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[shmmeee]

There are also, and always have been, factions within the tories.
They've just always been good at putting their differences to one side when required which looks an impossibility for Labour.

Or actually doing a Stalinist purge of heretics rather than constantly threatening one. The PCP of 2021 is nothing like the PCP of 2015 in terms of breadth of ideologies.

 

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[CCFCSteve]

There are also, and always have been, factions within the tories.
They've just always been good at putting their differences to one side when required which looks an impossibility for Labour.

100%. I honestly thought Brexit was going to tear the Tories apart (potentially for good when May was in charge). There appear to be far stronger ideological beliefs within Labour factions which I guess makes it harder for people to shift away from/give ground on

 

[Philosoraptor]

The SNP locally and Alba Party nationally. Should even itself out for a decent shout on independence.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The SNP locally and Alba Party nationally. Should even itself out for a decent shout on independence.

Bizarre but each to their own

 

[Philosoraptor]

Bizarre but each to their own

Still love you guys down there but it is about time Scotland makes her own way in the world.

Now it could be the choice of an England, Scottish, Irish or EU Passport

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Still love you guys down there but it is about time Scotland makes her own way in the world.

Now it could be the choice of an England, Scottish, Irish or EU Passport

Strongly disagree with it but as I said, each to their own

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour candidates knocked on the door asking the missus how we voted. Proceeded to scowl and give her a lecture when she said Green. Great way to make me regret my decision!

 

[Philosoraptor]

Labour candidates knocked on the door asking the missus how we voted. Proceeded to scowl and give her a lecture when she said Green. Great way to make me regret my decision!

Douglas Adams answered this the best.

"It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Plato nailed it as well.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Douglas Adams answered this the best.

"It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

My PhD supervisor said ‘don’t worry, if you ever really screw up in life you can always enter politics’

 

[Philosoraptor]

And just in case anyone thought I was totally anti Cov Labour.

Spy report from my mother. Duggins came knocking on the house door yesterday. She was impressed. Sorting out her little issue.

 

[Nick]

And just in case anyone thought I was totally anti Cov Labour.

Spy report from my mother. Duggins came knocking on the house door yesterday. She was impressed. Sorting out her little issue.

Think I saw that on pornhub?

 

[Ian1779]

I think the most interesting thing to watch for will be the Scottish results.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I think the most interesting thing to watch for will be the Scottish results.

It's on the East side of Scotland you need to watch out for. This side is the part of Scotland which are more likely not to vote for the SNP regionally.

The addition of the second Scottish independence party in the Parliament vote may tip the balance for independence against the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems etc but again the seats that are most likely to change first are the Edinburgh side which are a lot more conservative in their views.

it's a werid voting system up here, and 16+ allowed to vote.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's on the East side of Scotland you need to watch out for. This side is the part of Scotland which are more likely not to vote for the SNP regionally.

The addition of the second Scottish independence party in the Parliament vote may tip the balance for independence against the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems etc but again the seats that are most likely to change first are the Edinburgh side which are a lot more conservative in their views.

it's a werid voting system up here, and 16+ allowed to vote.

I lived on the east coast for the best part of a decade, Mrs BSB from the NE corner which was SNP heartland, now mostly Tory. There are two Scotlands really, the quite left wing central belt and well, everywhere else.

'It's not fair that Westminster is biased towards SE England! Now, how about centralising everything in Glasgow?'

 

[Philosoraptor]

how about centralising everything in Glasgow?'

I thought they already had in the People's Republic of Glasgow.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I thought they already had in the People's Republic of Glasgow.

I remember thinking it was upmarket when the Pizza Hut had cheese already grated

 

[Philosoraptor]

I remember thinking it was upmarket when the Pizza Hut had cheese already grated

I use to brag to my friend overseas that I use to live a good 3,000 miles from the nearest Taco Bell. Not anymore

 

[Ian1779]

It's on the East side of Scotland you need to watch out for. This side is the part of Scotland which are more likely not to vote for the SNP regionally.

The addition of the second Scottish independence party in the Parliament vote may tip the balance for independence against the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems etc but again the seats that are most likely to change first are the Edinburgh side which are a lot more conservative in their views.

it's a werid voting system up here, and 16+ allowed to vote.

Allowing 16+ to vote is a good thing both Scotland and Wales are doing.

 

[Grendel]

Facebook is absolutely full of right leaning 50+ year olds now

The younger generations are moving away from Facebook and its very much the social media platform of choice for the boomers and they believe literally anything they reach on Facebook.

The boomers like racist shit on Facebook

 

[Philosoraptor]

Allowing 16+ to vote is a good thing both Scotland and Wales are doing.

I agree. It's part of Citizenship. Would prefer PR as well. to get away from the two-party system. One day though we will have Direct Democracy. The technology is there and we finally get rid of personal interest groups like political parties.

 

[Grendel]

Allowing 16+ to vote is a good thing both Scotland and Wales are doing.

under 21s shouldn’t be allowed the vote

 

[Evo1883]

I voted ... Labour

at this point its like tourettes it just happens

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

under 21s shouldn’t be allowed the vote

Why? Plenty of adults that haven't got a clue politically so why should they get to vote? Lots of people that have never experienced much of life outside their own little bubble, be that due to wealth or poverty, if they're in the arts, sciences, business. What gives them the right to have a say on all those other things they have no idea on? Plenty of kids of 16, or even younger, that will have more experience on what it's like to deal with the issues that affect most people in this country today than JRM ever has or will.

Should we argue over-80's shouldn't get the vote because they're much more likely to be in cognitive decline?

 

[Evo1883]

Why? Plenty of adults that haven't got a clue politically so why should they get to vote? Lots of people that have never experienced much of life outside their own little bubble, be that due to wealth or poverty, if they're in the arts, sciences, business. What gives them the right to have a say on all those other things they have no idea on? Plenty of kids of 16, or even younger, that will have more experience on what it's like to deal with the issues that affect most people in this country today than JRM ever has or will.

Should we argue over-80's shouldn't get the vote because they're much more likely to be in cognitive decline?

I'd imagine you'd be just as happy for 16 year old to have a vote if they were likely to vote conservative yea ?
Let's be honest there's only 1 reason you want to give 16 year olds the vote , because they are likely to vote your way.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd imagine you'd be just as happy for 16 year old to have a vote if they were likely to vote conservative yea ?
Let's be honest there's only 1 reason you want to give 16 year olds the vote , because they are likely to vote your way.

I'm not sure why one is allowed to drive, marry and reproduce before they can vote

 

[Evo1883]

I'm not sure why one is allowed to drive, marry and reproduce before they can vote

I don't think people should be driving at 17 either though tbh

 

[Ian1779]

I'd imagine you'd be just as happy for 16 year old to have a vote if they were likely to vote conservative yea ?
Let's be honest there's only 1 reason you want to give 16 year olds the vote , because they are likely to vote your way.

That’s bollocks. It’s their future and they should have a right to contribute their opinions.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'd imagine you'd be just as happy for 16 year old to have a vote if they were likely to vote conservative yea ?
Let's be honest there's only 1 reason you want to give 16 year olds the vote , because they are likely to vote your way.

It's up to them to make their own mind up. These days I reckon most would vote something like Green or Lib Dem and so not affect the difference much between the two main parties.

I just think saying "16 year olds shouldn't be given the vote" purely due to age isn't a strong argument when there's plenty of people of all ages who're just as clueless as they are, both left and right.

 

[Ian1779]

under 21s shouldn’t be allowed the vote

You’re a dinosaur.

 

[Evo1883]

That’s bollocks. It’s their future and they should have a right to contribute their opinions.

Not sure I agree , why stop there then , let 14 year olds vote too

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'm not sure why one is allowed to drive, marry and reproduce before they can vote

Yep. You can have total responsibility of a completely helpless small human but putting an X in a box? Nah, mate. You don't know enough of life yet for that.

 

[Evo1883]

Yep. You can have total responsibility of a completely helpless small human but putting an X in a box? Nah, mate. You don't know enough of life yet for that.

Kids are having babies at 13 /14/15 though

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Kids are having babies at 13 /14/15 though

But they're legally allowed to reproduce at a younger age than they're allowed to vote. Far more personal responsibility in looking after a kid than voting.