Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Just saw this. No context so don't shoot me down.
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (176 Viewers)
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fernandopartridge
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The Manchester Nightingale as I stated way back in April or May is only meant for step down care from ICU, either people fit enough to recover or, more likely, palliative care for people who won't make it.
Even with specialist staff these places cannot look after critically ill patients, it's not just an ICU nurse who looks after somebody, large array of staff from across the hospital in the MDT.
Even with specialist staff these places cannot look after critically ill patients, it's not just an ICU nurse who looks after somebody, large array of staff from across the hospital in the MDT.
fernandopartridge
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Why have you posted it here then?
fernandopartridge
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People under 60 still get ill, just because they don't die doesn't mean they do not end up in hospital.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Because it is a thread about coronavirus.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That isn't my point.
The virus is largely harmless to the majority of the population.
cowboy1850
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My wife works for the NHS but not on the "frontline". Some of the things she shows me are a bit surprising.
I'm not knocking the NHS.... but it's a shame tax payers money is definitely being wasted on some people who are not focused on their work or seemingly uncaring about their lack of professionalism.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It is reckoned that if you vaccinate the 9 groups identified as a priority for receiving it you effectively eliminate hospitalisations. Below those groups other diseases become just as if not slightly more dangerous. If I get flu I will be out for a week, if I get COVID there’s a strong chance I won’t realise.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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To be honest if I was in hospital I would tell them to pull the plug so I could avoid having to witness that first hand.
fernandopartridge
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You were talking about hospital capacity
Wyken Sky Blue
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David O'Day
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Are some people really getting upset because some people in a very stressful job sometimes have a bit of fun at work?
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Some mover's on that and I'd like to identify the tune lol.
Could simply be a mood,motivational exercise before going on shift,who knows?
Sky Blue Pete
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No staff - massive waste of money
Sky Blue Pete
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Nick loves these
Sky Blue Pete
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South African strain sounds interesting
I think Fernandos explanation is more accurate. My understanding is that they aren’t there to care for those severely ill but can act as an overflow for patients....rather than having situations like abroad early in the pandemic when there were patients in corridors etc. Or I presume to also minimise a repeat of elderly patients being cleared out of hospital back into care homes without proper testing etc. Very much a last resort but better than the alternative so not as big a waste as some may believe
Ps that’s not to say there’s not staff shortages. 30k+ of nursing vacancies indicates that !
LastGarrison
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I hear 400 people went for a lateral flow test yesterday morning in Cov and 11 tested positive despite being asymptomatic.
You can see how this thing could absolutely rip around the UK even further following the Christmas bubbles!
Surely has to be another national lockdown in January?
You can see how this thing could absolutely rip around the UK even further following the Christmas bubbles!
Surely has to be another national lockdown in January?
100%
One bit of slightly more positive news. A mate was saying a vaccination site in the NW was slick/impressive. Need the AZ/Oxford vaccine to be approved, ideally asap (I know I keep banging on about it but assuming it works on all the new variants it’s main hope for a quick return to ‘normality’). Would be a massive boost to national morale as there are limits to current vaccine programme
Edit - I’m getting a feeling that we’ve got this extra transmissible strain when there is massive lockdown fatigue. Not a good combo
LastGarrison
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Definitely and UHCW’s is also now all set up and ready to go which should hopefully speed up the roll out of the vaccination process around here and especially if as predicted the AZ/Oxford one gets its approval by the end of the year.
It does seem thoroughly shit at the moment and I think January is going to be even worse (is dry Jan a good thing this time around?
) but we all have to be hopeful that these vaccines work and get to the most vulnerable as soon as possible and things can naturally start to ease up.Second half of 2021 could be potentially a fucking fantastic 6 month party!!
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What constitutes an underlying condition?
Wyken Sky Blue
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Things that annoy you
Sat in the office tired and bored, so here goes... People who spell lose as "loose" and vice versa
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chiefdave
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Depends who you want to believe, either a PR stunt as there's no staff or not needed as hospitals haven't been overwhelmed.
There was a press report months ago that hospitals in London had been referring patients only to be turned down. Think it might have been the Guardian. They claimed to have seen paperwork from multiple hospitals showing patients being turned away due to staffing issues.
The Department of Health then gave a Fisher-esque statement saying it was normal business practice to turn patients away from a hospital with masses of free capacity.
Apparently the London one alone needed over 15K additional staff, no idea what the plan was to get those sort of numbers in.
chiefdave
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Needs a lot more work but there are studies out there that show a decent percentage of asymptomatic cases have heart and lung damage after recovery. How that will impact on long term health is an unknown at the moment.
chiefdave
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There was a doctor on the radio months ago who named three common conditions that in general didn't impact day to day life but would be considered an underlying condition, claimed you were talking about well over half the population with just those (was being overweight, asthma and something else I can't remember - maybe high blood pressure), then add in the elderly and other underlying conditions and the percentage of the population you have left starts shrinking rapidly.
They break underlying conditions down on one of the PHE deaths spreadsheet I think (or certainly used to) but then lump a load in ‘other’ which includes obesity but not sure what else. I actually emailed them to ask what else was included, as I’m dull like that, but from memory basically they said the level of information received from the trusts was inconsistent so they couldn’t break it down further for the spreadsheet - fair enough really, probably got far better things to do !!!
ps I’ve said before that there should’ve been a massive push on exercise and fitness as some of the underlying conditions could be improved by people being more active thereby hopefully reducing impact of virus
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Grendel
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What is a decent percentage?
fernandopartridge
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High blood pressure, obesity to name but two very common conditions
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m yet to be convinced by those but willing to change my view once a consensus emerges.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Definitely and UHCW’s is also now all set up and ready to go which should hopefully speed up the roll out of the vaccination process around here and especially if as predicted the AZ/Oxford one gets its approval by the end of the year.
It does seem thoroughly shit at the moment and I think January is going to be even worse (is dry Jan a good thing this time around?
Second half of 2021 could be potentially a fucking fantastic 6 month party!!
Organise my stag if you like, Dom’s gone off the radar
shmmeee
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How dare people have a break on what’s actually an average salary for doctors in the US? I hope they’re all sent to the gulag. No wait, that’s the other loons, where do we send these ones again?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Ben Sheaf‘s ‘Don’t Smile On The Job’ training video
shmmeee
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60% or so medium term in this study: Medium-term impact of COVID-19 revealed in new study | University of Oxford
Brighton Sky Blue
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No asymptomatic patients in that study?