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chiefdave

chiefdave

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This amber countries mess is ridiculous. Everytime someone from the government speaks they give a different answer.

Now they've fallen back to leave it to people to use their own judgement and I think we all know how well that will work.
 
Skybluefaz

Skybluefaz

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chiefdave said:
This amber countries mess is ridiculous. Everytime someone from the government speaks they give a different answer.

Now they've fallen back to leave it to people to use their own judgement and I think we all know how well that will work.
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Would seem to be a better system to just have a Green and Red system.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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I agree with people using their own judgement to be honest rather than imposing draconian rules. The government's role is to make sure people are vaccinated and provide clear information about the risks. I think the lockdown rules were appropriate for a time but you can't be criminalising everyday activity for a long time.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Saddlebrains said:
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Ive reading something similar which would be great news. Although everyone (in particular the media !) needs to appreciate/accept that the virus will continue to mutate, with the more transmissible variants likely to become the dominate strain in most countries. From my limited scientific knowledge, that’s just the way it is.

We have to accept this and just keep ploughing out the vaccines and hope that they continue to work against all variants, at least to a level that stops serious/severe illness and death. Although test and trace was a shitshow to start with, the genomic sequencing capabilities, together with increased testing capacity, surge testing etc, also gives me a bit of comfort (I was speaking to a mate who had to travel to Switzerland for work and on his return he not only had calls but a visit to check he was isolating).

Would be amazing if the data supports the continuation on the road map. Fingers crossed !
 
Grendel

Grendel

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chiefdave said:
This amber countries mess is ridiculous. Everytime someone from the government speaks they give a different answer.

Now they've fallen back to leave it to people to use their own judgement and I think we all know how well that will work.
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What is ridiculous is not letting people using their own judgement and allowing the state to continue to control peoples lives and decision making
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Grendel said:
What is ridiculous is not letting people using their own judgement and allowing the state to continue to control peoples lives and decision making
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Cityandproud87

Cityandproud87

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Grendel said:
What is ridiculous is not letting people using their own judgement and allowing the state to continue to control peoples lives and decision making
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Agree with this 100%. Its time to live our lives again, this new variant isn't more deadly and the vaccines work.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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CCFCSteve said:
Ive reading something similar which would be great news. Although everyone (in particular the media !) needs to appreciate/accept that the virus will continue to mutate, with the more transmissible variants likely to become the dominate strain in most countries. From my limited scientific knowledge, that’s just the way it is.

We have to accept this and just keep ploughing out the vaccines and hope that they continue to work against all variants, at least to a level that stops serious/severe illness and death. Although test and trace was a shitshow to start with, the genomic sequencing capabilities, together with increased testing capacity, surge testing etc, also gives me a bit of comfort (I was speaking to a mate who had to travel to Switzerland for work and on his return he not only had calls but a visit to check he was isolating).

Would be amazing if the data supports the continuation on the road map. Fingers crossed !
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There are obviously specific factors which appeared to show that the Indian variant was more transmissible, it is the same specific factors that saw high transmission of the wild type covid in the same communities.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Cityandproud87 said:
Agree with this 100%. Its time to live our lives again, this new variant isn't more deadly and the vaccines work.
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That's fine but abolishing the traffic light system is a totally different argument. Personally I don't think allowing a free for all from places like India and any others in a similar situation is a good idea but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

However at the moment we do have a traffic light system which is pointless if you're then going to tell people to just 'apply common sense' and every day you have a different minister saying something different.

In just the last couple of days you've had the Business Secretary saying he ' wouldn't be recommending people travelling to amber list countries' for holidays, followed by the PM saying the position was 'very clear' and 'you should not be going to an amber list country on holiday'. Today its the Transport Secretary saying to 'apply common sense'. How hard is it to have them all parrot the same simple message?
 
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shmmeee

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chiefdave said:
That's fine but abolishing the traffic light system is a totally different argument. Personally I don't think allowing a free for all from places like India and any others in a similar situation is a good idea but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

However at the moment we do have a traffic light system which is pointless if you're then going to tell people to just 'apply common sense' and every day you have a different minister saying something different.

In just the last couple of days you've had the Business Secretary saying he ' wouldn't be recommending people travelling to amber list countries' for holidays, followed by the PM saying the position was 'very clear' and 'you should not be going to an amber list country on holiday'. Today its the Transport Secretary saying to 'apply common sense'. How hard is it to have them all parrot the same simple message?
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Yet when it comes to election time any interviewer will only be able to get the three CCHQ approved lines out of any Tory MP 🤔
 
Sick Boy

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fernandopartridge said:
I agree with people using their own judgement to be honest rather than imposing draconian rules. The government's role is to make sure people are vaccinated and provide clear information about the risks. I think the lockdown rules were appropriate for a time but you can't be criminalising everyday activity for a long time.
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Yeah it’s ridiculous. I’ve not seen my parents and wider family since December 2019 - if they’ve been vaccinated and I’ve had a first dose or both by September why can’t we see each other?
 
David O'Day

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fernandopartridge said:
I agree with people using their own judgement to be honest rather than imposing draconian rules. The government's role is to make sure people are vaccinated and provide clear information about the risks. I think the lockdown rules were appropriate for a time but you can't be criminalising everyday activity for a long time.
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I'd say it is very much the governments job to impose rules that make sure we don't reimport and reseed covid-19 in the UK
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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chiefdave said:
This amber countries mess is ridiculous. Everytime someone from the government speaks they give a different answer.

Now they've fallen back to leave it to people to use their own judgement and I think we all know how well that will work.
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If all else fails says its up to people to make up their own mind so you can blame it on the stupidity of their stupidty.

But of course that can't be because it's labour that treats the working class like they're stupid...
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
What is ridiculous is not letting people using their own judgement and allowing the state to continue to control peoples lives and decision making
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It's a get out clause to blame the people if it goes wrong, nothing more. If it's all fine they'll take the credit for being brave and liberal.
 
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CCFCSteve

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fernandopartridge said:
There are obviously specific factors which appeared to show that the Indian variant was more transmissible, it is the same specific factors that saw high transmission of the wild type covid in the same communities.
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Agree, it’s obviously more transmissible (and by all accounts will become dominant strain here and the rest of the world...until another new variant probably comes along). The question is how much more transmissible and was the increased spread due to other factors as well as transmissibility. Only time will tell I guess
 
Nick

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Mmmmm wonder how this transmissable disease escalated and causes death and hospitalisation?!!!!!!
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What about suicides, people missing cancer treatments, people not being able to get diagnosed with serious illness.
2600 out of 66 million brings it into context.

We can't stay locked up forever for every little variant that comes out. If that's the case then to be honest I can see the suicide rate jumping up as it's no real life to live.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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Nick said:
What about suicides, people missing cancer treatments, people not being able to get diagnosed with serious illness.
2600 out of 66 million brings it into context.

We can't stay locked up forever for every little variant that comes out. If that's the case then to be honest I can see the suicide rate jumping up as it's no real life to live.
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I completely agree but to say we should all decides what’s best is when waves of infection happen. Some of us don’t know better until it’s too late and it’s us on a ventilator or our best mate or mum
 
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