Mike Dean (2 Viewers)
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Otis
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A bullet would be nice.
Frostie
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100% he made a mistake & 2 in a week is pretty poor but the overreaction is ridiculous.
Worth noting, he wasn't sending either Bednarek or Soucek off until told to have a look by the VAR.
I have a massive problem with this as it's already influencing the referees decision by basically telling him "We think you fucked up". They then show replays of incidents in slo mo which obviously exaggerate everything & the pressure on the ref to then give something he wouldn't ordinarily is simply too great.
They then trot out the line "the on pitch official has the final decision" but they've already undermined him.
Adge
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Think it was Lee Mason on the VAR on that game-hasn't been a top referee for some time if he ever was and as you know I'm not one to slate them.
oscillatewildly
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I remember the days when questioning their parentage would suffice.
Adge
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“Who’s your father Referee”
David O'Day
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He's awful as a referee
Adge
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Why?
David O'Day
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A career of mistakes and an ego that means he has to make it the Mike Dean story every time.
It's about time awful refs were properly punished, he should not have been reffing an game after his performance in the united game against southampton.
Wyken Sky Blue
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Who is the best referee in the Premier league in everyone's opinion?
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SBAndy
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Michael Oliver.
Frostie
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I'd go Michael Oliver too.
Martin Atkinson isn't too bad, he seems to have actually improved as he's got older.
Nearly all of them will have some indelible stain next to them now though due to VAR controversies which really defeats the object as it was supposed to help them!
Martin Atkinson isn't too bad, he seems to have actually improved as he's got older.
Nearly all of them will have some indelible stain next to them now though due to VAR controversies which really defeats the object as it was supposed to help them!
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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New Saturday night ITV show. The Masked Wanker.
People screaming OFF! OFF! OFF! OFF! at them.
David O'Day
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When was a referee last really punished for an awful performance?
As their ruling body doesn't help by justifying every fuck up they make.
As their ruling body doesn't help by justifying every fuck up they make.
lifeskyblue
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Whilst I’m the first to criticise a refs decision in the heat of the moment and whilst I can never understand why, in my opinion, refs ‘always’ apply the laws less stringently to our opponents I have to say I have never felt a ref I’ve watched tried to cheat. Yes they have good games and poor games, they make wrong decisions, they get lambasted by one manager or another (frequently both) and every decision these days scrutinised from every angle.
Should they be punished for a few poor decisions? Perhaps players who have poor games should be punished more harshly by clubs. Wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear managers (and pundits) instead of complaining about the ref getting a 50/50 decision wrong own up to ‘picking the wrong team’, ‘playing the wrong tactics’, highlighting their own keepers fumble, defenders missed tackle, midfielders misuse of the ball or strikers fluffed half chance. Why must referees have to be near perfect when we frequently accept average (or worse) from the players?
As I said I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a ref cheat and yet every game I watch there are players diving, pulling shirts, stealing yards, conning and intimidating refs by getting in their face. We accept these behaviours as ‘they are part of the game’ but don’t accept refs making honest mistakes.
Yes Mike Dean got it wrong the other day and he needs to reflect on that and be debriefed on ways to improve. I’m sure his average performance over 90mins has less mistakes than the majority of the 22 players
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Should they be punished for a few poor decisions? Perhaps players who have poor games should be punished more harshly by clubs. Wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear managers (and pundits) instead of complaining about the ref getting a 50/50 decision wrong own up to ‘picking the wrong team’, ‘playing the wrong tactics’, highlighting their own keepers fumble, defenders missed tackle, midfielders misuse of the ball or strikers fluffed half chance. Why must referees have to be near perfect when we frequently accept average (or worse) from the players?
As I said I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a ref cheat and yet every game I watch there are players diving, pulling shirts, stealing yards, conning and intimidating refs by getting in their face. We accept these behaviours as ‘they are part of the game’ but don’t accept refs making honest mistakes.
Yes Mike Dean got it wrong the other day and he needs to reflect on that and be debriefed on ways to improve. I’m sure his average performance over 90mins has less mistakes than the majority of the 22 players
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David O'Day
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If a ref is consistently poor nothing seems to happen to them but if a player is consistently poor they will lose their place in the team.
So your post falls down at every single point.
Adge
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Not true. They would get put back a level if they didn’t meat the required standard.
oscillatewildly
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They'd get the 'chop' then eh, Adge?
MusicDating
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That would stop them being wankers I suppose...
David O'Day
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No they really don't unless the standard is useless.
I'd love to see what a ref would have to do to get you to admit they were shite. over 15 dead at a guess
Adge
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I wouldn’t call any Premier League official “shite” as to get to that level you obviously have something about you/much the same as players.
What I will say though is the referees in the top flight has really stagnated over the last few years and the “Golden generation” of Webb,Clattenburg et al has long gone.
Atkinson, Marriner, Oliver, Taylor are probably the best of the bunch and maybe Pawson at a push.
Moss, Mason and a few others have maybe had their time-trouble is it sounds like there is not many pushing to come through. Paul Tierney probably been the pick.
David O'Day
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Comparing them to the players is a joke. Top league refs are allowed weekly to be shite and nothing is done about it. Mike Dean has a history of ruining games because of his ego and he's still there.
David O'Day
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Oh, ok.
Yes, but we know you do have a history of defending awful refs and officials.
Terry Gibson's perm
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The problem with Mike Dean is that he hasn’t realised that people don’t go to watch him.
MusicDating
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Deflection usually. Striker misses a sitter, 'well the keeper shouldn't have even been on the pitch'. Lose 0-3, 'It was a defo penalty at 0-0'.
That's not to say in the heat of the moment I don't shout at the tv, particularly for bad fouls. Though I did genuinely lol at Da Costa's fall in the Watford game rather than appeal for a pen
