stupot07
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I thought so.
You could also argue he is fouled a lot as he holds onto the ball too long at times.
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You could also argue he is fouled a lot as he holds onto the ball too long at times.
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The Philosopher
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O’Hare often ends up doing a great move and then running into a cul-de-sac and losing the ball.
Often because he doesn’t have another midfielder bursting forward to take the pass that would be otherwise on. Result: loses the ball.
Allen would be the obvious choice but I’m afraid (I feel) he doesn’t “read” the game well at this level.
Hamer sits a little deep and Sheaf (who knows).
Walsh would last year.
The striker(S) sit high and are blocked from the through ball / are not quick enough to run on.
O’Hare will be great in the right set up.
He’s a “runner” (watch Japanese football) that needs to play along side a proper box to box or with a striker that sits on the defence shoulder and times his run.
Robins was that type of player as was mcnulty - possible why MR sets up this way.
Baka is quick but not wired up correctly to make the right run but possibly was chosen by MR to do that role. Only reason I can see why he plays him. Anyway. I’ll stop rambling on.
Often because he doesn’t have another midfielder bursting forward to take the pass that would be otherwise on. Result: loses the ball.
Allen would be the obvious choice but I’m afraid (I feel) he doesn’t “read” the game well at this level.
Hamer sits a little deep and Sheaf (who knows).
Walsh would last year.
The striker(S) sit high and are blocked from the through ball / are not quick enough to run on.
O’Hare will be great in the right set up.
He’s a “runner” (watch Japanese football) that needs to play along side a proper box to box or with a striker that sits on the defence shoulder and times his run.
Robins was that type of player as was mcnulty - possible why MR sets up this way.
Baka is quick but not wired up correctly to make the right run but possibly was chosen by MR to do that role. Only reason I can see why he plays him. Anyway. I’ll stop rambling on.
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Or maybe he is fouled a lot because other teams see him as the main threat. Some of this criticism is really unfair. He's still got a lot to learn and sometimes needs to slow things down a bit but his contribution to the team is really important.
clint van damme
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You need 5o write to Robins mate.
I don't think it's occurred to him or anyone else that to push up the table we need Championship quality players.
I think you might be on to something.
I bet you've got some really good suggestions on how to fund churning over half the squad as well.
Frostie
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No worries, glad someone likes them I know stats are a massive turn off for some!
Key Passes at 0.5 does stick out as very low. You could make an argument that this output is low due to not having good options or because he's fouled before he gets chance to play the pass but he also ranks in the Championship's Top 10 for both times he is dispossessed & also times he takes a bad touch/fails to control the ball.
Key Passes for comparison:
Hamer 1.8 (set pieces major contributor)
Giles 1
Godden 0.8
Allen 0.7
Sheaf 0.6
Kelly 0.6
Biamou, Pask & O'Hare all 0.5
0.5 Key Passes per game would be tied for 166th in the Championship but, as with Hamer, it's quite heavily weighted toward set piece takers.
Buendia is a level above with 3.3, there's a handful with over 2.
If you look at those that aren't regular set piece takers the likes of Harvey Elliott (2.1), Ilias Chair (2.0) Ovie Ejaria (1.6) & Conor Chaplin (1.5) set the standard.
I certainly think it's an area he should be looking to improve.
Sick Boy
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We’d pretty much need a whole new squad to push into the top half of the table. We need to start by clearing out the deadwood like Biamou and Baka this summer - it’d take several seasons of progression for us to compete in the top half - the players you’ve identified are the least of our concerns for now.
stupot07
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No worries, glad someone likes them I know stats are a massive turn off for some!
Key Passes at 0.5 does stick out as very low. You could make an argument that this output is low due to not having good options or because he's fouled before he gets chance to play the pass but he also ranks in the Championship's Top 10 for both times he is dispossessed & also times he takes a bad touch/fails to control the ball.
Key Passes for comparison:
Hamer 1.8 (set pieces major contributor)
Giles 1
Godden 0.8
Allen 0.7
Sheaf 0.6
Kelly 0.6
Biamou, Pask & O'Hare all 0.5
0.5 Key Passes per game would be tied for 166th in the Championship but, as with Hamer, it's quite heavily weighted toward set piece takers.
Buendia is a level above with 3.3, there's a handful with over 2.
If you look at those that aren't regular set piece takers the likes of Harvey Elliott (2.1), Ilias Chair (2.0) Ovie Ejaria (1.6) & Conor Chaplin (1.5) set the standard.
I certainly think it's an area he should be looking to improve.
Are you sure set pieces count as key passes? I'm not sure they do, but happy to be proven wrong. Hamer certainly takes more than 1.8 corners or attacking freekicks a game plus creates chances on top of that. The definition on opta say it is the final pass or pass-come-shots that result in the recipient having a shot.
If you could pick one attacking midfielder/number 10 that would be good to use as a comparison who would you choose?
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Frostie
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That's right so if a Hamer corner or free kick leads to a direct effort on goal that would be a Key Pass. Conversely the Hamer corners to the back post for Østigård to head back across for teammates for example wouldn't be included as Key Passes as there is another pass required before an attempt at goal.
Believe it or not Swansea wing-back Connor Roberts is actually 2nd in Key Passes with 2.2 per game due to the exceptional quality crosses he puts in. Swansea use their wing-backs incredibly well, both Roberts & Bidwell have 4 assists each.
Picking an individual for an O'Hare comparison is tricky as he's quite a unique player. It would really need to be somebody else from one of the lesser teams as the top teams naturally create more & the bigger problem is almost nobody plays the same system as us.
I guess somebody like Jon Toral at Blues is somebody he could learn bits from. O'Hare is much more nimble & creates opportunities by getting beyond the striker, into the box etc. but he could definitely learn a bit from his creativity & decision making when in possession around the penalty area.
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Johhny Blue
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Do you have stats to show who passed to the player that won the corner?