Jodi Jones (4 Viewers)

[Frostie]

And if he breaks down again we've got one less wage available for a player who could be on the pitch.

That's the argument that was used for the extension last year and look how it's turned out.

That solution is all favouring Jodi and the club taking all the risk.

But on the other hand if we don't & he starts to fulfill the potential he's showed previously we've thrown away potentially significant transfer fees. Not sure we'd get in a decent Championship quality player on such a low wage anyway.

It's a gamble for sure but a relatively low cost one.

 

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[better days]

That's his prerogative. We renewed his contract this year and he's been injured for the whole of it. So subsequently that's one player less we can have on the wage bill who could've be on the pitch making a difference.

He was injured by one of our own players during a training session
Hardly something you can blame the lad himself for
It's irrelevant what we think though
Mark Robins will decide based on what's best for the club

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He was injured by one of our own players during a training session
Hardly something you can blame the lad himself for
It's irrelevant what we think though
Mark Robins will decide based on what's best for the club

Who cropped him?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He was injured by one of our own players during a training session
Hardly something you can blame the lad himself for
It's irrelevant what we think though
Mark Robins will decide based on what's best for the club

I'm not blaming him at all for the injury. Or indeed whoever injured him. These things happen. Maybe sometimes I question our training given the number of these types of injury we seem to get. Sometimes I ask if he was brought back too quickly. But none of that matters. The end result is the same - he can't play for us due to injury.

Ask yourself if he was a free agent, with his previous record of injury and playing history (remember we bought him because the club he was playing for was preparing for relegation from L2). Even if the fans of his previous club said what a lovely bloke he was and how he could be exciting on his day, albeit only proven at a much lower level. Would you be happy to sign him on the proposed deal if he was an outsider coming in? Or would we be saying "typical Cov, signing another crock"

 

[Frostie]

Sky Blues boss set to hand Jodi Jones a new contract

The 23-year-old could be back playing before the end of the season when his current contract is due to expire as Mark Robins is determined to keep the player who almost moved to Leeds United

www.coventrytelegraph.net

 

[chiefdave]

Sky Blues boss set to hand Jodi Jones a new contract

The 23-year-old could be back playing before the end of the season when his current contract is due to expire as Mark Robins is determined to keep the player who almost moved to Leeds United

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Robins sounding very positive. Says the surgeons reports are good, he's in a good place mentally and working really hard to get back and could be playing again this season. "ultimately he’s a player who could end up being a top player for us".

Would say there's zero chance of Robins not offering him a contract.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

And if he breaks down again we've got one less wage available for a player who could be on the pitch.

That's the argument that was used for the extension last year and look how it's turned out.

That solution is all favouring Jodi and the club taking all the risk.

Part of it is club culture too. Know you'll be looked after by your employer, and you're happier, more willing to go the extra mile for them, and more loyal to them as a result.

Players already at the club, and those thinking of joining the club, will look at how we treat people who work for us. So far, we've treated Jones well, and that's to our credit. That benefits us, too, beyond Jodi Jones.

 

[Frostie]

Robins sounding very positive. Says the surgeons reports are good, he's in a good place mentally and working really hard to get back and could be playing again this season. "ultimately he’s a player who could end up being a top player for us".

Would say there's zero chance of Robins not offering him a contract.

Yep, brilliant news.

Only a 5% chance of the injury reoccurring apparently which is tremendous.

I see Robins even admits that the Leeds thing was agreed as we said earlier.

 

[Grendel]

Part of it is club culture too. Know you'll be looked after by your employer, and you're happier, more willing to go the extra mile for them, and more loyal to them as a result.

Players already at the club, and those thinking of joining the club, will look at how we treat people who work for us. So far, we've treated Jones well, and that's to our credit. That benefits us, too, beyond Jodi Jones.

None of that applies to football

 

[Jamesimus]

None of that applies to football

Why would it not?

 

[SBT]

Only a 5% chance of the injury reoccurring apparently which is tremendous.

I didn't really understand what MR meant by this. There's a 5% chance of him tearing his ACL again? That doesn't exactly fill me with optimism.

 

[Frostie]

I didn't really understand what MR meant by this. There's a 5% chance of him tearing his ACL again? That doesn't exactly fill me with optimism.

What if he said a 95% chance it won't reoccur?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

None of that applies to football

Footballers are people too.

 

[Grendel]

Why would it not?

Because when you read footballer biographies none think like that. It’s a transient industry and utterly selfish both ways.
When managers are sacked players are rarely impacted and move on. They rarely socialise with each other and some very successful players admit they deliberately refused to have any relations with players away from the club.
If Jones is kept on does well after a couple of months his agent will force a move on the players terms. If a player is not considered good enough he’s moved on. Other players really will not care either way

 

[SBT]

What if he said a 95% chance it won't reoccur?

I know how probabilities work, for the record!

5% seems worryingly high to me? Has to be well beyond the average. And does it refer to the chance of him suffering another injury when facing the same kind of challenge, or just his general likelihood of re-injury? If there's a 1 in 20 chance of him going down for a fourth time, that has to affect what kind of contract he gets from us.

 

[Grendel]

Footballers are people too.

Most people on every employ really are only interested in themselves and if someone else goes they just think -glad it’s not me

 

[Grendel]

I know how probabilities work, for the record!

5% seems worryingly high to me? Has to be well beyond the average. And does it refer to the chance of him suffering another injury when facing the same kind of challenge, or just his general likelihood of re-injury? If there's a 1 in 20 chance of him going down for a fourth time, that has to affect what kind of contract he gets from us.

I wouldn’t fly in a plane it it had a 5% chance of falling out the sky

 

[SBT]

I wouldn’t fly in a plane it it had a 5% chance of falling out the sky

What if I told you it had a 95% chance of landing safely though?

 

[better days]

Because when you read footballer biographies none think like that. It’s a transient industry and utterly selfish both ways.
When managers are sacked players are rarely impacted and move on. They rarely socialise with each other and some very successful players admit they deliberately refused to have any relations with players away from the club.
If Jones is kept on does well after a couple of months his agent will force a move on the players terms. If a player is not considered good enough he’s moved on. Other players really will not care either way

You're right of course in most cases, especially where a player is in demand from a higher division
It's slightly different in these circumstances from what I hear
Jones is settled in the area and has put down roots here
He would much prefer to re-establish himself with our club as he recovers rather than move elsewhere
If all works out well and the club get an approach with an offer they can't refuse obviously things change

 

[Grendel]

What if I told you it had a 95% chance of landing safely though?

no!

 

[Grendel]

You're right of course in most cases, especially where a player is in demand from a higher division
It's slightly different in these circumstances from what I hear
Jones is settled in the area and has put down roots here
He would much prefer to re-establish himself with our club as he recovers rather than move elsewhere
If all works out well and the club get an approach with an offer they can't refuse obviously things change

And if he scored 2 hare tricks in his first 4 games and Man Utd contact his agent?

 

[better days]

And if he scored 2 hare tricks in his first 4 games and Man Utd contact his agent?

Much less than 5% chance of that happening

 

[Deleted member 5849]

And if he scored 2 hare tricks in his first 4 games and Man Utd contact his agent?

It's a bit different if you're offered the chance of a £500k pa pay rise, to being told Portsmouth are interested in you.

 

[Grendel]

It's a bit different if you're offered the chance of a £500k pa pay rise, to being told Portsmouth are interested in you.

Not if being loyal matters. And if Portsmouth doubled his pay? Demanding a move that minute.

 

[Jamesimus]

Because when you read footballer biographies none think like that. It’s a transient industry and utterly selfish both ways.
When managers are sacked players are rarely impacted and move on. They rarely socialise with each other and some very successful players admit they deliberately refused to have any relations with players away from the club.
If Jones is kept on does well after a couple of months his agent will force a move on the players terms. If a player is not considered good enough he’s moved on. Other players really will not care either way

I think this is true in many cases but not all cases.

If you create a good "work life" culture within a football club, many players would be more inclined to stay or join. Same in any work place. It's not all about money and agents forcing moves for everyone. (I'm well aware it is for a lot). Like in any job, I never expect anyone to stay in one place forever mind; same with football.

A lot of our players pre-pandemic seemed to socialise with each other outside of football.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not if being loyal matters

Yes there is. The extreme examples are counterproductive. Nobody is suggesting Rashford will be replacing Biamou next season because we were nice to Jones.

Hell, I'd work for you if you paid me enough

 

[Grendel]

Yes there is. The extreme examples are counterproductive. Nobody is suggesting Rashford will be replacing Biamou next season because we were nice to Jones.

Its hogwash everyone is out flr themselves. What if it was decided we could keep Jones but had to let Max go. What then?

 

[Deleted member 11652]

Its hogwash everyone is out flr themselves. What if it was decided we could keep Jones but had to let Max go. What then?

The cult of Biamou would riot!

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Why on earth would he accept that?

Given his history of 3 ACL injuries, he may have to. Not many clubs will take a punt on guaranteed wages

 

[Frostie]

Given his history of 3 ACL injuries, he may have to. Not many clubs will take a punt on guaranteed wages

If we don't sign him up (which we will) he won't be short of offers believe me.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

If we don't sign him up (which we will) he won't be short of offers believe me.

I believe we’ll sign him up, but you’ll be looking at league one and two clubs. Unless you’re talking Sunderland or Portsmouth most of them don’t have 2 pennies to rub together.

the offers will be there but It’ll all be pay as you play. It’s sensible given that he’s been broken down for 3 years

 

[Frostie]

I believe we’ll sign him up, but you’ll be looking at league one and two clubs. Unless you’re talking Sunderland or Portsmouth most of them don’t have 2 pennies to rub together.

the offers will be there but It’ll all be pay as you play. It’s sensible given that he’s been broken down for 3 years

He's only on League 1 or 2 wages now anyway & I don't think he'll be getting a pay rise from us given the situation, he can instead have an incentive laden deal.

He would have plenty of lower league clubs interested & he might have to have a short term trial or whatever to prove his fitness but not a full pay as you play contract. They only work in a very miniscule number of cases & that's usually with players who have been in the game for a long time so have already had chance to earn some decent money.

 

[Speedies_Chips]

I believe we’ll sign him up, but you’ll be looking at league one and two clubs. Unless you’re talking Sunderland or Portsmouth most of them don’t have 2 pennies to rub together.

the offers will be there but It’ll all be pay as you play. It’s sensible given that he’s been broken down for 3 years

People keep going on about pay as you play. Can anyone name any player on such a deal?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Its hogwash everyone is out flr themselves. What if it was decided we could keep Jones but had to let Max go. What then?

Max would donate his wages to Jodi

 

[Frostie]

People keep going on about pay as you play. Can anyone name any player on such a deal?

Not in the way people think, no.
They usually have a lower basic than similar calibre players but then have it topped up by significant appearance figures. Only really works with players who are at the twilight of their career so not so in need of the guaranteed regular income.

John Terry, Owen Hargreaves & Andy Carroll I can think of. Andy Impey famously for us in the Micky Adams era had a very low basic wage so Adams used to bring him on in the dying minutes to help him earn more.

But yeah, as per my previous posts, completely illogical for somebody of Jodi's age/situation.