Alex Nimely (3 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

Yes that is it. He was awesome on his debut but the fact that people then have to dig up some facts that he won a couple of penalties shows that he actually did very little.

Except win penalties...which should = GOAL!
As for the facts digging...That's much better than rumour & speculation - but you know that you usually support good your arguments with carefully selected facts.

 

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[Grendel]

Except win penalties...which should = GOAL!
As for the facts digging...That's much better than rumour & speculation - but you know that you usually support good your arguments with carefully selected facts.

Here's a fact for you - one goal in 26 Championship appearances - defenders have a better strike rate. We have a limited budget and we need goals. This one fact suggest he won't deliver. As for winning penalties we already have the past master in that department.

 

[dongonzalos]

And? He won 2 pens against a shocking leeds team (not 3 as indicated above), and won a penalty against Leicester in which he got clipped by the defender while chasing down the keeper and scored against 9 man middlesborough.

He made contributions in 3 games out of 17, Norwood pretty much shined in 90% of the games he played.

He was not awesome, if he was awesome Mowbray would have played him up top for middlesborough and would have started every game he was there.

He's got potential, he's got skill, but he hasn't got a very good footballing brain (yet) and made lots of poor decisions before and after getting injured.

So in his first 14 games before he got injured , he won 3 penalties, Set up two goals, scored one and 2 players were sent off for fouling him. All this for a team that lost 7, won 4 matches and drew 3.

Mowbray's view of him :-

“They trained with him every day and know what a threat he could be and how dangerous he is.
“They know that if they give him a chance he will probably stick it in the net.
“Let’s hope he has a quiet day.”

I am afraid he would be a very very useful asset for our team in League one. However I dont think it will happen as a fit Nimely is better than League one and he would be an asset to any Championship side.

I am not saying he would be our out and out goalscorer that is the job for Cody.

We also need to sign a target man but Nimely would be a very good signing.

A lot of time for Cov he was played out to the right handside as well.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

And? He won 2 pens against a shocking leeds team (not 3 as indicated above), and won a penalty against Leicester in which he got clipped by the defender while chasing down the keeper and scored against 9 man middlesborough.

He made contributions in 3 games out of 17, Norwood pretty much shined in 90% of the games he played.

He was not awesome, if he was awesome Mowbray would have played him up top for middlesborough and would have started every game he was there.

He's got potential, he's got skill, but he hasn't got a very good footballing brain (yet) and made lots of poor decisions before and after getting injured.

Really so this is the only contributions he made to the team, funny as off the top off my head I remember him assisting a goal to Norwood vs Pompy.

If we labelled Nimely as a an attacking mid which is where most games he was dropping deep to play then you wouldn't be giving him as much criticism because we are labelling him as striker you are just saying he isn't good enough because he didn't score goals.

He may never be an out and out goalscorer but he was exciting and he made things happen, he dropped deep and linked up the play and had the best control and tight dribbling at the club

I am just astonished that after dropping down a league now some fans think we are too good for Nimely

Pretty much most of our best attacking moves went through Nimely, I am probably reading too much into this but is it a coincidence that his injury and the introduction of the target man Platt coincided with our loss of form near the end of the year

 

[Astute]

It won't happen.

We need a goalscorer and he is too good for Div3

 

[TommyZoom]

I personally think he'd be a good edition, even if it's just as a substitute for the last 15 minutes, his pace 'could' create something in this league.

 

[Astute]

There are a lot of players that are too good for Div3 that could do a good job for us.

 

[covcity4life]

LOVE to get him back on loan

 

[dongonzalos]

I agree too good for league 1. Also thinking about it. If all three penalties were put away like the should have been. Then that would have been 1 goal, 5 assists, 2 players sent off for fouling him in his first 14 games prior to injury. In a team that were struggling.
I'll stick with he had an awesome impact for us.

 

[stupot07]

Really so this is the only contributions he made to the team, funny as off the top off my head I remember him assisting a goal to Norwood vs Pompy.

If we labelled Nimely as a an attacking mid which is where most games he was dropping deep to play then you wouldn't be giving him as much criticism because we are labelling him as striker you are just saying he isn't good enough because he didn't score goals.

He may never be an out and out goalscorer but he was exciting and he made things happen, he dropped deep and linked up the play and had the best control and tight dribbling at the club

I am just astonished that after dropping down a league now some fans think we are too good for Nimely

Pretty much most of our best attacking moves went through Nimely, I am probably reading too much into this but is it a coincidence that his injury and the introduction of the target man Platt coincided with our loss of form near the end of the year

Your wrong platt and nimely started together from the start of Nimely's loan spell.

“Clive’s a big lad who is very good at holding the ball,” said Nimely. “I’m very happy to play alongside him – he makes it easier for me and I’m so grateful to him.”

Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/2012/01/25/coventry-city-alex-nimely-happy-to-play-alongside-clive-platt-after-working-with-roque-santa-cruz-and-jo-silva-92746-30195875/#ixzz20lmrmyu0

 

[stupot07]

So in his first 14 games before he got injured , he won 3 penalties, Set up two goals, scored one and 2 players were sent off for fouling him. All this for a team that lost 7, won 4 matches and drew 3.

Mowbray's view of him :-

“They trained with him every day and know what a threat he could be and how dangerous he is.
“They know that if they give him a chance he will probably stick it in the net.
“Let’s hope he has a quiet day.”

I am afraid he would be a very very useful asset for our team in League one. However I dont think it will happen as a fit Nimely is better than League one and he would be an asset to any Championship side.

I am not saying he would be our out and out goalscorer that is the job for Cody.

We also need to sign a target man but Nimely would be a very good signing.

A lot of time for Cov he was played out to the right handside as well.

Quite ironic that Mowbray rated him so highly that he hardly played for them, and was played out of his preferred position.

 

[covcity4life]

I agree too good for league 1. Also thinking about it. If all three penalties were put away like the should have been. Then that would have been 1 goal, 5 assists, 2 players sent off for fouling him in his first 14 games prior to injury. In a team that were struggling.
I'll stick with he had an awesome impact for us.

exactly and if not for some world class saves he would have bagged another 3-4 goals too imo

he would be great signing for us.

stupot your a good poster but you are OVERLY negative as it seems your trying to keep your fellow fans grounded, its not required though.

 

[Grendel]

exactly and if not for some world class saves he would have bagged another 3-4 goals too imo

he would be great signing for us.

stupot your a good poster but you are OVERLY negative as it seems your trying to keep your fellow fans grounded, its not required though.

The point he makes though is valid. We will only be able to sign a limited number of players. We have strikers already who have very poor returns. Nimeley would have to be one the strikers we sign. Put it this way if a modern Mick Quinn was available and you had a choice who would you go for? If it is football skill there is only one answer, if it is awareness in the penalty area and goal prowess it is the other answer and that is the one we need.

 

[stupot07]

exactly and if not for some world class saves he would have bagged another 3-4 goals too imo

he would be great signing for us.

stupot your a good poster but you are OVERLY negative as it seems your trying to keep your fellow fans grounded, its not required though.

I said the same things about him in April. I think he is a raw talent, but is not a championship standard striker yet. League one would his level at the minute.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/16849-Platt-and-Cody/page6

If he came back I would support him, but I can't see him bringing what we need in this division - goals.

If we were to being a young lad in I would rather go for Joe Schlupp from Leicester - his record on loan at Brentford was awesome - 6(3) apps 6 goals.

 

[dongonzalos]

Quite ironic that Mowbray rated him so highly that he hardly played for them, and was played out of his preferred position.

Could be Mowbrays preferred style of play or system. Maybe he needed more of a target man and unlike us had a few players of nimely's style. Hence him going for juke. You say Mowbray didn't rate him. I can only go on what Mowbray said and on that day he was right.

 

[covcity4life]

The point he makes though is valid. We will only be able to sign a limited number of players. We have strikers already who have very poor returns. Nimeley would have to be one the strikers we sign. Put it this way if a modern Mick Quinn was available and you had a choice who would you go for? If it is football skill there is only one answer, if it is awareness in the penalty area and goal prowess it is the other answer and that is the one we need.

fair point but i see the potential for nimely to get 15 goals in league one,especially now that without a big man upfront his game will be more than chasing knock ons.

 

[Grendel]

Could be Mowbrays preferred style of play or system. Maybe he needed more of a target man and unlike us had a few players of nimely's style. Hence him going for juke. You say Mowbray didn't rate him. I can only go on what Mowbray said and on that day he was right.

Our strike force if he joined us;

O'Donovan 12 goals in 76 goals
McDonald 33 goals in 89 games
Elliot 46 goals in 222 games
Nimeley 1 goal in 26 games

 

[Maupet]

I would love to see alex nimely come back. All in needs to learn is when to bring others into the game. He is a little too greedy. He will then be ready to kick on to great things

 

[dongonzalos]

I wouldn't want him as an out out striker but more an impact make things happen player. Different option for the wing and up front instead of rod or Jeffers.

Cody, nimely, big man, Elliot.

It is a tough one really. Would actually like another poacher aswell but that is unlikely.

I just think he is being given an injustice if he isn't given credit for the impact he had. If we are going to have a thin squad experience wise, then someone like him could be very useful in a number of positions.

But yes if cody gets injured we have no poacher and we still need a target man. We are likely to only get 3 more signings and we still need a replacement for Norwood.

I don't think nimely will drop to this level. I would prefer him to some of the options we already have.
However if we had to sign three now I would ask for target man, poacher and creative midfielder. So unless we could get him on the back of one going out then it is unlikely from our perspective aswell.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Your wrong platt and nimely started together from the start of Nimely's loan spell.

“Clive’s a big lad who is very good at holding the ball,” said Nimely. “I’m very happy to play alongside him – he makes it easier for me and I’m so grateful to him.”

Read More http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...uz-and-jo-silva-92746-30195875/#ixzz20lmrmyu0

Ah so you chose to ignore everything else I said :facepalm: a typical response from this forum, he was still injured when our survival went tits up at the end of the season which was the point I was making there

I normally agree with most things you say but on this occasion you are just spouting shit

You keep going on about how he wasn't considered good enough to play for Middelsbrough so therefore not good enough for us, Middelsbrough were a side pushing for the play offs and we were struggling against relegation and are now in league 1 so that doesn't hold much weight. Unless of course you were expecting us to sign players of a standard which would get us promoted into the premiership in which case you are deluded.

 

[stupot07]

Ah so you chose to ignore everything else I said :facepalm: a typical response from this forum, he was still injured when our survival went tits up at the end of the season which was the point I was making there

I normally agree with most things you say but on this occasion you are just spouting shit

You keep going on about how he wasn't considered good enough to play for Middelsbrough so therefore not good enough for us, Middelsbrough were a side pushing for the play offs and we were struggling against relegation and are now in league 1 so that doesn't hold much weight. Unless of course you were expecting us to sign players of a standard which would get us promoted into the premiership in which case you are deluded.

You are also ignoring half of what I said.

1) he is full of raw talent, he excited me when he first came but defenders worked him out. His movement was poor and not varied enough. It's as if he has been far too talented of opposition defenders at youth and reserve level that he could create his own chances, so has never needed to learn proper strikers movement. He drops into the hole every time and rarely runs in behind and therefore doesn't vary his movement. Also when the ball was worked out wide he never made runs into the box. Nearly all of his shots were from outside the box.

2) he wasn't awesome. Awesome suggests that he looked head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch in most games. He didn't.

3) the budgets tight, we need to spend our money wisely. We already have a lot of inexperienced players and need a goalscorer to complement cody. Nimely might score 15 in league, however his strike rate last season suggests he won't.

4) yes we're are in league one, but look at the teams that have been promoted - most have done so by having a proven goalscorer.

5) my point about middlesborough is tha Mowbray looked at him and didn't see him as a striker, he even came on as sub for them on the wing. And he didn't want to extens the loan. They wanted Juke, yet juke struggled to make an impact for them.

If he comes I would welcome him with open arms, but I don't think he is the right player for us.

 

[sky blue john]

You are also ignoring half of what I said.

1) he is full of raw talent, he excited me when he first came but defenders worked him out. His movement was poor and not varied enough. It's as if he has been far too talented of opposition defenders at youth and reserve level that he could create his own chances, so has never needed to learn proper strikers movement. He drops into the hole every time and rarely runs in behind and therefore doesn't vary his movement. Also when the ball was worked out wide he never made runs into the box. Nearly all of his shots were from outside the box.

2) he wasn't awesome. Awesome suggests that he looked head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch in most games. He didn't.

3) the budgets tight, we need to spend our money wisely. We already have a lot of inexperienced players and need a goalscorer to complement cody. Nimely might score 15 in league, however his strike rate last season suggests he won't.

4) yes we're are in league one, but look at the teams that have been promoted - most have done so by having a proven goalscorer.

5) my point about middlesborough is tha Mowbray looked at him and didn't see him as a striker, he even came on as sub for them on the wing. And he didn't want to extens the loan. They wanted Juke, yet juke struggled to make an impact for them.

If he comes I would welcome him with open arms, but I don't think he is the right player for us.

Sorry Stu I have to agree with CCFC on this one.
You don't think he is the right player for us ?
A player that can run at defenders causing them to panic and give away penalties in a division above the one we are currently in ?
No sorry your right we wouldn't want a player like this in div 1 !!!

 

[skyblueinBaku]

With his pace and ball control skill, he would be a real handful for defenders in this division. He would be a real asset for us. I'd love to see him back here - but there is, I think, very little chance of it happening.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

You are also ignoring half of what I said.

1) he is full of raw talent, he excited me when he first came but defenders worked him out. His movement was poor and not varied enough. It's as if he has been far too talented of opposition defenders at youth and reserve level that he could create his own chances, so has never needed to learn proper strikers movement. He drops into the hole every time and rarely runs in behind and therefore doesn't vary his movement. Also when the ball was worked out wide he never made runs into the box. Nearly all of his shots were from outside the box.

2) he wasn't awesome. Awesome suggests that he looked head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch in most games. He didn't.

3) the budgets tight, we need to spend our money wisely. We already have a lot of inexperienced players and need a goalscorer to complement cody. Nimely might score 15 in league, however his strike rate last season suggests he won't.

4) yes we're are in league one, but look at the teams that have been promoted - most have done so by having a proven goalscorer.

5) my point about middlesborough is tha Mowbray looked at him and didn't see him as a striker, he even came on as sub for them on the wing. And he didn't want to extens the loan. They wanted Juke, yet juke struggled to make an impact for them.

If he comes I would welcome him with open arms, but I don't think he is the right player for us.

1) I agree but he would still have the defenders tied up in knots in this division
2) I never said he was awesome but he was still the most exciting player we had
3) Yea the budget is tight, why if we can bring in someone of his talent in on the cheap we should do it
4) Same as point 3 really, you are going to struggle to get a proven goalscorer on a tight budget
5) Middelsbrough were pushing for the play offs in the championship, we will hopefully be pushing for the play offs in league 1 so there is a big difference

He isn't an out and out striker so if you want him to bang in 20+ goals he will always disappoint you. You are judging him on goals alone when that isn't even his primary role to score goals

Saying he isn't the right player for us is a better argument than just saying he is poor because he doesn't score goals because scoring goals isn't his primary role and you can't ignore other qualities he has

Oh well I hear ROD is a proven goalscorer at this level :thinking about:

 

[1nilandwe...]

Bit of devil's advocate here I guess, but would any of the people in the pro-Nimely camp be worried about the history of failure? i.e. Nimely was brought in last season to try and keep us in the league, he looked good but he ultimately failed in that objective. Would it be more beneficial to start as afresh as we can and bring in players who didn't experience the horrible end to last season? Try and eliminate the losing mentality around the place and all that.

 

[stupot07]

Sorry Stu I have to agree with CCFC on this one.
You don't think he is the right player for us ?
A player that can run at defenders causing them to panic and give away penalties in a division above the one we are currently in ?
No sorry your right we wouldn't want a player like this in div 1 !!!

He won 2 penalties by running at people, 1 was an elbow jumping for a header and the other he got clipped while closing down the keeper.

And I never said I wouldn't have him above ROD and Jeffers did I? I said the budgets tight and I would rather go for someone who has a decent goalscoring record at that level if I had to choose.

 

[Sky Blue Jay]

Nimely and misfud upfront for me

 

[usskyblue]

He won 2 penalties by running at people, 1 was an elbow jumping for a header and the other he got clipped while closing down the keeper.

And I never said I wouldn't have him above ROD and Jeffers did I? I said the budgets tight and I would rather go for someone who has a decent goalscoring record at that level if I had to choose.

I agree, the need is for a goal scorer.

You can create all day long, but if there's no end product...

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

He won 2 penalties by running at people, 1 was an elbow jumping for a header and the other he got clipped while closing down the keeper.

And I never said I wouldn't have him above ROD and Jeffers did I? I said the budgets tight and I would rather go for someone who has a decent goalscoring record at that level if I had to choose.

Like ROD

 

[usskyblue]

Like ROD

Why would Thorn say we need two strikers?

 

[andyboy81]

Overrated... and just so this comment is posted I will even say....

VASTLY OVERRATED!!

 

[Astute]

Why would Thorn say we need two strikers?

So you think we can do a whole season without losing strikers to injuries/suspensions?

 

[usskyblue]

So you think we can do a whole season without losing strikers to injuries/suspensions?

I wasn't disagreeing with the need.

I was merely crushing an alternative argument. It's my job.

 

[dongonzalos]

Fact of the matter is he is a lot better than most of the players we have as proven by the fact he scored a goal, won three penalities, had 2 players sent off for fouls on him. Had 4 assists, which should have been 5 if the other panelty was scored, all in just 14 games before he picked up a knock. What did other attacking players we have do over those 14 games?

However I take the point priorities wise we need another goal scorer. My gut feeling is he would bang in the goals as well. However the stats show that, that would be a gamble.

If I found out tomorrow we had signed him I would be chuffed to bits as he would definately improve our squad.

Saying that, If you gave me a choice between him and a proven goal machine. I would chose the machine.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

The point he makes though is valid. We will only be able to sign a limited number of players. We have strikers already who have very poor returns. Nimeley would have to be one the strikers we sign. Put it this way if a modern Mick Quinn was available and you had a choice who would you go for? If it is football skill there is only one answer, if it is awareness in the penalty area and goal prowess it is the other answer and that is the one we need.

That's Cody's job. We still need the Ndlovu/Williams type to go with him (ie Nimely), not to mention the Rosario-type with his back to goal: although I do believe Sumo's best spell was with Rosario in midfield.