Match Thread Derby match thread (16 Viewers)

[robbiethemole]

Kelly Roos, ex Nuneaton keeper?? really need to get some shots in against him surely

 

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[cc84cov]

O’Hare Hamer & Biamou with the high press today feeding off their mistakes

 

[stevefloyd]

First beer being opened at 2.55pm. Nerves have started already.

No beer for me had the jab this morning have to refrain for 2 weeks

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I was all for 1 up top last season but think we're better with 2 this time around.

It isn't a binary, sometimes you need to adjust what is better based on circumstances.

The scarier thing is that Robins feels that with the personnel he has available, this is the side most likely to score goals.

That isn't a dig at Robins btw, he may well be right!

 

[PVA]

We are no longer in league one. Hope this helps.

Right. So now we've gone up a division, playing against better teams, you want us to have less bodies in midfield?

 

[Evo1883]

The scarier thing is that Robins feels that with the personnel he has available, this is the side most likely to score goals.

That isn't a dig at Robins btw, he may well be right!

If it was just goals we needed to care about we'd play 6 upfront

There's a whole opposition team that has individual players that need certain adaptations made for them, and a formation to counter and breakdown

 

[cc84cov]

Be nice to see walker & Godden together today

 

[Frostie]

Kelly Roos, ex Nuneaton keeper?? really need to get some shots in against him surely

Max Biamou, ex Sutton United striker??
Roos has done ok for them as a backup tbf.

 

[PVA]

I was all for 1 up top last season but think we're better with 2 this time around.

It isn't a binary, sometimes you need to adjust what is better based on circumstances.

Of course, totally agree it's not binary

That's why I get annoyed when people seem to assume 1 up front = negative football and 2 up front = positive play and more goals.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Max Biamou, ex Sutton United striker??

Well if Roos is to stopping goals what Biamou is to scoring them...

 

[Johnnythespider]

No beer for me had the jab this morning have to refrain for 2 weeks

You what ??? You can't drink after the jab ?????

 

[shmmeee]

I've never understood how 2 up automatically makes you more likely to win, or even attack tbh..

Your just as likely to spend longer off the ball with less players in midfield

2 up has been very Indifferent for us, seems a totally circumstantial formation for us

It’s not about one up or two up or three up, it’s about the balance of attack minded players to defensive. With three DMs this formation leaves a huge gap between Hamer and Kelly and James who naturally want to sit back and O’Hare and Biamou who want to play at the line.

Add another O’Hare in, or have a back three and GK you can trust to allow the WBs forward and it’s not so bad. But we don’t have either of those.

 

[Evo1883]

You what ??? You can't drink after the jab ?????

I didn't know that Either

 

[SIR ERNIE]

For weeks now Biamou has shown himself incapable of retaining possession when the ball is played up to him and laying it off. Time and again he turns into trouble, the move breaks down and any chance of building sustained pressure is gone.

I’ve said before that I fully accept he’s playing above his level in this division and that’s a comment that can be applied to several in our team. However, expecting a big strong striker to be able to retain possession and lay the ball off is the most basic of skills for a professional forward.

He HAS to do it today, playing as a lone striker.

 

[Johhny Blue]

You what ??? You can't drink after the jab ?????

I sense another wave

 

[Evo1883]

For weeks now Biamou has shown himself incapable of retaining possession when the ball is played up to him and laying it off. Time and again he turns into trouble, the move breaks down and any chance of building sustained pressure is gone.

I’ve said before that I fully accept he’s playing above his level in this division and that’s a comment that can be applied to several in our team. However, expecting a big strong striker to be able to retain possession and lay the ball off is the most basic of skills for a professional forward.

He HAS to do it today, playing as a lone striker.

I'm not hopeful but at some point every player has a banger... Hoping his comes today

 

[cc84cov]

For weeks now Biamou has shown himself incapable of retaining possession when the ball is played up to him and laying it off. Time and again he turns into trouble, the move breaks down and any chance of building sustained pressure is gone.

I’ve said before that I fully accept he’s playing above his level in this division and that’s a comment that can be applied to several in our team. However, expecting a big strong striker to be able to retain possession and lay the ball off is the most basic of skills for a professional forward.

He HAS to do it today, playing as a lone striker.

We need one or his rare solid performances today luckily we have Godden & walker on the bench

 

[rhino1002]

For weeks now Biamou has shown himself incapable of retaining possession when the ball is played up to him and laying it off. Time and again he turns into trouble, the move breaks down and any chance of building sustained pressure is gone.

I’ve said before that I fully accept he’s playing above his level in this division and that’s a comment that can be applied to several in our team. However, expecting a big strong striker to be able to retain possession and lay the ball off is the most basic of skills for a professional forward.

He HAS to do it today, playing as a lone striker.

Totally agree but with a lone striker its up to the midfielders and wing backs to give him an outlet and more often than not the lone striker gets isolated

 

[Evo1883]

Nice to see matty on the bench... Hopefully we give him 20 mins or so for a couple matches then go from there

 

[Skybluefaz]

Right. So now we've gone up a division, playing against better teams, you want us to have less bodies in midfield?

It depends, but it's incredibly naive to just plough on the way we played last season cos it worked against the like of Southend, especially when we are without our best forward.

 

[Evo1883]

It depends, but it's incredibly naive to just plough on the way we played last season cos it worked against the like of Southend, especially when we are without our best forward.

It's just as naive to think 2 up = goals and wins

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

You what ??? You can't drink after the jab ?????

flipping heck they kept that quiet

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Not keen?

 

[PVA]

It depends, but it's incredibly naive to just plough on the way we played last season cos it worked against the like of Southend, especially when we are without our best forward.

Of course, I agree, but that's not my point.

My point is that 1 up front can be just as attacking and just as effective as 2 up front.

 

[Skybluefaz]

It's just as naive to think 2 up = goals and wins

Agree with that, today I think 2 up would give us a better chance. If the one up was a fit Godden then fair enough. Horses for courses. Today I'd go 2 up. HOPE TAE FUCK THAT I'M WRONG.

 

[Esoterica]

What I will say for the balance of the side vs the bench today, is that Derby are a much stronger first half team than 2nd and concede a lot of late goals. So if we were going for a solid 70 mins and then looking to Godden and Walker to win it, Derby are a good candidate to do it against. 75% of their goals conceded away from home are in the 2nd half of games



Incredibly they've only scored 2 equalisers all season too, so some hope if we are able to get ahead!

 

[Evo1883]

Agree with that, today I think 2 up would give us a better chance. If the one up was a fit Godden then fair enough. Horses for courses. Today I'd go 2 up. HOPE TAE FUCK THAT I'M WRONG.

Ultimately 1 up 2 up... If the balance isn't there during the match you're fucked either way

 

[Liquid Gold]

Of course, I agree, but that's not my point.

My point is that 1 up front can be just as attacking and just as attacking as 2 up front.

Definitely ca be but as mentioned on the forum earlier for that to be the case we need our midfielders to push on past the striker and we just don't have that in the squad at the moment.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Of course, I agree, but that's not my point.

My point is that 1 up front can be just as attacking and just as attacking as 2 up front.

Of course it can, just personnel wise I'd go with 2 today. Glad we got there in the end.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Such a big ask on Biamou. Shows how much robins trusts him or how the other strikers are struggling or lacking in fitness

 

[Liquid Gold]

Such a big ask on Biamou. Shows how much robins trusts him or how the other strikers are struggling or lacking in fitness

Looks like he'll be getting a new deal.

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

I didn't know that Either

At no point in the process will anyone tell you not to drink after it. Some medical types have advised that alcohol isn’t good for the immune system, so if you want to maximise the vaccine’s effect it is recommended you abstain for a bit...

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Once again a winnable game and MR's line-up screams not to lose. One up top, and that forward being one of the least effective at converting chances. They lost 4-0 midweek and we've got potentially our third choice striker alone up top and three holding midfielders.

I can only hope that it's a box with Hamer playing more alongside O'hare and looking to use his shooting from range to test the keeper. I also expect Walker and Godden to come on for the last half hour if we're showing any intent at all.

Also surprised Hyam is the player retained in defence ahead of Rose to bring Osti back in.

It's a dangerous ploy because if we don't get to that hour mark level to bring on the attacking subs it might be too late. We're giving them a chance to rebuild their confidence after a poor result midweek.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Right. So now we've gone up a division, playing against better teams, you want us to have less bodies in midfield?

I think the argument is that are players are shit now comparatively to the rest of the league, so instead of trying to play through the midfield and break down defences we should stick 2 up front and play direct football into the front men and channels, bypass the midfield and have the midfielders trying to pick up the knockdowns/make late runs to support the front men.

Not sure I agree with it but I can see there POV

 

[clint van damme]

Ultimately 1 up 2 up... If the balance isn't there during the match you're fucked either way

I've said before when the 1 up front 2 up front debate kicks off, you can isolate two strikers and we generally do.
We need to get our midfielders closer to the striker (s). Hopefully that is what will happen today.