The unbeaten run - the objective view (1 Viewer)

[cc84cov]

Tactically efficient is not what i would describe robins as which going forward at this level worries me,if we was to lose Hamer in jan we would be in serious trouble.

 

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[pastythegreat]

At the start of the unbeaten run there were, I think, only 3 teams below us and we were out of the relegation zone on goal difference.
Nine games later we are 18th in the table and 6 points above the relegation zone. All this in a league 2 levels higher that 3 years ago.

So we should just accept it then?
I want to be CEO of the company I work for (Play in the Premier league) but im currently middle management and should be happy with stagnating as middle management as I started out 3 years ago on the shop floor.

Let's not strive as fans of a once huge, proud top flight club, because were not in the relegation zone (yet) of a league 2 leagues higher than 3 years ago.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tactically efficient is not what i would describe robins as which going forward at this level worries me,if we was to lose Hamer in jan we would be in serious trouble.

He's not going anywhere

 

[cc84cov]

He's not going anywhere

If the right money comes we all know he’s gone but I doubt it will just yet

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If the right money comes we all know he’s gone but I doubt it will just yet

Aye but summer at the earliest

 

[Esoterica]

We got a point against the league leaders away from home. It’s a very good result regardless of their injuries. They still had players who have top flight experience and are also full internationals.
Plus at the time we were in a worse position than we are now. Again your opinion on this is baffling

'Full internationals, top flight experience, league leaders'. You're playing the game on paper that's why it's baffling to you.

 

[Esoterica]

I watched the game. I don't think Norwich were terrible at all. I think they were hanging on at the end but that was due to the way we played. Norwich kept the ball well and made us chase but apart from a mad five mins and a hotly disputed penalty, they didn't trouble us. We thoroughly deserved the point, arguably, the win. I would image the transfer value and wages of the team Norwich put out that day dwarfed ours. Despite their extensive injury list, Norwich are clear at the top of the league, so it doesn't seem that they have been a soft touch for anyone else either.
There is no guarantee that if we had of been more expansive we would have won. I think it is just as likely that Norwich might have picked us off. The one thing that is certain is that the point achieved is one more towards the 50 we need for survival.
Four years ago I seen us beaten 6-1 at Carrow Road in a game that Norwich could quite easily have hit double figures in. A few weeks ago we were more than a match for them. I think that shows the progress made.

You're probably right, I didn't phrase that well - terrible in the context of how they'd been playing earlier in the season and at full strength. They were no better than a bang average Champ team on the day - they lost 3-1 to Luton in the very next game before they got their star players back.

I agree with a lot of what you said there though. They didn't trouble us, aside from the Wilson double save, because we were defensive and they were toothless, devoid of all their creative influences. And I agree they were hanging on in the end, because they couldn't cope when we went 2 up top. Any team at this level can keep the ball well when the other team is sitting off, that we started Bakayoko and Allen that day shows we were happy to chase.

All the other stuff about transfer values, wages, clear at the top of the league, it's football cliche.

Ultimately it comes down to: I think if we had a go a them for longer than 13 minutes their kids would have caved in with enough time for us to win the game, you think they'd have picked us off.
You think it's a point towards 50 for survival, I think it could have been 3 with a different approach 2nd half. Consequently, by the time we get to the end of February I fear we'll be looking back at this easier run of games wishing we could play some of them over again, because in March we'll be playing the bottom 3 with them right up our arse, instead of sitting 6 or 7 points clear of them and knowing a draw is fine. Not sure how our inexperienced young men will cope with that pressure.

 

[clint van damme]

So we should just accept it then?
I want to be CEO of the company I work for (Play in the Premier league) but im currently middle management and should be happy with stagnating as middle management as I started out 3 years ago on the shop floor.

Let's not strive as fans of a once huge, proud top flight club, because were not in the relegation zone (yet) of a league 2 leagues higher than 3 years ago.

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would you expect to be promoted from middle management straight away at the expense of far more experienced better qualified candidates, or would you need to gain experience and learn the ropes first?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

So we should just accept it then?
I want to be CEO of the company I work for (Play in the Premier league) but im currently middle management and should be happy with stagnating as middle management as I started out 3 years ago on the shop floor.

Let's not strive as fans of a once huge, proud top flight club, because were not in the relegation zone (yet) of a league 2 leagues higher than 3 years ago.

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Presumably at the start of this season you thought we would be doing better than we are? A team with the second lowest budget in the division, where do you think we should be?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

You're probably right, I didn't phrase that well - terrible in the context of how they'd been playing earlier in the season and at full strength. They were no better than a bang average Champ team on the day - they lost 3-1 to Luton in the very next game before they got their star players back.

I agree with a lot of what you said there though. They didn't trouble us, aside from the Wilson double save, because we were defensive and they were toothless, devoid of all their creative influences. And I agree they were hanging on in the end, because they couldn't cope when we went 2 up top. Any team at this level can keep the ball well when the other team is sitting off, that we started Bakayoko and Allen that day shows we were happy to chase.

All the other stuff about transfer values, wages, clear at the top of the league, it's football cliche.

Ultimately it comes down to: I think if we had a go a them for longer than 13 minutes their kids would have caved in with enough time for us to win the game, you think they'd have picked us off.
You think it's a point towards 50 for survival, I think it could have been 3 with a different approach 2nd half. Consequently, by the time we get to the end of February I fear we'll be looking back at this easier run of games wishing we could play some of them over again, because in March we'll be playing the bottom 3 with them right up our arse, instead of sitting 6 or 7 points clear of them and knowing a draw is fine. Not sure how our inexperienced young men will cope with that pressure.

I think it's easy to dismiss the monetary value of the players we faced as a cliche if it doesn't suit your argument. Would Chelsea or Man City be at the top of their leagues if they didn't have millions and millions of pounds pumped in? Its the same for Norwich compared to us on a much smaller scale of course. They have better players than we do. They have a much larger squad than we do. We were also without our goalkeeper and our leading striker, a huge disadvantage for a team with a small squad.
You mention they lost to Luton, presumably you think because of their weakened squad. They also lost at home to Derby when they weren't disadvantaged through injuries. Any team can beat any other team on a given day. Who is to say that Luton wouldn't have won anyway? Who is to say we would have got the point or even won if we had gone gung ho from the start?
You say that Norwich 'kids' (didn't they have 6 or 7 established players in the team?) wilted when we went two up front 13 mins from time. Apart from the 5 mins when they got their goal, and despite their possession advantage, I felt we were the team looking most likely to score, a feeling that increased the longer the game went on.
It seems to me Robin's can never win. We were leaking goals like a rusty bucket. He has radically changed that. The argument then is about the difference in the quality of teams before and after the break. Well we drew with Norwich (Yes but they had a weakened team) . We beat Cardiff (Yes but they gifted us the goal).
I'm just pleased that we have a bit of breathing space to allow for results like yesterday and to give hope that we can actually survive.

 

[procdoc]

'Full internationals, top flight experience, league leaders'. You're playing the game on paper that's why it's baffling to you.

It’s baffling because you are completely and utterly wrong

 

[the rumpo kid]

Now I know I’m likely to get dogs abuse for this from some and yes I’m ranting the morning after a defeat but let’s look at the unbeaten run objectively.

Of the 8 games unbeaten we drew 5 of them, 6 of those 8 games were against teams below us in the table and the other 2 were against those in the relegation mix with us.

Yea we were leaking goals before the run and MR had to sure up the leaky defence but we were so so negative in those 8 games. The Rotherham game was absolutely an anomaly, they were asleep for the first 15 and the game was done.

MR’s approach to the games later in the ‘run’ was far far too negative. We had to put far more pressure on Wednesday yesterday. McCallum and Dabo have been anonymous because of this negativity and the space between the midfield and anyone we play up front is frightening, we have created very very little in the last 2 games and we really should be taking the game to the team bottom of the league.

This isn’t moaning for the sake of it and I absolutely have faith in MR, I just wonder if in 6-8 weeks time we’ll look back on this run against the worst teams in the division and think that we should have picked up more, been more aggressive and not set up to draw games 0-0. Go to bournemouth and Watford and set up for that result by all means, not against the teams in the bottom 3.


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When I said the same thing after the Huddersfield game all I got was we didn't loose we haven't lost since blah blah blah, we do have to try and win those type of games especially at home , and we made Wednesday look like they would be challenging for promotion.

 

[cc84cov]

When I said the same thing after the Huddersfield game all I got was we didn't loose we haven't lost since blah blah blah, we do have to try and win those type of games especially at home , and we made Wednesday look like they would be challenging for promotion.

We’ve lacked ambition for weeks

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

We’ve lacked ambition for weeks

I think the ambition is to stay up. I don't think that's lacking ambition. I think that's being realistic.

 

[procdoc]

We’ve lacked ambition for weeks

What do you expect us to do then?

 

[Grendel]

People saying we should have beat Norwich away, they’re top of the league and will probably be there or thereabouts come the end of the season.
Getting a point against them was a good result as not too many teams have managed that. Baffling

It’s stupid

 

[Deleted member 5849]

People saying we should have beat Norwich away, they’re top of the league and will probably be there or thereabouts come the end of the season.
Getting a point against them was a good result as not too many teams have managed that. Baffling

I agree, although if ever there was a time to play them, we got it.

But all this also forgets we've been unlucky in other games as well - it's just balancing out, and we knew we'd find it tough, so can't be surprised when we do find it tough!

 

[cc84cov]

What do you expect us to do then?

Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change it

 

[procdoc]

Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change it

You misunderstood my question. How would you approach games in the championship, knowing that a majority of our team are completely inexperienced at this level?
Leeds went to Man United just now and tried to attack, got absolutely spanked.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

QPR
Forest
Rotherham
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Wednesday
Wycombe

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Wow we are going well!!!

 

[clint van damme]

Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change it

He got it wrong yesterday. But on the whole he/we are doing ok.
You said in multiple posts on the expectations thread that survival was the goal so you must be happy with where we are overall?

 

[Grendel]

Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change it

They didn’t win the game as he made changes. They won it because of a dodgy clearance from the keeper that resulted in a free kick. Then looking at it again another poor decision by the keeper to not come out for the cross

 

[Hobo]

I don't think the tactics were necessarilly negative yesterday. Yes the players may have put in a lacklustre performance and failed to get forward especially in the first half.

I dont think it was down to tactics - just a failure to make the system work.

 

[cc84cov]

He got it wrong yesterday. But on the whole he/we are doing ok.
You said in multiple posts on the expectations thread that survival was the goal so you must be happy with where we are overall?

Yes fair point it’s more the fact we could have more points had we Been a little more positive in games with changes made at better times etc

 

[PVA]

One bad result in 9 games and the meltdowns are ridiculous!

(not the OP, he makes some sensible points).

I really dread coming on this board after a defeat!

 

[Johhny Blue]

It’s bad enough after a win

 

[SBAndy]

He got it wrong yesterday. But on the whole he/we are doing ok.
You said in multiple posts on the expectations thread that survival was the goal so you must be happy with where we are overall?

I think survival is the goal, but having seen some of the teams we’re fighting with down the bottom end of the table I think there’s enough to suggest we could be up a fair few places clear of relegation if we were a bit more confident about it. You’ve then also got the fact that we could do with giving ourselves a cushion of safety when playing the poorer teams so that when we have our tougher run we have a little more comfort.

The Barnsley fella did warn us about this, though.

 

[Evo1883]

So we should just accept it then?
I want to be CEO of the company I work for (Play in the Premier league) but im currently middle management and should be happy with stagnating as middle management as I started out 3 years ago on the shop floor.

Let's not strive as fans of a once huge, proud top flight club, because were not in the relegation zone (yet) of a league 2 leagues higher than 3 years ago.

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To be fair... This isn't the same, we are happy to be where we are because our wgae bill won't take us much further if at all... Huddersfield had a 63 million pound wage bill in 2019 as an example of what were up against... Most teams in this league have players on 20/30k a week... Sure we can strive to be better but I'm afraid that process will probably take 2-3 seasons of gradually building up the squad.

Technically with our history aside, we are punching... We can ofcourse play better more fluid attacking football ... But at what cost?
Fans would argue that Robins hadn't adapted to the league and kept us playing a way that wasn't getting results, it's like he can't win to be fair

Fans want to stay up, now that we are 6 off relegation they want more... Maybe the acceptance of simply staying up is still where their mindset needs to be and we wouldn't be questioning Wether going 8 unbeaten in a season that requires us to just stay up wouldn't be questioned as being good enough or not

 

[Evo1883]

Besides 1 or 2 players... This is very much the team that won league 1... They are doing well