’s that good, best player in this league easily.