The latest social media trend (15 Viewers)
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Liquid Gold
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Like it if you want, ignore it if you want. Whatever. There's stupid shit on both sides, "snowflakes" is till the stupidest shit in the world.
If you want to love a bit of fabric with colours in a certain pattern then go for it, just don't use it as a stick to beat people who don't feel the same.
It's like me going batshit at someone saying football is just people kicking a ball around then projecting sky sports on their house all day.
Too little of people just living their lives and not giving a shit anymore. Facebook and twitter have allowed us to shut ourselves off in small bubbles of people with the same feelings and allow us to portray people who think differently. I'm sure if we went to the pub together, flag shagger or snowflake woke, we could ignore that and talk about our favourite away day for hours instead.
If you want to love a bit of fabric with colours in a certain pattern then go for it, just don't use it as a stick to beat people who don't feel the same.
It's like me going batshit at someone saying football is just people kicking a ball around then projecting sky sports on their house all day.
Too little of people just living their lives and not giving a shit anymore. Facebook and twitter have allowed us to shut ourselves off in small bubbles of people with the same feelings and allow us to portray people who think differently. I'm sure if we went to the pub together, flag shagger or snowflake woke, we could ignore that and talk about our favourite away day for hours instead.
Evo1883
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Taken in that context its fine... However you and I both know that it's not the context that most people use it in, they genuinely get irritated by the British flag and people who are passionate about their country.... Take dick chops in the replies for example
im sure he can tell David beckham, mo farah etc that theyve achieved nothing, 22 year soldiers with good pensions and a multitude of life experience, they've achieved nothing...Normal people who just love their country, they've achieved nothing...
Crazy mindset
Liquid Gold
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By the same standard don't you think people who say "It's our flag, love it or leave the country" are out of their fucking minds?
Evo1883
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Ofcourse I do, but why are people always trying to pin the flag to dickheads when most ordinary working class decent people just love their country? Is it such an alien concept.
Liquid Gold
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It's just social media amplifying the worst of all sides.
Evo1883
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I know it is... I have no clue why I bother looking on it tbh... Said it for weeks now
Liquid Gold
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I have the best time at music festivals and a lot of it is being with mates, seeing live music and getting off my face but also I really love that I can't use my phone, just a little burner to find each other when we're lost. If social media was down for a month this country would be much better off.
skybluetony176
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British sports stars wave the flag from a very different starting point to the likes of Farage, Robinson and their disciples though and that’s what trigger people like this guy (whoever he is) and that’s why they ruin it for everyone else. It’s a reaction to an action. If the flag waving was used in the correct spirit everyone would be proud of it. It’s been hi jacked by racist, delusional British exceptionalisms, delusional nationalist etc including the Tories.
Put the horse before the cart. If you want to get angry about it get angry with those who bastardised the flag not those who have been turned away from it because of those.
TomRad85
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Biamou would be gutted, he'd have to start playing like a professional footballer. Conversely Sheaf would be delighted.
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Liquid Gold
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He's only happy training with Arsenal
TomRad85
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Evo1883
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No they don't ruin it for everybody else at all.
Its like saying Hitler ruined the German national anthem, did he? No..
Most people just love their country... It's the same around pretty much the whole world and their own countries...
They aren't Flag shaggers
I mean I wouldn't call this witch a flag shagger, and she's much more an extreme nationalist than many
skybluetony176
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Who remembers Cool Britannia. The children of Irish immigrants forming a band and flying the flag, the daughter of a Spanish woman wearing a Union Jack dress flying the flag. Everyone was proud of the flag then.
All we’ve got now is drool Britannia. A bunch of droolers waving a flag of a Union under the guise that makes you a patriot while voting to break the Union up accusing everyone who didn’t vote for it of being unpatriotic.
The last time this country looked United it was under Tony Blair. Tony fucking Blair. Look how low we’ve fallen. That’s what 10 years of the Tories and the politics of fear and division do to a nation. What a bunch of plebs we are.
All we’ve got now is drool Britannia. A bunch of droolers waving a flag of a Union under the guise that makes you a patriot while voting to break the Union up accusing everyone who didn’t vote for it of being unpatriotic.
The last time this country looked United it was under Tony Blair. Tony fucking Blair. Look how low we’ve fallen. That’s what 10 years of the Tories and the politics of fear and division do to a nation. What a bunch of plebs we are.
Evo1883
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Tony, your obsession with the EU is clouding your judgement here... To be a proud brit and being a part of the European Union in no way shape or form correlate.
We are still European geographically and always will be...
All you are doing is telling me Indirectly you pretty much agree with the knob heads on twitter... And that's fine
I didn't like Tony Blair after the Iraq war, still loved Britain.
I dont like Boris... Still love Britain
rondog1973
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It's dickheads appropriating it, i.e. the current cabinet, rather than people pinning it to them.
Classic facistic tactic: Claim flag and declare opposition traitors.
Evo1883
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Your argument would make sense if this wasn't a picture
rondog1973
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He received a great deal of criticism for this for the reasons stated so makes perfect sense still.
Evo1883
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He received criticism off the very kind of people calling people flag shaggers on social media...
Most "normal" people just see a politician with a union flag behind him and think nothing else
TomRad85
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From oddballs. I think its a smart thing for him to do.
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skybluetony176
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Actually he did. After the war East Germany had its own national anthem and West for many years used other traditional German songs instead. When they did bring it back it’s never been brought back in full as the full lyrics sound too... well, too NAZI. So he absolutely did ruin it with nationalism and exceptionalism. There’s lessons in history if people want to pay attention. If they don’t we end up with nationalist running the country.
Evo1883
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This isn't true Tony, the song used hasn't changed at all... Germany have used the same song since before world war 1, they've used 3 different verses or stanzas during this period... The whole song remains the same and nothing was altered
Moral of the story... Who I like politically doesn't play a part in my love for my country.
TomRad85
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But Starmer got criticised for being in close proximity to the flag?
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ajsccfc
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Not surprising, any nuance of point crushed swiftly by flag=bad simpletons as we turn into the USA
Evo1883
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All these people do... Is help destroy their own causes... As normal people who simply want to get on with their life get annoyed by pretty much everything these people stand for by mocking something they feel passionate about... Being in a minority and behaving like a dick, usually has that effect.
skybluetony176
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They only use one verse. They dropped 2 when they started using it again because it’s considered too imperialistic after the antics of the Nazis.
Evo1883
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I know they use only 1 verse, there are 3 different verses in the song and all three have been used at some point ... It's all still one song and nothing has been removed.
skybluetony176
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And again
Germany's national anthem withstood 175 years of change – DW – 08/26/2016
It's been called too republican and was misused by the Nazis. The German national anthem, sung to a melody by Haydn, was written 175 years ago. "Unity, justice and freedom" seem to be resilient to political upheaval.
www.google.co.uk
Evo1883
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And again
Are you really arguing that Hitler didn’t ruin the German National anthem?Germany's national anthem withstood 175 years of change – DW – 08/26/2016
It's been called too republican and was misused by the Nazis. The German national anthem, sung to a melody by Haydn, was written 175 years ago. "Unity, justice and freedom" seem to be resilient to political upheaval.
No.. Your original post stated lines had been removed from the anthem... I pointed out the Whole song Was still the same, but now they use a different verse... And you're telling me What I told you back
So no, I'm Not saying Hitler didn't ruin the national anthem, I'm saying they still use the same song... Just a different verse
skybluetony176
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I actually said that they didn’t bring it back in full. Read the article. It tells you it wasn’t brought back until 1952 and on the proviso that only the third verse is used.
Evo1883
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Ok fair enough.. They didn't bring back any of it then technically as they changed verse.
Il give you it though, I accept it was probably a shit example to use too... One of the most disgusting people in recent history not the best example tbh.
That being said, my argument about Blair Boris etc... Didn't change my love for Britain or the flag
Probably in the same way that many Germans love their nation too
Evo1883
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Actually Tony ... My opinion is this... Patriotism is brilliant when channeled correctly... Politics aside.. I love Britain.. It's people, its humour and its way of life.. If not a little too cold and damp for my liking.
The flag is a part of it.. It's ours.. It represents us all and our achievements.
Thats just how I feel
The flag is a part of it.. It's ours.. It represents us all and our achievements.
Thats just how I feel