Liquid Gold
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But QPR weren’t doing the knee thing. They must have been forced to do it, anybody see a German guy with a big beard coming out of their changing rooms?
Take the knee (5 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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I recon they’ve had the vaccine today so are now under the control of Bill Gates who made them do it as he’s part of a secret Marxist new world order planning on taking over the world. Two QPR players being the obvious starting place to launch world dominance.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Has Santa been already?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Through the looking glass sheeple.
Ian1779
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I had the vaccine today - I fucking love Bill Gates .... (I feel very strongly inclined to write this even though I don’t know why)
stay_up_skyblues
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Shocking stuff. Sounds like the official(s) try to blame a language barrier which is quite frankly laughable, particularly at that level. Fair play to the teams walking off.
stay_up_skyblues
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In that video I posted you can hear the officials seemingly trying to explain/justify saying he was speaking Romanian I think.
Astute
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This is what we mentioned a few days ago. Racist comments made by someone that doesn't realise that he is making a racist comment.
'That black man' looks to be what was said. To many there will be nothing wrong with the statement. Yes he is a man. Yes he is black. But would he have said 'that white man'?
Just a comment. Just a description. But try and look at it at another angle. Think of something that sets you apart from the majority. Then imagine constantly being described by it. 'That little man'. 'That man with the big nose' or even 'That ugly man'. It could be a description of something some have a confidence problem like 'that bald man'. Then imagine that it is how you are constantly described. Then change it to you being black and that is how you are constantly referred to.
Upsetting? Then imagine this is just a description. Much worse is said. Much worse is done. Can you imagine if your life was affected in a big way by what makes you look different like job prospects?
pastythegreat
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He says, whilst doing exactly the same, just from the opposite side of the coin.
The way I look at the knee, is it already seems to have lost its message. People are more concerned about attacking people for not doing it than they are about promoting the message it stands for. Too busy calling people that don't do it racist instead of targeting actual racists.
Much like the pre match line-up and hand shake and captains photos with sponsors etc. Things that have just snuck in to the pre match ritual. The line up and hand shake was traditionally a cup final thing that slowly came in to every game. Nobody really cares about it, nobody really wants it but its just happens every week like clockwork (granted, because of covid it hasn't this season). In 25 years time, you'll ask a young fan why do the players kneel before kick off and he'll shrug and say he doesn't know, its just always been that way. Part of the "tradition" of the pre match ritual.
Is there still a need to promote and tackle racism in football? Unfortunately, yes, there's a massive need for it.
Is making people feel like they MUST take the knee or face the wrath of the media the answer? No, I dont think it is.
Does that mean I have the answer? No, I certainly don't, I just don't think carrying on the knee eternally will portay the message intended.
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Otis
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Who's calling people racist for not doing it? There are quite a few clubs and players that haven't been doing it all season without problem.
This is about fans booing the taking of the knee, despite their own players saying they were only doing so to highlight discrimination and nothing else.
chiefdave
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He seems to use the word 'negru', which is apparently a Romainian word for black. Is it just that someone has picked up on negru and thought it was something worse?
Would everyone walk off if a black person was described as black? There was a chap from some anti-racism group on the news recently saying you should use black as it is more accurate, and less offensive than, people of colour.
Would everyone walk off if a black person was described as black? There was a chap from some anti-racism group on the news recently saying you should use black as it is more accurate, and less offensive than, people of colour.
pastythegreat
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No, this is about the uproar from the media because QPR didn't take the knee
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Otis
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When? Previously?
As I say, there have been a number of clubs not taking the knee.
David O'Day
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Exactly it's about a fan base with a long history of racism being racist. End of story
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Astute
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It comes down to context.
This is what many people have a problem understanding. My eldest daughter is black and proud of it. But people that don't know her don't know she is. But she wouldn't want to be known as 'that black woman'
And yes the correct term is black. Other terms, colours and shades to describe are seen and used as racist terms. Please re-read what I said earlier and hopefully you will understand. Nobody should be defined by something that makes them different.
One day hopefully it will be understood by everyone.
Otis
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Can't say I am too enamoured with the events last night at the New Den.
Forget about what QPR did. What we have in essence is, Millwall players taking the knee and the fans booing. Next game we have the Millwall players not taking the knee and the fans cheering.
It's not a good look.
Forget about what QPR did. What we have in essence is, Millwall players taking the knee and the fans booing. Next game we have the Millwall players not taking the knee and the fans cheering.
It's not a good look.
Liquid Gold
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Do you also find it strange as an avid NFL fan how things have been twisted moving over the pond? There is never any talk about taking the knee being a subservient action over there, but there is loads of talk about it disrespecting the military which we haven't imported.
David O'Day
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It's an awful look from an awful club that has done nothing in the past to deal with their fans and their well documented racist behaviour.
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Yep, I'm not necessarily sure keeping doing something for the sake of it is worthwhile, but after that reaction - there was the time to double down on doing it. Stick it in their faces and show them that they're stupid insensitive pricks, that can't get their own way by being disruptive and negative, on whatever scale.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He looks really fancy, in his shades and DM boots...
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep problematic how different people perceive different comments. Most legislation is how it’s perceived not how it’s meant for discrimination.
So the guy who says to the 4th referee why did you say ‘this black guy’ he’s saying me being black is not important why did you say this if you wouldn’t have said this white guy.
For that to escalate to everyone leaving the pitch seems an overreaction
What I’ve found is that when you call someone out it takes a huge person to say, actually that’s a really good point. I’m sorry if I caused offence by that I didn’t mean it and can see your point of view. What you get it is a defensive response initially and often and angry rebuttal saying that the person wronged has to question feeling got at or worse.
We can’t change our bias unless we are aware of it. Too many of us are afraid of going down the route for fear of what they’ll found and ignorance is more safe
If the Romanian official did do more then ok but let’s assume it was this.
So who thinks it’s offensive? I do. It’s not on the level of bananas being thrown at John Barnes but it’s a systemic issue the world over that needs challenging by those that have the power to get worldwide notice
I do think it’s so hard across the world when some countries are very very immature in terms of racism and sexism and homophobia
My personal story is that I’m pretty sure despite being a union guy and Christian and you know pretty nice that I have some horrid prejudices hidden away and some not so hidden away and I need to be more self aware and listen to people around me articulate their frustrations in this area
I signed up to nhs volunteer responder roles this last year and I found that I was tempted to cancel the task if it was an Asian name, what the hell I thought and so I had to actively suppress this racism and treat each job the same. I do get scared going to strangers houses to help but every job I’ve done people have been so thankful
What has surprised me is how this reaction hasn’t changed, I react in a racist way and I don’t choose to honestly. I strongly hold that all men women and children are created equal and are all equally valuable
So what do I do? Am I a bad person? Probably? Do I do the right thing each time and through experience will this Change or is there no hope for me?
My point is that it’s great those with the power are using it.
We need to be aware that none of us are perfect
We need to be honest and expect others to be honest with us
We need to listen to others story and be quick to apologise and quick to forgive
Those of us that hold MLK’s words in our hearts as important need to do more than manage our own behaviours and actions and act to stop comments and actions on a small individual level and big systemic level. This is especially necessary where we have power and influence for the good of all, most especially at this moment in time in football where people with a different colours skin are being treated differently
Rant and testimony over
So the guy who says to the 4th referee why did you say ‘this black guy’ he’s saying me being black is not important why did you say this if you wouldn’t have said this white guy.
For that to escalate to everyone leaving the pitch seems an overreaction
What I’ve found is that when you call someone out it takes a huge person to say, actually that’s a really good point. I’m sorry if I caused offence by that I didn’t mean it and can see your point of view. What you get it is a defensive response initially and often and angry rebuttal saying that the person wronged has to question feeling got at or worse.
We can’t change our bias unless we are aware of it. Too many of us are afraid of going down the route for fear of what they’ll found and ignorance is more safe
If the Romanian official did do more then ok but let’s assume it was this.
So who thinks it’s offensive? I do. It’s not on the level of bananas being thrown at John Barnes but it’s a systemic issue the world over that needs challenging by those that have the power to get worldwide notice
I do think it’s so hard across the world when some countries are very very immature in terms of racism and sexism and homophobia
My personal story is that I’m pretty sure despite being a union guy and Christian and you know pretty nice that I have some horrid prejudices hidden away and some not so hidden away and I need to be more self aware and listen to people around me articulate their frustrations in this area
I signed up to nhs volunteer responder roles this last year and I found that I was tempted to cancel the task if it was an Asian name, what the hell I thought and so I had to actively suppress this racism and treat each job the same. I do get scared going to strangers houses to help but every job I’ve done people have been so thankful
What has surprised me is how this reaction hasn’t changed, I react in a racist way and I don’t choose to honestly. I strongly hold that all men women and children are created equal and are all equally valuable
So what do I do? Am I a bad person? Probably? Do I do the right thing each time and through experience will this Change or is there no hope for me?
My point is that it’s great those with the power are using it.
We need to be aware that none of us are perfect
We need to be honest and expect others to be honest with us
We need to listen to others story and be quick to apologise and quick to forgive
Those of us that hold MLK’s words in our hearts as important need to do more than manage our own behaviours and actions and act to stop comments and actions on a small individual level and big systemic level. This is especially necessary where we have power and influence for the good of all, most especially at this moment in time in football where people with a different colours skin are being treated differently
Rant and testimony over
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I suppose the Millwall fans are racist for cheering an anti-discrimination gesture? Maybe, just maybe it is the whole message surrounding the knee and BLM which is the problem. As many people, myself included, have been saying for a while.
Otis
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But what about the clear statement brought out by the players to say THEIR taking of the knee was ONLY as an anti-discrimination gesture and nothing else?
Doesn't stack up.
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There are zero excuses. The only division is caused by deciding that, somehow, what they said isn't what they mean, and that footballers of all people, are those seeking a revolution to overthrow the bourgeoisie!
Grendel
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I think the argument is similar to that regarding the Anti Nazi league. Most protesting had a view to stop the rise Of the national front (which wasn’t really riding very much) but the leaders really had a very different agenda
David O'Day
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Not going there as it'll set some weirdos off again
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There is no confusion in their message, unless you want to look for it.
shmmeee
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What “leaders”? What are you on about? There are no “leaders”, why is this so hard for people to grasp?