Loan players (5 Viewers)
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stay_up_skyblues
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One of Giles or Sam depending on who starts I imagine.
lord_garrincha
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They are giving Sheaf Kastaneer's shirt and are hoping the refs don't cotton on.
Alkhen
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Well harsh, Giles has been decent especially going forward. Definitely contributed more than a few points with his early season assists. Do agree he'll be the one dropped though. Think we will miss him off the bench mind, not all that many options to change things
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There much i like about Giles but I don't agree that he's our most effective attacking player. A few good runs and crosses early on true, such as against QPR and Norwich, but since then he has been reluctant to go forward. Also his shooting is poor. There were a number of occasions when he should have scored but he missed or shot really tamely.
Dabo is much more effective going forward from wing back, and arguably McCallum too. And obviously Hamer and O'Hare are better going forward.
Dabo is much more effective going forward from wing back, and arguably McCallum too. And obviously Hamer and O'Hare are better going forward.
shmmeee
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The stats say very differently.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Most likely one of Giles or Sam, most of the time Giles. may also see Sheaf miss out occassionally when kelly is back as I'd like to see Kelly and james together and Sheaf's game isn't suited to playing more advanced IMO. Hamer's i think is.
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Depends what stats you use.
How about goals for example:
Hamer 4
O'Hare 2
McCallum 1
Giles 0
Dabo wasn't fit early on so that affects his stats.
How about goals for example:
Hamer 4
O'Hare 2
McCallum 1
Giles 0
Dabo wasn't fit early on so that affects his stats.
AFCCOVENTRY
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I would let Giles go back to Wolves and recall Mason. Then getting another attacking player on a free transfer if possible.
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I feel Sheaf is becoming increasingly important and improving too and doubt he will be left out often. I really like Kelly but suspect it is either him or James.
stay_up_skyblues
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I wouldn’t send Giles back. He’ll start in the odd game where we go primarily attacking, as has been the case all season. He’s superior to Mason going forwards.
lord_garrincha
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It doesn't... Unless it is the Kassam Stadium... Dabo won't score.
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Tend to agree. Think the step up has come a season too early for Giles. If he stays i would love to be proved wrong. Potentially he is a really good player.
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But he creates
Samo
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So which loan would you leave out of the match-day squad? Something has to give.
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Can't believe we are even debating who is better out of Gikes and Dabo
stay_up_skyblues
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Either Sam or Giles depending on whether we are going attacking from the off or not.
In practice, one of the loans will probably be injured/fatigued or rotated half the time.
stupot07
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It will probably be Sheaf. Even if you leave one of Giles or McCallum out, they get injured 5 minutes in, who's going left wingback?
Leave sheaf out you've got hamer and James definitely starting, o'hare, shippley, Allen, eccles and bapaga all competing to start or get on the bench.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Did consider that but I assume that would use up the rest of the budget and thus mean bringing in another loan would be unaffordable unless we didn't pay their wages. unlikely to happen.
Unless we can make an agreement to make a small down payment now with the rest next season or spread out. But also have to consider would we then be paying more to the player as a permanent signing than a loanee?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Kelly has proven instrumental in terms of results and leadership, and james also has much more experience. You'd want both playing IMO. Sheaf has a mistake in him at times, taking too much time on the ball which he will iron out over time.
Either may need a rest at some point and Sheaf will step in and it makes more sense to leave out one of the two LWB's as neither are likely to play at the same time. It'd just remove the option of being able to replace them if they were playing poorly. Which I guess we could call mason back for that possibility but he's an out and out LB so not entirely suitable.
stupot07
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Chance creation/attacking Stats per 90 mins comparison.
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Greggs
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Any defensive stats?????Chance creation/attacking Stats per 90 mins comparison.
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Frostie
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Dacosta
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So equal games. Both 1 assist. McCallum one goal, Giles none.Chance creation/attacking Stats per 90 mins comparison.
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And McCallum is much better defensively.
stupot07
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Yeah i'll add them. I was really responding to Herts who said Giles wasn't an attacking threat, then used goals scored as the measure.
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stupot07
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But Giles creates more chances, puts in more crosses, and more or the ball in the opposition half. Not his fault if strikers/o'hare miss them.
No one has disputed thay McCallum is better defensively, just that we shouldn't just discard Giles as he is one of most effective attacking outlets.
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cov donkey kick
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I was thinking when he signed it was reported dacosta could play both flanks.
Also attacking wise think bapaga will be involved more regularly.
hill83
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I mean it could be if it’s wild crosses into nobody. Stats are good but they can be tweaked to offer any argument.
Is there a was about to whip it in but noticed Godden was isolated up against two 6 foot defenders so decided to keep the ball instead stat?
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better days
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With Wolves just giving Giles a 5 year deal can't see them allowing him to stay here if he's not starting the majority of games
They're likely to recall him and loan him to another Championship side where he's got more chance of game time
They're likely to recall him and loan him to another Championship side where he's got more chance of game time
mds
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Let Giles go back and bring Mason back would be my approach, not convinced Mason is up to it going forward but could do a job as back up to McCallum.
If we had started the season more defensively in the style we changed to after 10 or 11 games things would have gone much differently and Kellys reintroduction would of had less of the perceived impact. Not to say we didnt miss him but the way we changed things as he came back made him look much more neccesary than he probably was.
I think that is coincedental, Kelly came back at around the same time we changed our style of play and the quality of opponents changed dramatically for us. We started the season way too naively trying to play the football we did in league 1 in a league where the quality of opponent is so much better.
If we had started the season more defensively in the style we changed to after 10 or 11 games things would have gone much differently and Kellys reintroduction would of had less of the perceived impact. Not to say we didnt miss him but the way we changed things as he came back made him look much more neccesary than he probably was.
Frostie
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Which other Championship team could guarantee him regular starts though?
