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[Philosoraptor]

Oh we’re doing guilt by association are we?

Councillor jailed on sex charges

Disgraced Tory councillor Peter Stidworthy was today jailed for 21 months after admitting a string of child sex offences.

www.coventrytelegraph.net

No charges for assault probe Nuneaton councillor

Rob Tromans, the former deputy PCC, had quit the Conservatives amid the assault probe.

www.bbc.com

(Former Tory, but that doesn’t usually stop you)

City councillor brands LGBT community "promiscuous"

He also said a video showing two women kissing was pornography

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Guess all Tories are perverted.

Ridiculous way to decide who to vote for. Yes there are dodgy councillors, in a population of several thousand that will happen. No it doesn’t tell you anything.

I would think corruption isn't acceptable at any level of Government.

Or by any individuals in any political party.

This is your post though.

I mean at its core it definitely is. Left wing views are left wing views. Wipe all the crap off and there’s just someone who wants higher wages, better working conditions, more home ownership and education for more people and no one left behind. It’s the incessant squabbling about the other 99% of politics that does us in these days.

I don't class these as left-wing values in any way, shape, or form.

 

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[shmmeee]

This is your post though.



I don't class these as left-wing values in any way, shape, or form.

That would be the crap you’re wiping off.

You seem to have this childlike view of the world and think everyone acts according to some moral compass both publicly and privately. The world ain’t like that. Even superhero movies don’t pretend the world is as binary as you do.

 

[Philosoraptor]

That would be the crap you’re wiping off.

You seem to have this childlike view of the world and think everyone acts according to some moral compass both publicly and privately. The world ain’t like that. Even superhero movies don’t pretend the world is as binary as you do.

This one would be known as Kant's Categorical Imperative.

If we all acted like this as a society then we would all be screwed.

Bit of moral philosophy to help you out.

 

[Philosoraptor]

That would be the crap you’re wiping off.

You seem to have this childlike view of the world and think everyone acts according to some moral compass both publicly and privately. The world ain’t like that. Even superhero movies don’t pretend the world is as binary as you do.

Might be worth having a listen.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Also, there's alot of in Labour fighting isn't there .

Labour left v Labour centrists .

Needs sorting too , it's one party no ?

Yes and no.

It's affiliated to the Co-Operative party.

 

[wingy]

"The inglorious return of the inflation nutters | Evening Standard" The inglorious return of the inflation nutters

 

[Skybluefaz]

Had an 'Emma Harrison' posting in support of the conservative crime comissioner on my local facebook group. Stock photo for profile image and cover, friends list full of dodgy profiles and low and behold local tory boy Ryan Simpson. The bit of promotion posted by 'Emma' featured Ryan talking with the Tory crime commsioner candidate. I see you Ryan.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm struggling with these Coventry Labour values.

Is this what you mean by more home ownership?

EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATION: Coventry council ex-deputy Phil Townshend ‘fraud’ claims end in OAP winning her home back for Christmas

A LONG legal battle involving claims the late Coventry council deputy leader Phil Townshend fraudulently obtained a vulnerable elderly relatives home has resulted in the house being returned to her

coventryobserver.co.uk

Or higher wages?

Labour councillors’ law firm paid worker below minimum wage

A LAW firm owned by two leading Coventry councillors has been taken to a tribunal over claims it paid a worker below the statutory minimum wage at just £20 a day. It is despite council deputy l

coventryobserver.co.uk

You've had to go back to 2017. If you're looking for Tory sleaze you can break the Internet listing whats gone on this year.

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[Philosoraptor]

You've had to go back to 2017. If you're looking for Tory sleaze you can break the Internet listing whats gone on this year.

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Yes, the election cycle for the last term was from 5 May 2016.

 

[clint van damme]

This one would be known as Kant's Categorical Imperative.

If we all acted like this as a society then we would all be screwed.

Bit of moral philosophy to help you out.

What if we all acted like the current PM?

 

[Grendel]

What if we all acted like the current PM?

its nothing to be bothered about really

 

[clint van damme]

its nothing to be bothered about really

So neither are the examples being pointed out then.
Though I don't subscribe to that. Townsends behaviour was appalling, so is Johnson and his cronies in my view.

 

[Grendel]

So neither are the examples being pointed out then.
Though I don't subscribe to that. Townsends behaviour was appalling, so is Johnson and his cronies in my view.

If he does a job that satisfies the public and you as an individual no one cares - Cameron was a rubbish prime minister but if he was a great one his lobbying would be irrelevant - it is irrelevant- he was a rubbish prime minister

 

[clint van damme]

If he does a job that satisfies the public and you as an individual no one cares - Cameron was a rubbish prime minister but if he was a great one his lobbying would be irrelevant - it is irrelevant- he was a rubbish prime minister

You're surely not suggesting Johnson is a great PM?

 

[Grendel]

You're surely not suggesting Johnson is a great PM?

No but I’m saying the most corrupt PM in my life time was definitely Tony Blair and the man who really controlled the government - Alistair Campbell - there is no argument about that in my view.

 

[clint van damme]

No but I’m saying the most corrupt PM in my life time was definitely Tony Blair and the man who really controlled the government - Alistair Campbell - there is no argument about that in my view.

I think Johnson will surpass Blair in the domestic corruption stakes, whether he out does Blairs Iraq war antics is another thing, I doubt he will.

 

[Grendel]

I think Johnson will surpass Blair in the domestic corruption stakes, whether he out does Blairs Iraq war antics is another thing, I doubt he will.

You may think that but if Mr Johnson was a Labour PM and the most honest man in the world was a Tory leader you’d still rather Mr Johnson was in power

 

[clint van damme]

You may think that but if Mr Johnson was a Labour PM and the most honest man in the world was a Tory leader you’d still rather Mr Johnson was in power

not really, I'm sick of corruption. There are plenty of countries that started out with the type of corruption we're seeing now which have gone on to be totally destroyed.
Now I appreciate we're not talking about major economies like ours but even still, it can ruin a country.
I've spoken about accountability before, and it should apply across the board.
I didn't vote for Blair in his last term, (though i didn't vote tory), because I could see he was out of control.

 

[PVA]

Corruption is nothing to be bothered about? Wow.

Keep tugging those forelocks like a good boy.

 

[It’sabatch87]

Joe Anderson is free atm he’s a nice upstanding member of the Labour Party if it doesn’t work out with Starmer.
Corruption is his thing!!!

 

[PVA]

Joe Anderson is free atm he’s a nice upstanding member of the Labour Party if it doesn’t work out with Starmer.
Corruption is his thing!!!

I don't see anyone in here defending him.

Strange point to make

 

[It’sabatch87]

I don't see anyone in here defending him.

Strange point to make

Good and bad on both sides is all I’m saying.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hope G's got a spare pair of Y-fronts handy with all this laughter

 

[skybluetony176]

I think Johnson will surpass Blair in the domestic corruption stakes, whether he out does Blairs Iraq war antics is another thing, I doubt he will.

Even Silvio Berlisconi will be going calm down Boris. Boris isn’t even 2 years in.

 

[PVA]

Hope G's got a spare pair of Y-fronts handy with all this laughter

He just takes Johnson's unwashed undies. The dirtier the better.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Even Silvio Berlisconi will be going calm down Boris. Boris isn’t even 2 years in.

Well if there's someone who's going to be into every type of Bunga Bunga it's Johnson.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just voted Green for town and county council, Lab/Lib for PCC.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Just voted Green for town and county council, Lab/Lib for PCC.

I honestly couldn't vote for a PCC, had to spoil my paper. I have zero clue what any of them are offering, and none of them seem to want to bother to tell me.

Never ceases to amaze me how little some people bother on a small territory really. My parents' councillor basically ended up winning as an independent because over the course of a couple of elections, he actually bothered to turn up and talk to people - his politics was irrelevant really. It doesn't take *that* many votes to win a council seat, after all!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I honestly couldn't vote for a PCC, had to spoil my paper. I have zero clue what any of them are offering, and none of them seem to want to bother to tell me.

Never ceases to amaze me how little some people bother on a small territory really. My parents' councillor basically ended up winning as an independent because over the course of a couple of elections, he actually bothered to turn up and talk to people - his politics was irrelevant really. It doesn't take *that* many votes to win a council seat, after all!

I would love there to be no political parties full stop

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I would love there to be no political parties full stop

Pretty impossible, that!

tbh it's more on people to look at what their candidate offers, rather than the badge. Like voting Dennis Skinner out because you want Brexit done FFS - if anybody was going to vote eagerly for Brexit, it was him!

 

[shmmeee]

I would love there to be no political parties full stop

How do you plan to stop people with similar interests working together?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How do you plan to stop people with similar interests working together?

I don’t want that to stop I am just sick of how tribal politics in this country has become.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Could be a matter of perception, but it doesn't seem any more tribal today than over the course of my interest and memory, going back to the 70s. In fact, given the total fractionalisation of the Labour party I'd say it's only more tribal in the sense that whereas as it used to be about two tribes against each other it's now about one tribal vs many the many tribes within intersectional Labour.

No, I'd agree. What seems more noteworthy to this outsider, is how the USA becomes more like us. It used to be the case you'd get a number of Mitt Romneys on either side of their divide, who'd vote against their party on certain principles, but that seems to happen less and less recently.

 

[clint van damme]

Could be a matter of perception, but it doesn't seem any more tribal today than over the course of my interest and memory, going back to the 70s. In fact, given the total fractionalisation of the Labour party I'd say it's only more tribal in the sense that whereas as it used to be about two tribes against each other it's now about one tribal vs many the many tribes within intersectional Labour.

There are also, and always have been, factions within the tories.
They've just always been good at putting their differences to one side when required which looks an impossibility for Labour.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Could be a matter of perception, but it doesn't seem any more tribal today than over the course of my interest and memory, going back to the 70s. In fact, given the total fractionalisation of the Labour party I'd say it's only more tribal in the sense that whereas as it used to be about two tribes against each other it's now about one tribal vs many the many tribes within intersectional Labour.

I guess what I mean is our seemingly unstoppable momentum to become like America