Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (206 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

'I don't know what's in it', OK then look it up, if no internet it'll be in any newspaper right now.

What would it mean to the average man in the street anyway even if they did have a list of ingredients?
I don't know what was on.my BCG, my tetanus, and don't give a fuck. I know I haven't died of TB so I'm over the moon about that!

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

What would it mean to the average man in the street anyway even if they did have a list of ingredients?
I don't know what was on.my BCG, my tetanus, and don't give a fuck. I know I haven't died of TB so I'm over the moon about that!

In this case it's not difficult, just a weakened form of a virus that your body uses to make protection against the real McCoy. Got some Asian communities falsely believing there's cow derivatives in it so refusing to take it. Just because the word 'vaccine' derives from 'cow' doesn't mean that all vaccines are made from it! Aaaargh!

 

[clint van damme]

In this case it's not difficult, just a weakened form of a virus that your body uses to make protection against the real McCoy. Got some Asian communities falsely believing there's cow derivatives in it so refusing to take it. Just because the word 'vaccine' derives from 'cow' doesn't mean that all vaccines are made from it! Aaaargh!

I just think any one saying I don't know what's in it im not taking it is just being an arse.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So many levels of WTF

Covid: Friends fined for 68-mile drive to visit McDonald's - BBC News

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Vaccines wise, up to 3.51 million today, 320,000 up on the previous day.

 

[clint van damme]

So many levels of WTF

Covid: Friends fined for 68-mile drive to visit McDonald's - BBC News

Why didn't they just get one delivered?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why didn't they just get one delivered?

That's what I was thinking?

 

[Nick]

We're not stopping our lives for them.

We pretty much are and have been for nearly a year.

(Apart from when it was decided people in London (the same London now begging other hospitals to help them) could have a jolly to the Theatre)

As I've said, there's more chance of me personally dying from cancer than being hospitalised by COVID. Yeah a 72 year old or somebody with a health condition might be completely different, so they should stay in doors.

Yeah it is selfish but when life is on hold for the vast majority to protect a tiny minority there gets to a point where it's over the top.

 

[Nick]

So many levels of WTF

Covid: Friends fined for 68-mile drive to visit McDonald's - BBC News

Yeah it's a catchy headline but it's naive to think this isn't going on everywhere.

As I said, go sit by a DIY shop like B&Q or Screwfix and see just how needed the stuff is they are coming out with. I see it every day on my way to work.

Still, you can have 15 people in the same room for a group for new parents so what's the issue with 4 in a car?

 

[Grendel]

We pretty much are and have been for nearly a year.

(Apart from when it was decided people in London (the same London now begging other hospitals to help them) could have a jolly to the Theatre)

As I've said, there's more chance of me personally dying from cancer than being hospitalised by COVID. Yeah a 72 year old or somebody with a health condition might be completely different, so they should stay in doors.

Yeah it is selfish but when life is on hold for the vast majority to protect a tiny minority there gets to a point where it's over the top.

so why doesn’t the whole population under 70 stay in isolation until the virus goes and arrest anyone under 70 going out the house.

then the over 70s could have freedom

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah it's a catchy headline but it's naive to think this isn't going on everywhere.

As I said, go sit by a DIY shop like B&Q or Screwfix and see just how needed the stuff is they are coming out with. I see it every day on my way to work.

Still, you can have 15 people in the same room for a group for new parents so what's the issue with 4 in a car?

I don't doubt it's happening elsewhere, it's just a funny story.

 

[Nick]

so why doesn’t the whole population under 70 stay in isolation until the virus goes and arrest anyone under 70 going out the house.

then the over 70s could have freedom

Because the over 70's won't be on the checkouts in Tesco or the garden centres, will they?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

so why doesn’t the whole population under 70 stay in isolation until the virus goes and arrest anyone under 70 going out the house.

then the over 70s could have freedom

You keep ignoring that we did devote time to locking students indoors across the country and you agreed it was farcical

 

[Grendel]

You keep ignoring that we did devote time to locking students indoors across the country and you agreed it was farcical

I don’t ignore that at all and frankly depriving a 20 year old against someone near the end of their life of some freedom is no comparison

 

[Grendel]

Because the over 70's won't be on the checkouts in Tesco or the garden centres, will they?

well actually some will be

 

[clint van damme]

We pretty much are and have been for nearly a year.

(Apart from when it was decided people in London (the same London now begging other hospitals to help them) could have a jolly to the Theatre)

As I've said, there's more chance of me personally dying from cancer than being hospitalised by COVID. Yeah a 72 year old or somebody with a health condition might be completely different, so they should stay in doors.

Yeah it is selfish but when life is on hold for the vast majority to protect a tiny minority there gets to a point where it's over the top.

We're not doing it for any particular age group at all. Its nonsense. We're doing it for everyone's sake and the sake of the NHS.

And look at post by Shmmeee and Evo who have both had people who I'd class as young admitted to hospital. And 5he article on Sky news today with the doctor saying they are seeing increasingly young people admitted.
Everyone can come up with examples of old people acting the twat and try and do it to score a point.
In my experience all the old people I know are doing things by the letter but that's only a small number as well.

And I'd have a bit more sympathy with the we're doing it for the old argument if we hadn't been removing covid patients from hospital.
Edit - meant to add, and putting them.in homes.

This trying to point fingers at certain groups isn't helpful in my opinion.

 

[Grendel]

We’ve had more Covid outbreaks at work and tracing the source back its - surprise surprise - people well under 70 flouting any guidance whatsoever

 

[Nick]

well actually some will be

Ok so the whole population stays at home and the over 70s who will be majority retired can go to work? Happy days.

 

[Grendel]

Ok so the whole population stays at home and the over 70s who will be majority retired can go to work? Happy days.

but you can go to work and then just go home again it’s not that big a deal for a few more months

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Arrests at Birmingham anti-lockdown protest - BBC News

Police had warned people against gathering but said nearly 150 people "chose to ignore our pleas".

www.google.co.uk

 

[Nick]

We're not doing it for any particular age group at all. Its nonsense. We're doing it for everyone's sake and the sake of the NHS.

Yeah and what's the hospitalisation rates for over 70's for example and under 30's?

Pretty sure the NHS would be protected more of Doris wasn't browsing Tescos.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t ignore that at all and frankly depriving a 20 year old against someone near the end of their life of some freedom is no comparison

We have also kept people out of school for extended periods in order to break the transmission chain, the general trend is that most people have followed the restrictions set. I don't agree with Nick's suggestion, for the record

 

[Nick]

but you can go to work and then just go home again it’s not that big a deal for a few more months

But what happens when the over 70 then has to be served by an under 70?

The point is, if the majority of them are retired they don't need to go to work do they? Then it's much easier for them to not leave the house.

 

[clint van damme]

Yeah and what's the hospitalisation rates for over 70's for example and under 30's?

Pretty sure the NHS would be protected more of Doris wasn't browsing Tescos.

Mixing at Christmas is a known factor in the increase in cases. Do you think that was just the over 70s?

Putting London in tier 2 was a huge mistake, when they upped it to tier 4 and people fled the Capital in droves were they all over 70?

Trying to blame one group mistake you feel better but it's wide of the mark.

 

[Grendel]

But what happens when the over 70 then has to be served by an under 70?

The point is, if the majority of them are retired they don't need to go to work do they? Then it's much easier for them to not leave the house.

What about other groups that are at risk - say an obese diabetic black man with high blood pressure? Should he be under house arrest?

 

[Nick]

What about other groups that are at risk - say an obese diabetic black man with high blood pressure? Should he be under house arrest?

Yes and on a treadmill and a diet.

 

[Nick]

Mixing at Christmas is a known factor in the increase in cases. Do you think that was just the over 70s?

Putting London in tier 2 was a huge mistake, when they upped it to tier 4 and people fled the Capital in droves were they all over 70?

Trying to blame one group mistake you feel better but it's wide of the mark.

I'm on about the majority hospitalisation and strain on NHS.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

We're not stopping our lives for them.
And yes, anybody, of any age, who is flaunting the rules needs to get a grip and start doing what they're told.

I haven’t hugged my parents in months, my kids are unable to do their extra curricular groups. But we’re not stopping our lives are we!

 

[clint van damme]

I'm on about the majority hospitalisation and strain on NHS.

What anout them? There is no evidence that that is a result of feckless over 70s. But obviously over 70s are more likely to be hospitalised.

look how many cases come from care homes. They were returning covid patients from hospital to care homes. That lead to a massive spread. Care homes is still a huge source of cases going by the graph someone posted on here the other day. How that happens I don't know. The care home my mother in law is in has been strictly locked down for months.
No visitors no day release

 

[clint van damme]

I haven’t hugged my parents in months, my kids are unable to do their extra curricular groups. But we’re not stopping our lives are we!

I said we're not stopping them for the over 70s, not that we're not stopping them, Its quite clear if you read my post.
If it makes you feel better to blame one age group with absolutely no evidence other than someone saw some pensioners in a chip shop then crack on.

 

[Grendel]

I'm on about the majority hospitalisation and strain on NHS.

many are under 70 and most over would not have caught in tesco or a drive in McDonald’s but indirectly involving moronic actions by people younger who are not at risk

 

[Nick]

What anout them? There is no evidence that that is a result of feckless over 70s. But obviously over 70s are more likely to be hospitalised.

look how many cases come from care homes. They were returning covid patients from hospital to care homes. That lead to a massive spread. Care homes is still a huge source of cases going by the graph someone posted on here the other day. How that happens I don't know. The care home my mother in law is in has been strictly locked down for months.
No visitors no day release

I didn't say they were feckless, I said the majority are over 70.

Either them or their family members visiting being feckless for them to get it...

Obviously care home situations different where they are around it.

Are we saying now that under 40s would be at the same risk as over 70s if there wasn't the care home situation? It's fact, that age group are more likely to be hospitalised.... Then strain on the NHS.

Not saying those under won't be hospitalised at all, they will. Just a hell of a lot less of them.

 

[Grendel]

I didn't say they were feckless, I said the majority are over 70.

Either them or their family members visiting being feckless for them to get it...

Obviously care home situations different.

i think admissions in hospital now are not weighted as heavily to that age group

 

[Nick]

i think admissions in hospital now are not weighted as heavily to that age group

What are the breakdowns?

 

[clint van damme]

many are under 70 and most over would not have caught in tesco or a drive in McDonald’s but indirectly involving moronic actions by people younger who are not at risk

The increase in hospitalization in the 45 - 59 and 60 - 74 age groups is quite grim.