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For starters we’ll be picking up the tab for legal costs on both sides. Then you have the cost of keeping them during the appeal process which could be years. You’re suggesting 80 prisoners are eligible in your opinion for capital punishment. Say the appeal process takes an average of 10 years per prisoner, £ 800M divided by 80 equals £10M per prisoner. Sounds plausible to me. If they lived to serve 40 years of a full life sentence that would cost roughly £2.6M per prisoner or £208M for the 80 prisoners.
I’ve never said he wasn’t responsible for his actions. I said him being trialed, convicted and hung for murder was wrong, which it was as 40years of appeals proved. How are you not getting this?
It's irrelevant which parts of the US system I would hypothetically gut since we are discussing the UK which does not have the US system of justice.
I merely pointed out it would be a lot cheaper. In another thread I actually put forward and argument for keeping a prisoner alive:
Lucy Letby
If true, which it seems to be judging by the swiftness of the CPS, must be up there with the worst crimes ever commited in this country
This is a strange rant about the 'the right'. Almost heading into Tony territory. I've seen Ian & Brighton calling for death penalties this morning... hardly forum righties.
Personally I’m on the wall to some degree. There’s been numerous cases where in the heat of the moment I’ve said I’d quite happily pull the trigger, press the button, pull the leaver. Especially where child killers are involved and especially since becoming a father. Murder is an horrendous crime and absolutely deserves the full weight of justice but there are several wider questions, the obvious one being what it says about us as a society. It clearly doesn’t work as a deterrent. In a civilised society with a robust appeal process aimed at ensuring that miscarriages of justice don’t happen, especially important if the sentence is death, it clearly doesn’t work as a cost saving exercise. So that only leaves revenge, an ugly character in a human being let alone a society so that really is the only thing to have a debate around. Deterrent and costs is no more than a straw man argument.
I think there’s a lot to that Pete.
I get where you're coming from, I really do. But some people seem to get off on it, which as I say, doesn't sit too well.
I know and I respect that
I never understand why spree killers or terrorists or whatever are attempted to be bought in alive. They are literally there shooting or stabbing, just bring them down and be done with it. Once they are in custody alive though, just like anyone else, its a no from me.
When I read the title I thought the g man was going to make a generous offer to pay for some nurses from his astronomical pension pot
Out of interest, and I'm interested what you think, not arguing with you. Where is the cut off point for what kind of murder gets death penalty and what doesn't? If this was available as a punishment it would have to be written in law so you'd need set rules.
Fair. I do get what you're saying and I certainly wouldn't cry over it if it was a thing.
To be honest I don’t know how I feel about capital punishment - I can see arguments for and against. I can certainly see more justification for it in the more severe crimes, and there is the idea of absolute guilt as well.
Make prison building a national industry, dont rehabilitate and give staple food only, less likely to want to come back for playstations. Let the SAS deal with nutters, nonces and those who complain about them being neutralised.
Just appoint me home secretary
