European breakaway league (28 Viewers)

[SkyBlueSoul]

 

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[shmmeee]

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Like they can talk

 

[better days]

Much as I'd like to see the greedy 6 thrown out of the PL I suspect the reason they got Spurs in was to ensure the opposing clubs can't get 75% in any vote to take action against them
Don't know all the PL rules but in businesses big changes normally need more than 75% in favour to succeed
With the evil JP Morgan financing it you can be sure their amoral lawyers would have covered all the angles to protect the owners who are forcing this through

 

[shmmeee]

Just loving that all of footballs response has basically been

 

[shmmeee]

Much as I'd like to see the greedy 6 thrown out of the PL I suspect the reason they got Spurs in was to ensure the opposing clubs can't get 75% in any vote to take action against them
Don't know all the PL rules but in businesses big changes normally need more than 75% in favour to succeed
With the evil JP Morgan financing it you can be sure their amoral lawyers would have covered all the angles to protect the owners who are forcing this through

Nope 2/3 majority needed so 14 clubs

 

[better days]

Nope 2/3 majority needed so 14 clubs

That's interesting
I'd love to see it
But I guess Sky, BT Sport and Amazon would complain if the 6 were thrown out immediately

 

[chiefdave]

Is this the real endgame? Sky quoting a senior figure at one of the breakaway six Premier League clubs as saying the ESL’s plans could be sidelined if fundamental changes to the present Champions League structure were agreed with UEFA and the 12 founding ESL clubs.

Although the same source says the Champions League, which generates revenues of nearly 3 billion Euros a season, is a commercial failure.

What I can't find is what they actually want the changes to the Champions League to be. The revenue split has already been changed in favour of the 'big' clubs, one of those clubs knocked out in an earlier round can earn more than the winners, and more games were added and even more being proposed to be added currently, to satisfy these clubs.

 

[shmmeee]

Here’s a mental idea. If these clubs want more money why don’t they try hoovering up less talent and paying less ridiculous wages? It ain’t fucking Crystal Palace inflating wages to the point where Michael Doyle earns £300k/week.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Here’s a mental idea. If these clubs want more money why don’t they try hoovering up less talent and paying less ridiculous wages? It ain’t fucking Crystal Palace inflating wages to the point where Michael Doyle earns £300k/week.

Well seeing as the bottom side getting £100 million seemingly isn’t enough fuck knows what is

 

[Liquid Gold]

Is this the real endgame? Sky quoting a senior figure at one of the breakaway six Premier League clubs as saying the ESL’s plans could be sidelined if fundamental changes to the present Champions League structure were agreed with UEFA and the 12 founding ESL clubs.

Although the same source says the Champions League, which generates revenues of nearly 3 billion Euros a season, is a commercial failure.

What I can't find is what they actually want the changes to the Champions League to be. The revenue split has already been changed in favour of the 'big' clubs, one of those clubs knocked out in an earlier round can earn more than the winners, and more games were added and even more being proposed to be added currently, to satisfy these clubs.

I suspect they want auto qualification to the champions league.

 

[rexo87]

This is just a rambling nonsense. TV deals are going down because of two things IMO, over-saturation of the market and expansion of tournaments like the Champions League (to please the very same clubs now saying they are leaving) resulting in more meaningless games. The solution isn't to throw more meaningless games onto the market!

Its not rocket science, if big clubs are losing money stop spending so much! That would actually benefit the whole football pyramid. How much better would it be for us if clubs who had been in the PL weren't spending such ridiculous amounts and didn't have millions in parachute payments? And the other clubs in the Championship weren't happily losing tens of millions a season in the hope of reaching the promised land?

Also how do you complain about clubs losing money while owners are extracting eye watering amounts?

As for saying that players won't be banned from national teams and that teams can't be thrown out of domestic competitions how will that work exactly? The England team is the responsibly of the FA and the competitions the responsibly of FIFA & UEFA. If certain players are suspended they can't play. Even if they aren't suspended the FA can just instruct the manager not to select players from certain teams.

Similarly with the domestic leagues. There are rules that govern who can play in them. Or is he suggesting a free for all and Sepalla can just announce we're now a Premier League club and nobody can do anything about it?

If he thinks he can fall back on EU law he needs someone to tell him the English clubs are based in a country that's no longer in the EU.

"If no Super League football will die by 2024" this is the most bonkers statement of all. Even if every club in the Premier League and EFL went bust tomorrow phoenix clubs would emerge and a new league would be formed.

Totally agree with all of that. He’s an absolute clown


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[wingy]

Much as I'd like to see the greedy 6 thrown out of the PL I suspect the reason they got Spurs in was to ensure the opposing clubs can't get 75% in any vote to take action against them
Don't know all the PL rules but in businesses big changes normally need more than 75% in favour to succeed
With the evil JP Morgan financing it you can be sure their amoral lawyers would have covered all the angles to protect the owners who are forcing this through

What exactly is determined in a player's contract BD,is there anything likely in those problematic?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I suspect they want auto qualification to the champions league.

They want a Euro coefficient to rescue teams who have a dodgy season, a bit like how relegation works in some South American leagues

 

[chiefdave]

They want a Euro coefficient to rescue teams who have a dodgy season, a bit like how relegation works in some South American leagues

Haven't they already got that?

Qualification for the UEFA Champions League will continue to be open and earned through a team’s performance in domestic competitions.

One of the additional places will go to the club ranked third in the championship of the association in fifth position in the UEFA national association ranking. Another will be awarded to a domestic champion by extending from four to five the number of clubs qualifying via the so-called “Champions Path”.

The final two places will go to the clubs with the highest club coefficient over the last five years that have not qualified for the Champions League group stage but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase, the Europa League or the Europa Conference League.

 

[chiefdave]

Coventry City joins the wider footballing world in condemning the plans for a so-called ‘European Super League’.

The plans are divisive and threaten the very fabric of the sport in this country.

The competitive nature of the league structure and the ability for Clubs to earn their right to play in competitions is integral to football in this country, and what makes it so exciting and compelling for all of us who care about the sport. The proposed ‘Super League’ threatens that structure and the importance those Clubs play in their communities.


These plans are driven solely by the greed of the Clubs involved and for their own financial benefit, and have tarnished the reputation of the game.

Especially at a time when supporters are not able to attend games, this is a kick in the teeth for fans of those Clubs, all football supporters and the wider football family.

We support the efforts being made by fans, the EFL, the FA, the Government, other organisations and individuals in opposing these plans.

 

[better days]

What exactly is determined in a player's contract BD,is there anything likely in those problematic?

Contracts will often have appearance fees to start or come on in Champions League or Europa League games
And win bonuses for the various rounds and so on
As the ESL hasn't existed before there will be no provision for it
But players won't be able to refuse to play in protest if they disagree with their club joining

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The only solution if it goes ahead is too kick them out of every other competition

Don't clubs need to vote 75% in favour to kick them out of the Premier League?

Isn't six clubs just the amount needed to prevent a 75% vote?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Here’s a mental idea. If these clubs want more money why don’t they try hoovering up less talent and paying less ridiculous wages? It ain’t fucking Crystal Palace inflating wages to the point where Michael Doyle earns £300k/week.

Exactly. I was saying to a couple of mates, the money in the premier and champions leagues is already obscene....yet these billionaires throw ridiculous sums at players and agents and then start crying that they want a larger slice of the pie ! Stop paying players like Sanchez 500k p/w, Ozil 300k+ p/w and you might start making some more money. I did see as part of this ESL there might be a salary cap...about time... FFP just makes it harder for emerging clubs (which is what the established elite clubs wanted) but something needs to happen as the game has never been richer, with billions sloshing around, but is haemorrhaging cash

 

[Deleted member 5849]

FFP just makes it harder for emerging clubs

Yeah, ffp is not a solution, it's a mechanism to keep the richest at the top and squash competition.

 

[SBAndy]

Is this the real endgame? Sky quoting a senior figure at one of the breakaway six Premier League clubs as saying the ESL’s plans could be sidelined if fundamental changes to the present Champions League structure were agreed with UEFA and the 12 founding ESL clubs.

Although the same source says the Champions League, which generates revenues of nearly 3 billion Euros a season, is a commercial failure.

What I can't find is what they actually want the changes to the Champions League to be. The revenue split has already been changed in favour of the 'big' clubs, one of those clubs knocked out in an earlier round can earn more than the winners, and more games were added and even more being proposed to be added currently, to satisfy these clubs.

They want changes to benefit them. Again. For how much longer does football as a whole allow a cartel of the super-wealthy continue to load the deck in their favour, without so much as a whimper?

 

[Frostie]

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Sorry if this is a repeat, couldn't see it posted

NEWS: Coventry City condemns 'European Super League' plans

 

[dadgad]

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[Evo1883]

Imagine after 4 or 5 matches , some teams will already have nothing to play for as the better clubs push on ...knowing there is no relegation etc how fucking boring matches will be for both fans and players ?

Players and clubs nor giving a fuck because they've 350 Mill coming in no matter what .

Spend nothing , pay shareholders , field a youth team because it doesn't matter where we finish...what a crock of shit

 

[Frostie]

Imagine after 4 or 5 matches , some teams will already have nothing to play for as the better clubs push on ...knowing there is no relegation etc how fucking boring matches will be for both fans and players ?

Exactly.

Not sure where this notion that these 'elite' clubs put on a good spectacle has come from either...

 

[Evo1883]

Exactly.

Not sure where this notion that these 'elite' clubs put on a good spectacle has come from either...

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I've said a few times in the Premier league thread , the league is not as good as it used to be ..
It would actually be a BETTER spectacle without these super teams as matches would have more flow ...initially ofcourse that is as eventually you'd end up with new teams that were regarded as elite in the league

 

[chiefdave]

I know its been said they were expecting a PR backlash but you have to wonder if they were expecting this much backlash.

 

[shmmeee]

I've said a few times in the Premier league thread , the league is not as good as it used to be ..
It would actually be a BETTER spectacle without these super teams as matches would have more flow ...initially ofcourse that is as eventually you'd end up with new teams that were regarded as elite in the league

That’s why you need equitable cash distribution, a better youth model, and a sensible spending cap. Then everyone’s happy: owners can make millions because past a certain point they can’t spend any more on the team, fans get a competitive league, players get more opportunities in a more even league.

Hopefully this teaches everyone including Sky et al that handing too much power to a few clubs is a Bad Idea

 

[chiefdave]

Don't clubs need to vote 75% in favour to kick them out of the Premier League?

Isn't six clubs just the amount needed to prevent a 75% vote?

Is it the case they would need a vote to change the rules where this is clubs breaking existing rules?

 

[Paul Anthony]

Is it the case they would need a vote to change the rules where this is clubs breaking existing rules?

This is where Rule L9 comes into it, as I understand it, which forbids teams from playing in any competition that hasn't been officially recognised by the Premier League except with the prior written permission of the board. It technically means the 6 clubs are in breach of the Premier League regulations, which you'd imagine leaves room for them being kicked out automatically.

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere in the thread, only been flicking through now and again.

 

[chiefdave]

Latest from The Times

At least one of the ‘big six’ English clubs is considering whether to withdraw from the new Super League after being taken aback by the volume of opposition, including from their own fans.

Although Super League insiders insist that all 12 are committed to the project, The Times understands that at least one English club is having emergency internal discussions on the best way forward, with some of the executives deeply concerned about alienating their fans.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Looks like some of the clubs might be thinking this isn’t the best idea.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Once one goes it will crumble

 

[Evo1883]

The clubs involved will never be looked at the same again in this country regardless of wether it happens or not

They should be thankful fans aren't in stadiums at the moment as it would be much much worse