Max Biamou (2 Viewers)

[cc84cov]

What I make it is we were in a desperate situation as a team and club and now we have moved up two divisions and I for one am glad we have a manager who has the respect and support of the owners and that it is mutual. The alternative doesn’t need spelling out.

Let’s see how these next 3 games go with a dodgy back line & no strikers at the level...

I can see what’s coming most on here can’t....just yet

 

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[NortonSkyBlue]

whatever. If we got relegated he will stay - then get fired next season

To me it’s binary. We survive he stays we go down he goes - gushing nonsense about statues For finishing 6 the in league 2 doesn’t do it for me

I am not advocating a statue nor am I saying Robins is the best manager, I believe he is the best manager for us. Time will tell if you are correct.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Let’s see how these next 3 games go with a dodgy back line & no strikers at the level...

I can see what’s coming most on here can’t....just yet

But I know that you will gloat if you are right and skulk away until we hit a bad patch again.

 

[cc84cov]

But I know that you will gloat if you are right and skulk away until we hit a bad patch again.

I don’t skull away I’m here daily I hope we do beat these teams

I just think with the defence and poor strike force we are in trouble,robins tactical changes don’t give me much confidence either but I’m fully behind them and hopefully we pick up points.

 

[cc84cov]

I suppose it is phrases such as ‘he has proven to be tactically inept and by not making changes has cost us points in the past undoubtedly’ that I find hard to take. It is the definite nature of the statement. It’s not your opinion, you, like others state things like this as a fact. As I stated above, I have no problem with opinions, as you say, that’s what a forum like this is for. Fans will always have views on players, their ability or otherwise and on the decisions that the manager makes. The problem, I feel, is when someone on here sees themselves as an expert, someone who has more insight into the decisions that are made than the manager. If that manager is quite obviously failing, things are going from bad to worse then maybe, he is getting a lot of things wrong, maybe he deserves the criticism. (Hedging my bets as I think because by the nature and structure of football most managers are on a hiding to nothing, twelve clubs every season are bound to fail for example, relegation is not necessarily the managers fault. There is far too much knee jerk hiring and firing of managers).
If you think about Robins, he has spent his whole working life in football, a lot of it at the top level including playing for Alex Ferguson. To work at this level he must have got all of his coaching badges. In short he is a highly qualified man. Not only that, he is has been for the past 4 years, a very successful highly qualified man. If I see the doctor, or fly on a plane, I would tend to defer to the decisions those people make, they’re qualified, I’m not.
Yet on here, any old Tom, Dick or Harry can state without fear of contradiction that they know better than Robins even though their vast knowledge of football comes from turning out for the Dog and Duck,Match of the day and watching City. It’s the nature of social media perhaps th

Most of which he has generated himself.

The academy generated a lot

 

[clint van damme]

What I’ve said is not wrong tho

Get with it

You change your opinions that often some are bound to be right

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Irish sky blue you are trying to put words into my mouth - I think at times he has proven to be tactically inept and by not making changes has cost us points in the past undoubtedly.

However I have also stated I am happy with him as our manager but I do think on occasion he has flaws.

Robins has achieved fantastic things but let's not forget that he was starting from bottom and we were one of the big hitters in terms of side and budgets in league one and certainly in league two - this season is the toughest for him and if we survive he will rightly gain credit again.

Two up front is not entirely dependant on Biamou - he could give Baka another chance for instance and I would not have an issue with that and would actually prefer that given Biamou situation - also have Bapaga which would be nice to get a few more minutes into this season.

I do agree Slade was shocking for us but has had success in the past at the time I thought it was not that bad an appointment I got that one wrong hold my hands up - I am sure Robins would do the same if you asked him forums are for people to express opinions and if people do feel that the manager deserves a little bit of criticism I do not see the problem with that.......if not allowed to do that managers would never lose their jobs.......Ranieri won the premier league with Leicester and look how that played out in the future for instance......

I suppose it is phrases such as ‘he has proven to be tactically inept and by not making changes has cost us points in the past undoubtedly’ that I find hard to take. It is the definite nature of the statement. It’s not your opinion, you, like others state things like this as a fact. As I stated above, I have no problem with opinions, as you say, that’s what a forum like this is for. Fans will always have views on players, their ability or otherwise and on the decisions that the manager makes. The problem, I feel, is when someone on here sees themselves as an expert, someone who has more insight into the decisions that are made than the manager.
If that manager is quite obviously failing, things are going from bad to worse then maybe, he is getting a lot of things wrong, maybe he deserves the criticism. (Hedging my bets as I think because by the nature and structure of football most managers are on a hiding to nothing, twelve clubs every season are bound to fail for example, relegation is not necessarily the managers fault. There is far too much knee jerk hiring and firing of managers).
If you think about Robins, he has spent his whole working life in football, a lot of it at the top level including playing for Alex Ferguson. To work at this level he must have got all of his coaching badges. In short he is a highly qualified man. Not only that, he is has been for the past 4 years, a very successful highly qualified man. If I see the doctor, or fly on a plane, I would tend to defer to the decisions those people make, they’re qualified, I’m not.
Yet on here, any old Tom, Dick or Harry can state without fear of contradiction that they know better than Robins even though their vast knowledge of football comes from turning out for the Dog and Duck on a Sunday morning, Match of the day and watching City. It’s the nature of social media perhaps that makes people think that they can comment on the work of doctors, teachers, football managers and others with impunity, even though they aren't qualified and maybe don't know the full story.
Robins obviously works with his staff on the decisions he makes. Vibash, for example, always seems to have an input into substitutions. While he takes responsibility for the decisions made, he obviously listens to the views of others.
This isn't particularly a go at you but it is just frustrating to see the usual characters come to the fore everytime we don't win, not knowing the whole story and often ignoring the circumstances in which the win less game occurs.
You say you want Robins as manager, great. The disturbing thing is that there are obviously quite a few ready to ditch him despite all he has done and despite our failed hire/fire policy of the last 20 years.

He’s also spent more money in transfer fees than any other manager probably since Adams

Most of which he has generated himself

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

The academy generated a lot

Robins brought in McNulty, sold for a huge profit. He bought Chaplin. Sold for a huge profit. He introduced Bayliss into the team, apparently against the advice of his staff. Two years of playing for Robins and he is sold for £2 or £3 million. Most reasonable posters would recognise Robins influence on Bayliss' career.
The fact is that Robins has generated a large proportion of the funds he has been given. Success at Wembley, two profitable Cup runs and promotion last season also generated relatively big funds. I seen that the figure that playing in the Championship automatically gives the club is £6million. Robins is a huge reason why we were promoted. Even appearing on TV this year in the Championship has I think seen over £1/2million come into the club. Had it not been for the debacle of playing in Birmingham last season, and the pandemic this, gates would have increased hugely generating even more funds. Robins, because of the achievement of promotion is largely responsible for all of this. But let's ignore the facts.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

He’s also spent more money in transfer fees than any other manager probably since Adams

As usual you use figures in a selective way. He has also brought in more money through fees for players we have sold. Surely McCallum alone has brought in more than he has spent in fees.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

He’s also spent more money in transfer fees than any other manager probably since Adams

We're back to most Biamou goals don't count territory here

 

[Grendel]

As usual you use figures in a selective way. He has also brought in more money through fees for players we have sold. Surely McCallum alone has brought in more than he has spent in fees.

He hadn’t nothing to do with signing mccallum

 

[Covkid1968#]

I suppose it is phrases such as ‘he has proven to be tactically inept and by not making changes has cost us points in the past undoubtedly’ that I find hard to take. It is the definite nature of the statement. It’s not your opinion, you, like others state things like this as a fact. As I stated above, I have no problem with opinions, as you say, that’s what a forum like this is for. Fans will always have views on players, their ability or otherwise and on the decisions that the manager makes. The problem, I feel, is when someone on here sees themselves as an expert, someone who has more insight into the decisions that are made than the manager.
If that manager is quite obviously failing, things are going from bad to worse then maybe, he is getting a lot of things wrong, maybe he deserves the criticism. (Hedging my bets as I think because by the nature and structure of football most managers are on a hiding to nothing, twelve clubs every season are bound to fail for example, relegation is not necessarily the managers fault. There is far too much knee jerk hiring and firing of managers).
If you think about Robins, he has spent his whole working life in football, a lot of it at the top level including playing for Alex Ferguson. To work at this level he must have got all of his coaching badges. In short he is a highly qualified man. Not only that, he is has been for the past 4 years, a very successful highly qualified man. If I see the doctor, or fly on a plane, I would tend to defer to the decisions those people make, they’re qualified, I’m not.
Yet on here, any old Tom, Dick or Harry can state without fear of contradiction that they know better than Robins even though their vast knowledge of football comes from turning out for the Dog and Duck on a Sunday morning, Match of the day and watching City. It’s the nature of social media perhaps that makes people think that they can comment on the work of doctors, teachers, football managers and others with impunity, even though they aren't qualified and maybe don't know the full story.
Robins obviously works with his staff on the decisions he makes. Vibash, for example, always seems to have an input into substitutions. While he takes responsibility for the decisions made, he obviously listens to the views of others.
This isn't particularly a go at you but it is just frustrating to see the usual characters come to the fore everytime we don't win, not knowing the whole story and often ignoring the circumstances in which the win less game occurs.
You say you want Robins as manager, great. The disturbing thing is that there are obviously quite a few ready to ditch him despite all he has done and despite our failed hire/fire policy of the last 20 years.

Most of which he has generated himself

Spot on.....let the man get on with the job he is qualified and paid to do. Some people seem willing failure to happen just to say I told you so!!!! MR will deliver for us.....

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He hadn’t nothing to do with signing mccallum

Nothing whatsoever?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Nothing whatsoever?

And nothing to do with his development?

 

[cc84cov]

Nothing whatsoever?

Recruitment got him into the development squad

 

[Deleted member 9744]

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He hadn’t nothing to do with signing mccallum

Sorry I misread. It's always difficult with double negatives but seems you are recognising his involvement in McCallum's development.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

He hadn’t nothing to do with signing mccallum

Robins returned to the Club in 2017. McCallum joined in 2018. As Robins was the manager, why would he have nothing to do with the signing? The fact is that under Robins' management, a free signing became a player worth several million pounds.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Robins returned to the Clun in 2017. McCallum joined in 2018. As Robins was the manager, why would he have nothing to do with the signing. The fact is that under Robins' management, a free signing became a player worth several million pounds.

No Grendal is saying that he did. Just used a strange way of expressing it. Re read the sentence

 

[Grendel]

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Sorry I misread. It's always difficult with double negatives but seems you are recognising his involvement in McCallum's development.

Mowbray had some input I assume into Maddison and was given money to sign no one Pressley I assume you’d credit for developing Wilson and he managed to replace him with Josh Mquiod on loan.

I assume we have thorn right thank for getting £1m for Bigi

 

[Grendel]

Robins returned to the Club in 2017. McCallum joined in 2018. As Robins was the manager, why would he have nothing to do with the signing? The fact is that under Robins' management, a free signing became a player worth several million pounds.

He had no involvement in academy signings like him or Bosma. Jason Farndon signed him. Look at press releases at the time.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Mowbray had some input I assume into Maddison and was given money to sign no one Pressley I assume you’d credit for developing Wilson and he managed to replace him with Josh Mquiod on loan.

I assume we have thorn right thank for getting £1m for Bigi

So we should just base it on how much managers spend irrespective of how much comes in? Seems a very one sided perspective

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

He had no involvement in academy signings like him or Bosma. Jason Farndon signed him. Look at press releases at the time.

Even if that is true, McCallum quickly became a member of the first team squad and would have come under the tutelage of Robins and his staff. Coaches play no part in the development and improvement of young players? If true it would make you wonder about the point of coaching.

 

[johnwillomagic]

I just find viewpoint that people cannot comment on a manager's shortcomings in their opinion odd and they are never allowed to criticise if a manager has had any success in the past but is finding things tougher at a higher level - that is certainly not how the working world works.

I notice you did not respond to my Ranieri reference as an example......funny that!!,,,,,,,,

By your reckoning Irish sky blue people are not allowed to criticise or comment on say,,,,,,Donald Trump as they have never been a president themselves so have not right to comment as fact on things he may have done wrong......

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Even if that is true, McCallum quickly became a member of the first team squad and would have come under the tutelage of Robins and his staff. Coaches play no part in the development and improvement of young players? If true it would make you wonder about the point of coaching.

Also it would be curious the club deliberately pursuing this type of recruitment strategy with little bearing from the manager, regardless of him delegating the youth recruitment

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I just find viewpoint that people cannot comment on a manager's shortcomings in their opinion odd and they are never allowed to criticise if a manager has had any success in the past but is finding things tougher at a higher level - that is certainly not how the working world works.

I notice you did not respond to my Ranieri reference as an example......funny that!!,,,,,,,,

By your reckoning Irish sky blue people are not allowed to criticise or comment on say,,,,,,Donald Trump as they have never been a president themselves so have not right to comment as fact on things he may have done wrong......

If you read back you will see that I said that of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. The thing that gets my goat is that some see themselves as experts. What they say is a fact. In your case you see as a fact, a certainty, that some of what Robins does is inept. But this fact that you state comes from someone who I assume is, like me, on the outside of the camp, (doesn't see training, doesn't know who is carrying knocks, hasn't studied in detail the opposition etc) and also doesn't have the knowledge and expertise of Robins and his team. I also think that labels such as 'inept' do not take into account what he has achieved since he has been here. Has he not proved in those 4 years that he has got far more things right than he has got wrong? Does he not deserve a bit of slack so that after every game we don't win (often during games we aren't winning) he isn't ridiculed by some?
No problem with people giving sensible well balanced opinions that take account of the circumstances. The problem from some on here is that even their opinion is usually an ill thought out rant in the wake of a less than perfect performance or result.
I thought that the sacking of Ranieri was a shocking thing to do. A man who guided that club to a prize that even in their wildest dreams that club could never have imagined winning in the PL era. A total lack of faith, loyalty and class. Shakespeare, who took over, kept them out of the bottom three but was soon given the boot. No guarantee that Ranieri couldn't have done the same.
Some managers are not up to the job and need to go. However, what responsibility do the CEO or the owner take for the appointment in the first place? How many thousands will Sheff Wed lose this season, sacking Monk, appointing Pullis, sacking Pullis after a couple of months and then appointing number 3? It's a ludicrous, damaging way to run a club.
Surely clubs need to decide the course they want to take, decide how they will achieve their goals, research and find the best fit management team to achieve their vision and then give them the time and resources to achieve this, including not sacking them when things don't immediately go in the right direction or if they have a bad spell along the way. If you do your homework, surely you have to keep faith with your appointment and give them a chance to achieve? Too much short termism in football.
One of the good things about Robins is that there is obviously a plan in terms of the way we play, recruit and move the whole thing forward.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

With regard to someone like Trump. He truly is (or should be) answerable to the electorate. The decisions they make effect the daily lives of the people they serve. In Trumps case, pursuing policies that take no account of, for example, the environment, which have a negative impact on the people he is supposed to serve, means that he is fair game for criticism and protest.
I don't think the role of President is really a good analogy for the role of football manager.
Surely the analogy would be with other skilled and specialist professions?

 

[shmmeee]

Love it when Grendel gets desperate and the ridiculous arguments come out.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

I just find viewpoint that people cannot comment on a manager's shortcomings in their opinion odd and they are never allowed to criticise if a manager has had any success in the past but is finding things tougher at a higher level - that is certainly not how the working world works.

I do find it strange that you hold Robins to account for our struggles but don’t acknowledge that he has been very successful to date and continues to improve the standing of the club. You, like others, seem to get off on our losing games and even phases of play during games. There is absolutely no recognition that we are playing teams with better players, deeper pockets and superior infrastructure.
I can see there is a growing number of fans who are disillusioned but what sticks in my throat is that there is a perverse enjoyment in sticking the knife in on the manager and players.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He hadn’t nothing to do with signing mccallum

He did with playing him though. Same with Bayliss. Both ended up in the first team quicker than other figures at the club would have had it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Let’s see how these next 3 games go with a dodgy back line & no strikers at the level...

I can see what’s coming most on here can’t....just yet

Hope this gets shoved down your throat

 

[Grendel]

Love it when Grendel gets desperate and the ridiculous arguments come out.

Hardly ridiculous and it’s not me that’s being the most critical

To be fair one if the most ridiculous things I’ve read on here was that Robins has already earned status as a better manager than John Sillett

Now I can’t recall who said that

 

[ccfctommy]

Hope max gets supported by the club in the summer by sorting out an operation for him and giving him a new 1 yr contract to see what he can do in the championship when fully fit

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Not for me. Not good enough at this level.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hardly ridiculous and it’s not me that’s being the most critical

To be fair one if the most ridiculous things I’ve read on here was that Robins has already earned status as a better manager than John Sillett

Now I can’t recall who said that

It is, but it’s hard to deny Robins has added value to the likes of McCallum and Bayliss

 

[cc84cov]

Hope this gets shoved down your throat

Me too Pete me too...starting against Sheffield Wednesday

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

whatever. If we got relegated he will stay - then get fired next season

To me it’s binary. We survive he stays we go down he goes - gushing nonsense about statues For finishing 6 the in league 2 doesn’t do it for me

Jimmy Hill's got one and much of his tenure was in the lower leagues and never managed us for a single game in the top flight.

Not saying MR should get one btw.

For me even if we go down he gets a decent chance next season. It was a hard enough job to start with without our current injuries.

Basically at this time I can't see an affordable replacement that'd take this club forward any better. Be careful what you wish for.