Do you want to discuss boring politics? (190 Viewers)

[TomRad85]

I'd imagine you'd be just as happy for 16 year old to have a vote if they were likely to vote conservative yea ?
Let's be honest there's only 1 reason you want to give 16 year olds the vote , because they are likely to vote your way.

Completely. I swear I used to think communism sounded like a good idea when I was 16.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't think people should be driving at 17 either though tbh

Which is fine, but at the moment you can drive, marry and reproduce before you can legally vote. Either lower the voting age or raise those

 

[Evo1883]

But they're legally allowed to reproduce at a younger age than they're allowed to vote. Far more personal responsibility in looking after a kid than voting.

Are they? I'm sure you have to be 18 to legally be solely responsible for a child ..

And there's courts involved at certain ages below

 

[Evo1883]

Which is fine, but at the moment you can drive, marry and reproduce before you can legally vote. Either lower the voting age or raise those

Problem with the reproducing part is people have sex with or without caring about law , and often sex happens below the age of 16 ..how do you plan to make a law based on that alone ...quite hard

Be interesting to see the statistics of successful marriages for people below the age of 18 ,marriage effects 2 people ,it doesn't contributes towards voting In policies effecting millions

We already know younger drivers cause more accidents

They actively have control over who can vote and who can drive

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Completely. I swear I used to think communism sounded like a good idea when I was 16.

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Whereas I've always thought communism was totally and utterly unworkable. Even socialism I thought had massive flaws in the theory. Actually took me the longest to work out the flaws with capitalism, but once you see them you can't unsee them.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'd imagine you'd be just as happy for 16 year old to have a vote if they were likely to vote conservative yea ?
Let's be honest there's only 1 reason you want to give 16 year olds the vote , because they are likely to vote your way.

So where do you draw the line with that? Black and ethnic groups are less likely to vote conservative. If you’re going to start coming up with reasons for sections of society not to have the vote it needs to be more comprehensive than who they’re likely to vote for.

 

[Evo1883]

So where do you draw the line with that? Black and ethnic groups are less likely to vote conservative. If you’re going to start coming up with reasons for sections of society not to have the vote it needs to be more comprehensive than who they’re likely to vote for.

I'm just content with 18 tbh , that's the line for me

 

[TomRad85]

So where do you draw the line with that? Black and ethnic groups are less likely to vote conservative. If you’re going to start coming up with reasons for sections of society not to have the vote it needs to be more comprehensive than who they’re likely to vote for.

Life experience Tone old chap. Got to draw the line somewhere... or shall we let toddlers vote? Free lollipops for the under 5s would be a vote winner.

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[skybluetony176]

Life experience Tone old chap. Got to draw the line somewhere... or shall we let toddlers vote? Free lollipops for the under 5s would be a vote winner.

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How do you judge that? I guarantee that I had more life experience by the time I was 16 than most of the front bench has now. I could tuck a shirt in and comb my hair by the time I left primary, the PM still can’t do that. The leader of the House of Commons still has a nanny. I understood that ferries had lorries on them carrying goods unlike the foreign secretary. I could count without making numbers up unlike the Home Secretary etc etc etc.

 

[TomRad85]

How do you judge that? I guarantee that I had more life experience by the time I was 16 than most of the front bench has now. I could tuck a shirt in and comb my hair by the time I left primary, the PM still can’t do that. The leader of the House of Commons still has a nanny. I understood that ferries had lorries on them carrying goods unlike the foreign secretary. I could count without making numbers up unlike the Home Secretary etc etc etc.

Sounds like you should be running country. Good luck with that.

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[Grendel]

You’re a dinosaur.

It’s why Hitler believed in the hitler youth - brainwashing the youth is much easier than the ones enjoying the benefits of capitalism

 

[Grendel]

Sounds like you should be running country. Good luck with that.

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Tony wanted a UKIP government not that long ago

 

[skybluetony176]

Sounds like you should be running country. Good luck with that.

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Not really. It does highlight how under qualified those that are running the country are though. Most can’t tie their own shoe laces and the rest wouldn’t say half the things they do if they understood how stupid it was to say it in the first place. The PM suffering with both issues.

I would suggest that a 16 year old from a single parent home has some real life experiences unlike a grown man who was born with a sense of entitlement by accident of birth who still has a nanny. So if life experience is the measuring tape you want to use then age is irrelevant. That’s the point I’m making.

 

[skybluetony176]

It’s why Hitler believed in the hitler youth - brainwashing the youth is much easier than the ones enjoying the benefits of capitalism

A bit like the young Conservatives then.

 

[Grendel]

I think we should offer 12 year olds the vote

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony wanted a UKIP government not that long ago

If you have to make things up you really don’t have a point to make.

 

[TomRad85]

Tony wanted a UKIP government not that long ago

But was Prime Minister material at 16 by the sounds of it. Be interesting watching a right wing government change to a left wing government half way through their tenure.

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[skybluetony176]

I think we should offer 12 year olds the vote

If we’re going by mental age you already do.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Problem with the reproducing part is people have sex with or without caring about law , and often sex happens below the age of 16 ..how do you plan to make a law based on that alone ...quite hard

Be interesting to see the statistics of successful marriages for people below the age of 18 ,marriage effects 2 people ,it doesn't contributes towards voting In policies effecting millions

We already know younger drivers cause more accidents

They actively have control over who can vote and who can drive

I’m not bothered about legalities just what we seem ok entrusting people with

 

[skybluetony176]

Just reading up on the young Conservatives and it seems that in an effort to be more like the Nazis they rebranded as Youth Conservatives in 2018 under the guidance of a man who spends more time apologising for the last stupid thing he said than he does breathing, Ben Bradley.

 

[shmmeee]

I think we should offer 12 year olds the vote

My six year old pays tax when she spends her pocket money! She deserves a vote!

18 is adulthood, I think there’s a good argument for 21 for a lot of things. We don’t allow 16 year olds to marry without parental consent, sleep with people who might have influence over them, or AFAIK fully join the forces. And we’ve just upped the leaving age basically to 18.

No way should 16 year olds have the vote and it’s blatant politicking from the left on this.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My six year old pays tax when she spends her pocket money! She deserves a vote!

18 is adulthood, I think there’s a good argument for 21 for a lot of things. We don’t allow 16 year olds to marry without parental consent, sleep with people who might have influence over them, or AFAIK fully join the forces. And we’ve just upped the leaving age basically to 18.

No way should 16 year olds have the vote and it’s blatant politicking from the left on this.

What age should people be allowed to drive?

 

[Ian1779]

My six year old pays tax when she spends her pocket money! She deserves a vote!

18 is adulthood, I think there’s a good argument for 21 for a lot of things. We don’t allow 16 year olds to marry without parental consent, sleep with people who might have influence over them, or AFAIK fully join the forces. And we’ve just upped the leaving age basically to 18.

No way should 16 year olds have the vote and it’s blatant politicking from the left on this.

I disagree - if 16 year olds can be expected to make decisions that influence their future directions in terms of school, college or apprenticeships, they deserve the right to have a voice over who and how they will be governed in the future.

 

[shmmeee]

I disagree - if 16 year olds can be expected to make decisions that influence their future directions in terms of school, college or apprenticeships, they deserve the right to have a voice over who and how they will be governed in the future.

So we should give the vote to 13 year olds cos they pick options? Some 11 year olds are given a say in their schooling.

Either everyone does or adults do, anything else is a fudge.

 

[Ian1779]

So we should give the vote to 13 year olds cos they pick options? Some 11 year olds are given a say in their schooling.

Either everyone does or adults do, anything else is a fudge.

Everything is a fudge regardless, arbitrary ages for all sorts of things with no consistency whatsoever.

I’d be very interested to see the numbers of 16/17 year olds that exercise their right to vote where they’ve been allowed to, before judging on its suitability.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Holy fuck!

 

[Philosoraptor]

 

[Philosoraptor]

Tory vaccine bounce my ass. People are not voting Labour.

 

[Philosoraptor]

The green vaccine bounce. Oh wait, Labour's support dropped by 50%

 

[Philosoraptor]

Camp Hill!

 

[Philosoraptor]

 

[Philosoraptor]

Fingers crossed to get rid of the lovely Jayne Innes.

 

[SBAndy]

Some of these local results are fucking mind-blowing. Camphill voting Tory. Fair to say Labour are even more fucked than I had initially thought. I knew the Tories would pick up control of N&B council, they’ve put so much effort into it. Labour have done next to fuck all.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I had in my mind Keir Starmer laughing at teachers earlier this year.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Hartlepool goes Conservative.