Nonleagueherewecome
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Incidentally, it was the loss of Thomas that made my Dad give up his S.T!
Do We Think SISU Are Changing? (3 Viewers)
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Skybluefaz
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Football has eaten itself
torchomatic
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Agreed, my point was our record of not being able to keep hold of good players. Our good players have always become "great" after they've left us.
torchomatic
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skyblueinBaku
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No. They are incompetent and uncaring; out for a quick buck, that's all. They may have realised that relegation from the Championship was a direct result of their actions (and inactions) and so the reduction in revenue next season will be a self inflicted wound. Perhaps they will have learned something from that, and try to make less crass decisions now (but the news about Bigi seems to indicate the contrary). At best, Sisu have become a little less incompetent. But changed? NO
Otis
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Have Sisu changed? On what we know so far, not at all.
We were painfully short last season and will be even more so this based on what's happened so far.
Let's see how many more they bring in. Still time yet, though it seems to me that we now need at least another 5 heading this way.
We were painfully short last season and will be even more so this based on what's happened so far.
Let's see how many more they bring in. Still time yet, though it seems to me that we now need at least another 5 heading this way.
skyblue1523
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This is going to keep happening with the new rules the bigger clubs can cherry pick the young talent from various clubs and pay peanuts. The money from sky should be split up better between the leagues but that would never happen.
bulkoskyblue
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Ha ha no chance are they changing. Weve lost Cranie, Mcpake, Clingan, for nothing. Norwood and Nimely too will have freed up wages. Bigi will go for an 'undisclosed' fee of £500k, with Keogh to follow for a similar amount. We had a wafer thin squad last season yet its still more out than in.
Fleck looks a promising signing, but was slated by Blackpool last season. Elliott scored 4 in 40 i believe in the pub league, and Zinedine Kilbane will be injured within 3 or 4 games, this season HH.
Just a poor attempt to paper over the cracks and sell a few more season tickets.
Fleck looks a promising signing, but was slated by Blackpool last season. Elliott scored 4 in 40 i believe in the pub league, and Zinedine Kilbane will be injured within 3 or 4 games, this season HH.
Just a poor attempt to paper over the cracks and sell a few more season tickets.
torchomatic
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Why do people go on about "losing" Cranie and Clingan? They were offered new deals which they turned down.
SkyBlueScottie
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Its not all that black and white though is it, as quitre right pointd out Clingan, Cranie McPake were "allowed" to leave for nothing, however it was Sisu that bought them in the 1st place, it will be interesting to see where they and many other "frees' end up as I would imagine thats quite a competitive market at the moment, would a chamoionship club be happy to pay Clingan what he was getting here?
The list of clubs that can offer pay rises to players in the championship must now be getting smaller and smaller, and you are probably only guarenteed a pay rise if you go to the premiership, I cant see that happening for Clingan, perhaps for Cranie with him being young versatile he could potentially end up being thought of as a squad player for a newly promoted team. There is a monumental shift going on in the Championship and lower leagues, we are seeing team which have not burdened themselves with huge costs finding it harder and harder to compete without decent inverstment, where as smaller less bloated clubs are on the rise, and have no huge overheads as such to cover. The club ultimately needs to be run well, there are signs of this such as the marketing / the kit / the Sky Blue revolution, but unless we find the golden egg it will take an amount of time before we can even think of starting to spend money in the hope of giving it a challenge.
The list of clubs that can offer pay rises to players in the championship must now be getting smaller and smaller, and you are probably only guarenteed a pay rise if you go to the premiership, I cant see that happening for Clingan, perhaps for Cranie with him being young versatile he could potentially end up being thought of as a squad player for a newly promoted team. There is a monumental shift going on in the Championship and lower leagues, we are seeing team which have not burdened themselves with huge costs finding it harder and harder to compete without decent inverstment, where as smaller less bloated clubs are on the rise, and have no huge overheads as such to cover. The club ultimately needs to be run well, there are signs of this such as the marketing / the kit / the Sky Blue revolution, but unless we find the golden egg it will take an amount of time before we can even think of starting to spend money in the hope of giving it a challenge.
flammablepiss
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Not really. We've just been a bit luckier. Cranie is a big let down... Keogh i'm hoping we will keep til January like we did with Juke. BUT REALLY... Has SISU changed? NO! All you have to do is look at the amount they have spent. Kilbane=Free Fleck=Free (almost anyway) Elliott=FREE.... That is probably still less in terms of wages than the 3 loan players we had last season not to mention we've lost a few too. Maybe if they bring in 3 more i'll let them off their leash a couple more centimetres.
torchomatic
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BurbageSkyBlues
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just my opinion, of course, but for what it's worth......
I do not think SISU are changing - but they have had to adapt their tactics.
They want to sell our players that are worth something. The problem is, that the squad is so small, that further release of players means we would not have a squad to put out on match days. That means that if they sell someone (eg GB,RK etc), they need to replace them (with cheaper options, presumably). In order to do that, they have had to submit the accounts, to get the embargo lifted. I also suspect that this activity may have been a pre-requisite to any progress on the Ricoh ownership talks - ie the council have said 'prove that you have the club's interests at heart, before we even consider selling'.
We all understand the necessity to operate within our means. The problem is, that we do not know what our means are....due to the convenience that the latest accounts are always 12 months out of date - we need to see what our operating costs were for 2011-2012. There were many big wage earners in 2010/11, that were not there by 2012 - so we are blind to the current running costs and income for this season. For all we know, we could have been at break even by the end of the season, had we stayed up.
Let's rephrase the question slightly....... ' who, on here, would trust their pension fund to SISU, for investment/management...?'
I know my answer.
I do not think SISU are changing - but they have had to adapt their tactics.
They want to sell our players that are worth something. The problem is, that the squad is so small, that further release of players means we would not have a squad to put out on match days. That means that if they sell someone (eg GB,RK etc), they need to replace them (with cheaper options, presumably). In order to do that, they have had to submit the accounts, to get the embargo lifted. I also suspect that this activity may have been a pre-requisite to any progress on the Ricoh ownership talks - ie the council have said 'prove that you have the club's interests at heart, before we even consider selling'.
We all understand the necessity to operate within our means. The problem is, that we do not know what our means are....due to the convenience that the latest accounts are always 12 months out of date - we need to see what our operating costs were for 2011-2012. There were many big wage earners in 2010/11, that were not there by 2012 - so we are blind to the current running costs and income for this season. For all we know, we could have been at break even by the end of the season, had we stayed up.
Let's rephrase the question slightly....... ' who, on here, would trust their pension fund to SISU, for investment/management...?'
I know my answer.
Torch can you ever recall an Era where the club have shipped 18 players summer to summer bringing in 9 including two goalies ,three youth players,selling three<keogh is not included in this but likely.
torchomatic
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SISU changed ? No chance. They are just grabbing what they can while they can, any Bigi and/or Keogh fee will just about get them through the close season, a third of those fees are owed out to ACL. SISU are finished, no revenue coming in and the prospect of almost a 50% drop in home attendences and a massive drop from away fans.
Let 'em Bleed.
In Hoffman I Trust
Let 'em Bleed.
In Hoffman I Trust
torchomatic
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Yawn...Do you have one paragraph that you copy and paste on every thread*?
*Like I do.
*Like I do.
Nope - they are doing what they have done since taking over the boardroom last year: Balancing the books. It's their main priority as they see it as the only way to keep the club alive. There are new players in, but I bet you the overall wage bill will be significantly slimmer than last season.
It will be interesting to see if they get the £1.2m/yr rent reduced as well.
castlevaleskyblue
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Does seem like he's been posting the same crap for months, if we are supposed to trust Hoffman why isn't he doing anything? Is it part of the plan to have no players left
Wage bill as it stands is around somewhere around £2-2.3m. lower not withstanding new recruits,Fixed cost savings possibly £0.5m.Bigi £1m.,need another £1.5m.approx.
Maybe selling Keogh can bring in most of that.
In the close season of 83/84 we got rid of about 10 players, thats including Garry Thompson who left just before the end of that season, difference was Bobby Gould was allowed to bring in replacements. SISU don't seem to grasp if you sell players they normally need replacing. We needed atleast 4 players when the season ended since then around 7 have are left or intend to, to me that makes a need for 11 newcommers, to compete.
In time you will all be eating humble pie, lets see what you say then.
In Hoffman I Trust
Humble pie can actually taste very sweet. You should try it.
bulkingtonskyblues
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just 38 league goals last season and 19 of them from players who have since left us, one simple question to the new sisu loverrs? where are the goals coming from? can see another dismal season unless we bring a striker, a midfielder and a winger in who can score goals
covcity4life
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i think sisu keep an eye on these board and general fan response, they will know up till today they were winning some fans back and now they have lost them already
thus i now expect 2-3 signins next week!
thus i now expect 2-3 signins next week!
1nilandwe...
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You're sticking your neck above the parapet there my friend. You'll probably be able to just lower it again and carry on as normal, but you may just get your head blown off.
There are a lot of sides in League One who are just as good (or bad) as each other. Nothing is a formality.