Sarah Everard (5 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Again though, it is all this fictional utopia stuff.

If a gang of men


London is only getting rougher as well. This utopia doesn't exist.

Everywhere is dangerous in its own ways..... And I imagine there will never be a point in the future where they aren't, Wether a man stayed in or not... The wronguns would find a way

At no point are we completely safe in life, no point at all

What we are already forgetting here, is there is potentially a women involved in this murder

 

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[Deleted member 4439]

Oh I see, cheers.

Police have denied providing this advice, at least officially.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

The point is if women say that would help, I listen and act. I am a man, not a young one anymore. I can use my own experiences to judge how I act around other men when I'm out and about for the most part. Why would you not listen to women?

And if men were to say that you would do the same? Do you not think that it's less easy for a man to say that rather than a woman, so perhaps in fact you should just be doing it anyway?

 

[Skybluefaz]

And if men were to say that you would do the same? Do you not think that it's less easy for a man to say that rather than a woman, so perhaps in fact you should just be doing it anyway?

I have admitted I will probably change my behaviour particularly when walking near Women. I can't do anything other than hold my hands up and admit that I probably should have been doing it anyway. That might make me a bit thick in your eyes or something, I dunno. Toxic masculinity is a massive problem. Men should be able to open up without fear of being labelled weak or whatever. Lord knows that can lead to all sorts of other issues.

 

[David O'Day]

Joe Talbot said it best

"Sexual violence doesn't start and end with rape
It starts in our books and behind our school gates
Men are scared women will laugh in their face
Whereas women are scared it's their lives men will take"

 

[Evo1883]

I have admitted I will probably change my behaviour particularly when walking near Women. I can't do anything other than hold my hands up and admit that I probably should have been doing it anyway. That might make me a bit thick in your eyes or something, I dunno. Toxic masculinity is a massive problem. Men should be able to open up without fear of being labelled weak or whatever. Lord knows that can lead to all sorts of other issues.

What will you do, pull out a flute and play a rendition of East 17s it's all right whilst walking 500 metres away with your head facing the wall and a sticker on your back saying im not going to hurt you?

It's impractical nonsense

I will continue life as I do, because I'm no danger to women... Wether they trust me or not If I'm walking to the shop or my old man's at night isn't really an issue for me to address and certainly not one I will make an effort to address either

 

[Skybluefaz]

What will you do, pull out a flute and play a rendition of East 17s it's all right whilst walking 500 metres away with your head facing the wall and a sticker on your back saying im not going to hurt you?

It's impractical nonsense

I will continue life as I do, because I'm no danger to women... Wether they trust me or not isn't really an issue for me to address and certainly not one I will make an effort to address either

Fair enough. You do you. If it would make someone feel less threatened if I crossed the road though I'll try and be more conscious to do that.

 

[Evo1883]

Fair enough. You do you. If it would make someone feel less threatened if I crossed the road though I'll try and be more conscious to do that.

I'd argue mate, the more you try and act in a different way... The more strange you may appear to women

 

[Skybluefaz]

I'd argue mate, the more you try and act in a different way... The more strange you may appear to women

Yeah but you aren't a woman! And women are saying this would help therefore their lived experience is more help than your guess to me. I'll just finish on the subject with this last thing. Genuinely from the response from many women I was surprised they felt so threatened. It made me think about what I do, and I'll probably make more effort to do little things that might help.

 

[Evo1883]

Yeah but you aren't a woman! And women are saying this would help therefore their lived experience is more help than your guess to me. I'll just finish on the subject with this last thing. Genuinely from the response from many women I was surprised they felt so threatened. It made me think about what I do, and I'll probably make more effort to do little things that might help.

Well I have female family, I asked my sister, and my step mom, my missus .. Their opinion is different yours and the attention seekers on twitter.

Who to believe?

I'm not a women but I have women to talk to and ask

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I dont tend to make a habit of walking behind women at night on my own

Not since the court order, anyway.

 

[SG21]

Nick isn't following them. He's following his shadow.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I have admitted I will probably change my behaviour particularly when walking near Women. I can't do anything other than hold my hands up and admit that I probably should have been doing it anyway. That might make me a bit thick in your eyes or something, I dunno. Toxic masculinity is a massive problem. Men should be able to open up without fear of being labelled weak or whatever. Lord knows that can lead to all sorts of other issues.

'Toxic' masculinity is another shitty label that gets thrown around really.

 

[Evo1883]

'Toxic' masculinity is another shitty label that gets thrown around really.

Yes and women can be toxic as fuck too, especially when in power of something, as my missus has just proved to me

 

[Evo1883]

Ultimatley a young lady has lost her life to a weird sick fuck... That will still happen in the future irrespective if what you do to change how people feel

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I'd argue mate, the more you try and act in a different way... The more strange you may appear to women

In fairness, when in the past I have done this it has felt that I'm giving out exaggerated signals and therefore might actually be giving concern, especially if I have done this in an 'obvious' way; but it's hard to know how the other person perceives it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Even I would find it hard to cross the road in a way that made me look more odd than normal.

 

[oakey]

I'd argue mate, the more you try and act in a different way... The more strange you may appear to women

Not at all. Women notice when men are thoughtful and considerate. It's about common decency and empathy. Giving a disabled person a bit extra space, allowing a pushchair user time to navigate a doorway, holding a door open, please and thankyou, keeping your distance in a queue.
Some people lack manners and respect for others

 

[Sbarcher]

The blokes been arrested so that should give comfort to all. If we were nervous about "possibilities" we'd never leave home and let terrorists and bad'uns rule our lives.

 

[David O'Day]

The blokes been arrested so that should give comfort to all. If we were nervous about "possibilities" we'd never leave home and let terrorists and bad'uns rule our lives.

You say that but it is very different when as a woman after dark everyone makes you nervous.

You are hardly going to have to worry about "terrorists" walking down a darkened side street at night

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'd argue mate, the more you try and act in a different way... The more strange you may appear to women

In fairness, slightly off topic, if I ever want to seduce a woman, I just normally do the opposite of what I think is right.

I.e. Ignore them instead of being nice.

Anyway, back to the debate...

 

[Deleted member 4439]

You say that but it is very different when as a woman after dark everyone makes you nervous.

Bit condescending that, and stereotypical in terms of both men and women.

 

[Nick]

Now saying he was found in a cell with serious head injuries??

 

[SBT]

Yikes. The Met not exactly covering themselves in glory here.

 

[Evo1883]

Oh well, few slaps never hurt any sick c**t

 

[Ccfcisparks]

What a surprise people in power abusing their position to perform atrocities. Disgusting. Such a sad story.

 

[Nick]

Could have been self harm?

 

[Evo1883]

hahaha fucking try it, bet it goes well

 

[Ccfcisparks]

View attachment 19125hahaha fucking try it, bet it goes well

If you watch it it was a tongue in cheek comment responding to the met suggesting women stay inside.

 

[Evo1883]

If you watch it it was a tongue in cheek comment responding to the met suggesting women stay inside.

Ah OK fair enough... Alot of anti men sentiment on social media atm so it's hard to figure out what's legit or not

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Ah OK fair enough... Alot of anti men sentiment on social media atm so it's hard to figure out what's legit or not

Yeah there is. Social media is never a good way of gauging either side of an argument. I’ve learnt that the last couple of weeks with this and the Meghan situation.

 

[Nick]

Ah OK fair enough... Alot of anti men sentiment on social media atm so it's hard to figure out what's legit or not

Just had a woman on the news saying how it's time to have a discussion including men rather than women having to do everything to feel safe.

I just don't get what they want the vast majority of men to do who have no intention of harming anybody. Vigilante group?

I don't think women should be forced to stay indoors at all, I think any fucking nonce or rapist should be severely beaten.

 

[clint van damme]

Yikes. The Met not exactly covering themselves in glory here.

by far the dodgiest police force in the UK.

 

[clint van damme]

Just had a woman on the news saying how it's time to have a discussion including men rather than women having to do everything to feel safe.

I just don't get what they want the vast majority of men to do who have no intention of harming anybody. Vigilante group?

I don't think women should be forced to stay indoors at all, I think any fucking nonce or rapist should be severely beaten.

What does that even mean, it's just nonsense.
How would you have identified this MET officer in order to dish out this treatment to him?

 

[Deleted member 4439]

If you watch it it was a tongue in cheek comment responding to the met suggesting women stay inside.

Met have denied they did this.