Match Thread Middlesbrough ("H") - Tues 2nd March - 19:00 KO - St. Andrews (12 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Sticking a defender upfront will show straight away how much more running and mobility is needed to play there than at the back. It would be a shit show.

Remember when Coleman played Grandison up front? Absolute shit show

 

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[Marty]

And then barely be able to field a team when injuries hit?

Outside of about 15 players he doesn't rate anyone else in the squad, whats the point of having them?

 

[LilleSkyBlue]

Get Baka in for Biamou next game, Baka can actually lay it off without taking 15 touches and changing direction 6 times.

I don't agree with that, at any rate I've hardly ever seen him do it

 

[robbiethemole]

Turps?

More like hitting the meths......................... tbh I feel like doing it tooo

 

[shmmeee]

Right here me out. Baka and Max wide in a front three.

Maroši
Dabo Østigård McFadzean McCallum
Hamer James
Biamou O’Hare Baka
Walker

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I was going to mention Dublin. But he’s the exception that proves the rule for me.

Difference is Dublin was a forward going back, rather than a defnder going forward. So he had that movement etc already and didn't need to use it as much. Osti going forward wouldn't have that natural movement.

 

[Frostie]

Outside of about 15 players he doesn't rate anyone else in the squad, whats the point of having them?

So just have a squad of 15?
And then 6 or 7 get injured... Just forfeit every game?

 

[Frostie]

Right here me out. Baka and Max wide in a front three.

Maroši
Dabo Østigård McFadzean McCallum
Hamer James
Biamou O’Hare Baka
Walker

Stop sniffing them highlighter pens

 

[hill83]

Difference is Dublin was a forward going back, rather than a defnder going forward. So he had that movement etc already and didn't need to use it as much. Osti going forward wouldn't have that natural movement.

I had a go at right back for a few games in Sunday league instead of being left wing and it was an absolute walk in the park. We lost both games.

 

[Grendel]

Do they have a League One squad?
Do they have the same budget as us?

do they have the 7th biggest budget in the league sorry it’s a pathetic argument

 

[usskyblue]

It’s we’ll known that the best way to beat an attritional team is to leave your most tired players in.

So... you’re saying sprightly sub-par is an upgrade to tired starters ?

 

[Grendel]

Really missed osti tonight. I think we’d have won 1-0 had he played

Rubbish

 

[Liquid Gold]

So... you’re saying sprightly sub-par is an upgrade to tired starters ?

Isn’t that the whole notion behind starting your best players but making changes as the game goes on?

 

[usskyblue]

Isn’t that the whole notion behind starting your best players but making changes as the game goes on?

If what you have on the bench is an upgrade, sure

 

[shmmeee]

Stop sniffing them highlighter pens

Were so shockingly devoid of attacking talent.

 

[Hobo]

Well not really, 4 players on that bench were signed or re signed for this campaign. 3 of which aren't deemed good enough to get a run out when the first 11 are dead on their feet. This isn't down to Robins, it's the scouting department, sign less players of higher quality.

But about 13 of our 26 were signed for League 1 or league 2. The re signed ones surely shows the limitations of our budget.

It is ok Grendel quoting Barnsley as a model but they only just stayed up last season.

 

[TomRad85]

Right here me out. Baka and Max wide in a front three.

Maroši
Dabo Østigård McFadzean McCallum
Hamer James
Biamou O’Hare Baka
Walker

The seats behind the goals would be in serious danger.

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So... you’re saying sprightly sub-par is an upgrade to tired starters ?

A knife is preferable to a gun that's got no ammo left.

 

[Marty]

So just have a squad of 15?
And then 6 or 7 get injured... Just forfeit every game?

That's not what I said. Build a strongest 18 man squad we can afford, then we can have a Biamou or Hyam to fall on if we're desperate. Why did we sign an fat asthmatic kraut from a pub league? did the club even watch him or was he signed from a spreadsheet of stats? We aren't spending what little money we have wisely.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Rubbish

Excellent debate

 

[Nick]

So... you’re saying sprightly sub-par is an upgrade to tired starters ?

That's exactly how subs work.

 

[Liquid Gold]

If what you have on the bench is an upgrade, sure

So you leave your best players on the bench until your worst ones batter the other team down?

Nah mate, you start with your best team but you bring your lesser players on when your best players tire. Is basics now.

 

[usskyblue]

That's exactly how subs work.

Come on now. You’re telling me that our bench isn’t mostly emergency bodies in case of injuries?

 

[Evo1883]

Excellent debate

I'd argue we don't concede the second

 

[shmmeee]

That's not what I said. Build a strongest 18 man squad we can afford, then we can have a Biamou or Hyam to fall on if we're desperate. Why did we sign an fat asthmatic kraut from a pub league? did the club even watch him or was he signed from a spreadsheet of stats? We aren't spending what little money we have wisely.

You don’t think O’Hare, Hamer, Walker were money well spent?

Complaining about second tier signings not coming off is a little OTT. No manager has a perfect record. We lost Jones early and Shipley, Jobello and Allen haven’t stepped up. We started the season with 8 AMs and only O’Hare has performed.

 

[Marty]

But about 13 of our 26 were signed for League 1 or league 2. The re signed ones surely shows the limitations of our budget.

It is ok Grendel quoting Barnsley as a model but they only just stayed up last season.

Shows lack of ambition, Why re sign Baka? because hes cheap? he adds nothing to the team and didn't in League one either. It's decisions like that, that have hampered our progress this season.

 

[Frostie]

do they have the 7th biggest budget in the league sorry it’s a pathetic argument

No they've yo yo'd between divisions, increasing their budget as a result & with a business model to find undervalued players they have slowly overhauled the squad with players capable of playing at the higher level.
They only stayed up on a technicality last season & now their patience with the business model is paying off. We could have a very similar story given the chance.

 

[Evo1883]

Shows lack of ambition, Why re sign Baka? because hes cheap? he adds nothing to the team and didn't in League one either. It's decisions like that, that have hampered our progress this season.

We are a good 15/20 million budget wise and several seasons of experience off even mid table sides in this league.

Our ambition stretches not much beyond where we currently sit

 

[Marty]

You don’t think O’Hare, Hamer, Walker were money well spent?

Complaining about second tier signings not coming off is a little OTT. No manager has a perfect record. We lost Jones early and Shipley, Jobello and Allen haven’t stepped up. We started the season with 8 AMs and only O’Hare has performed.

Again, not what I said, These signings aren't down to Robins.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No they've yo yo'd between divisions, increasing their budget as a result & with a business model to find undervalued players they have slowly overhauled the squad with players capable of playing at the higher level.
They only stayed up on a technicality last season & now their patience with the business model is paying off. We could have a very similar story given the chance.

They are punching above their weight for sure and as a team and club they are above where they’d expect to finish. Also if we looked to sign Chaplin this summer most of our fans would say he’s no better than baka

 

[Frostie]

Shows lack of ambition, Why re sign Baka? because hes cheap? he adds nothing to the team and didn't in League one either. It's decisions like that, that have hampered our progress this season.

You're not getting it are you?
In an ideal world we would replace the likes of Baka, we know for a fact we were happy to let Biamou leave etc but can't simply do it in one window, we don't have the budget to do it.

 

[Nick]

Come on now. You’re telling me that our bench isn’t mostly emergency bodies in case of injuries?

Yeah they are subs. To be used when players tire or get injured.

 

[Marty]

You're not getting it are you?
In an ideal world we would replace the likes of Baka, we know for a fact we were happy to let Biamou leave etc but can't simply do it in one window, we don't have the budget to do it.

We didn't need to replace Baka, his contract had ended, so why was Baka signed for another year? It's a complete waste of money that could have been saved. I keep seeing that we have no money in the pot, we're throwing money when we can't afford too.

 

[Frostie]

We didn't need to replace Baka, his contract had ended, so why was Baka signed for another year? It's a complete waste of money that could have been saved. I keep seeing that we have no money in the pot, we're throwing money when we can't afford too.

So who do you sign on a free for the same wage as Baka that is capable at this level?

 

[usskyblue]

Yeah they are subs. To be used when players tire or get injured.

The fact Max is a starter is the biggest fucking clue regarding our bench.

The only difference a sub would’ve made was that you’d have another player to whiff about.