Pay Freeze for Public Workers (5 Viewers)
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David O'Day
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So the police officer, porter, fireman, paramedic etc deserves to be poorer because the government won't collect the tax they should from business.
Also for a purely economic reason it will depress demand making the economy worse.
Nick
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Doesn't it mean they aren't getting a pay rise?
Lots of people have worked non stop (me included) and wouldn't be expecting a pay rise. Thankful to still have my job more than anything while the country is on it's arse.
Jamiepwns
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I work for the NHS, I'm not a doctor or nurse, I'm a porter so I'll be part of the pay freeze.
I've been working on average 50+ hours a week since the pandemic started to help cover staff shortages. We had like 40 people off isolating for weeks at a time but the workload was still there, if not worse due to the increase in the deceased. We even sadly lost one of our guys to covid.
Are you starting to understand why there could be outrage?
fernandopartridge
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Because you're not getting one nobody else should.
Nick
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No I just didn't realise pay rises year on year were expected.
It isn't just public workers who have been grafting all the way through.
Nick
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Sorry to hear that they died.
Lots of people have been hammered, lots have completely lost their jobs, small businesses have collapsed etc;. People will have been isolating in all industries though and many will be losing their jobs completely?
Don't you get paid overtime for working over your contracted hours? It's very wrong if you don't.
If people's hours have increased then obviously they should be paid more, sorry if that was the point I was missing.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I got told the reason I was teaching in a box all this time was to help save the economy. Doesn't matter we've been working twice as hard under the most ridiculous circumstances since March.
We should all be at least getting some kind of Christmas bonus
Brighton Sky Blue
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It's a given when you sign up to be a teacher that all overtime is voluntary and expectedly so. Not even things like parents' or open evenings which they could easily put a number on
Terry Gibson's perm
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At my works we have rejected a 6.6% pay rise over three years, I think we have voted this week on 7odd % plus a bonus of £250 for full time staff and £150 for part time and also fought to get two extra days holiday as a reward for working through Covid.
Our company has made billions during the pandemic and the share price has risen from $99.28 in June to $170.66 today.
We are lucky but are still very lowly paid.
At our local school the teachers got a pay rise and they let two teaching assistants go to pay for it.
Our company has made billions during the pandemic and the share price has risen from $99.28 in June to $170.66 today.
We are lucky but are still very lowly paid.
At our local school the teachers got a pay rise and they let two teaching assistants go to pay for it.
Sky Blue Pete
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Not had a pay rise for a decade
Brighton Sky Blue
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I suspect you will find that's a consequence of the government mandating a pay rise last year without providing any more money for it, so it had to come out of existing budgets.
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chiefdave
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Isn't that the norm for salaried employees? I'm contracted for 40 hours a week but can't remember the last week I did less than 60. No chance of getting overtime or even TOIL.
David O'Day
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No anything over 37.5 and it's toil or overtime pay
chiefdave
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Not had that at any of the last three companies I've been at. Maybe its just the sector I work in then. You'd get laughed at asking for overtime or TOIL. Wish we did, I'd be doubling my salary most months.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Inflation makes it a real terms pay cut.
Anger will also be because MP's getting an extra £3k.
Terry Gibson's perm
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They might not get it yet, us grunts at the bottom don’t seem to happy with it happening
David O'Day
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You need to learn how inflation works
So you have a shit company but it's not a race to the bottom now is it
Chip Batch
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Below inflation pay rises over the last few years are also have the net effect of a pay cut. Generally as sta
They should be expected. Anything less than the rate of inflation is a net decrease and not the sign of a progressive society.
Tax the people properly that can afford it
They should be expected. Anything less than the rate of inflation is a net decrease and not the sign of a progressive society.
Tax the people properly that can afford it
Nick
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Well yeah it goes without saying those leeches should get fuck all.
Terry Gibson's perm
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Personally I think they deserve the rise but obviously to get it a good cut in numbers would be required 50 % reduction in staff numbers should be about right
skyblueusername
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I would love a pay freeze.
I got a pay fuck all, lost my job because of this shit.
I got a pay fuck all, lost my job because of this shit.
shmmeee
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No. Inflation means money is worth less over time. So being paid £20k last year and still being paid it this year means you can buy less stuff than last year. It’s a drop in your standard of living. Same as to your dad £5k/year was probably a decent salary or whatever. Most people get cost of living increases to make up for this, or move every couple of years.
When you’re on a pay structure you can’t leave for more money, and you can’t negotiate with your boss for a raise, you’re stuck hoping the government increases the salary.
The public sector is a massive employer spread across the entire country so millions of peoples standard of living will drop next year, including those who last year sold non essential things to those in the public sector. That’s why it’s news.
And unless your business is in trouble and you are feeling generous towards it’s owner by taking a pay cut, you absolutely should expect a pay rise.
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eastwoodsdustman
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Anyone would think that the country has just been hit with a massive unplanned debt and recession or something.
Seriously people it’s about pulling together not just for a few months in lockdown but for the foreseeable future. If that means we have to pay a bit towards the government’s forced borrowing then so be it.
Most people work hard. I do and I don’t expect and haven’t had a pay rise for a few years, never get over time and I’m still earning less than I was 10 years ago.
Look at the bigger picture.
Seriously people it’s about pulling together not just for a few months in lockdown but for the foreseeable future. If that means we have to pay a bit towards the government’s forced borrowing then so be it.
Most people work hard. I do and I don’t expect and haven’t had a pay rise for a few years, never get over time and I’m still earning less than I was 10 years ago.
Look at the bigger picture.
Terry Gibson's perm
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It hasn’t helped that the government have filled their mates pockets full of our cash.
shmmeee
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That’s not how any of this works. You don’t “pay a bit more to pay down the borrowing”, these are mostly one off costs aside from unemployment and you don’t create jobs by making all the customers poor. The debt will be paid off how all government debt in history has been paid off: growth and inflation. And you can’t cut your way to growth.
A country isn’t a person or a household. You can’t print your own money. Your spending isn’t also your income. You will die. The comparison is nonsense.
lifeskyblue
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If MPs get their rise....which they have already been awarded and ipsa don’t reverse it their should be rioting on the streets. Did you see Hancock dithering and blathering on whether he would take the rise. But so easy for them to tell others they can’t have one.
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Nick
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There will be millions across the country who don't get a pay rise every year.
The majority of places I've worked haven't just handed them out every year to everybody.
Nick
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Yeah, they shouldn't get anything. Snakes
fernandopartridge
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If you don't get a pay rise every year you're getting a pay cut. You aren't this dense surely?
Nick
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How many millions of people don't get a pay rise every year? Along with no Flexi time, full sick pay etc?