furlough (3 Viewers)

[pipkin73]

Obviously wrong, I was just passing on what I had read

 

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[robbiekeane]

What? Of course they can go work somewhere else just like any normal working person can quit their job while on furlough.
As long as they are out of contract or whatever

 

[bawtryneal]

I've been reading other teams forums, it seems Sheff Wed have furlouged their staff and the fans are not happy. (same as we have done, ( furloughed))
The main reason being it stops players from leaving. (they want players gone due to relegation), If on furlough they can't work anywhere else, so players can't move on.
Never thought of this. We have just put our players back on furlough, does that mean the ones who want to leave can't (or they give up all their payments and we pay them off for the remaining contract plus ) and the ones we want to sign we have to remove from furlough and pay back any furlough/tax paid?

Sheffield Wednesday players have NOT been furloughed.
A number have not been paid in full for April and May and the club is absolutely broke with appalling cash flow issues but it is not furloughing its players or staff.

 

[pipkin73]

Sheffield Wednesday players have NOT been furloughed.
A number have not been paid in full for April and May and the club is absolutely broke with appalling cash flow issues but it is not furloughing its players or staff.

Their supporters seem to think they have been

 

[pipkin73]

Exclusive: Sheffield Wednesday 'ask to furlough players' after relegation from Championship

Darren Moore’s team were demoted into League One three weeks ago when they could only draw with Derby County on the final day

www.telegraph.co.uk

Looks like the players have rejected it. Why would they do this, unless it hinders them moving on?

 

[SAJ]

I've been reading other teams forums, it seems Sheff Wed have furlouged their staff and the fans are not happy. (same as we have done, ( furloughed))
The main reason being it stops players from leaving. (they want players gone due to relegation), If on furlough they can't work anywhere else, so players can't move on.
Never thought of this. We have just put our players back on furlough, does that mean the ones who want to leave can't (or they give up all their payments and we pay them off for the remaining contract plus ) and the ones we want to sign we have to remove from furlough and pay back any furlough/tax paid?

Wtf. There are no restrictions on you leaving a company if you are on furlough.

 

[pipkin73]

Wtf. There are no restrictions on you leaving a company if you are on furlough.

Just posting what i read on their forum, Don't know the ins and outs of Furlough, we have ERTE out here and slightly different rules.

 

[Grendel]

Sheffield Wednesday players have NOT been furloughed.
A number have not been paid in full for April and May and the club is absolutely broke with appalling cash flow issues but it is not furloughing its players or staff.

They wanted to it seems but I assume the players rejected it

 

[Grendel]

Notice periods are no longer covered on furlough so I guess this is a grey area but the player could leave

 

[bawtryneal]

They wanted to it seems but I assume the players rejected it

There is a lot of stuff being written in the local press and the usual "bollox" on supporters forums. Most of it is gossip and politics against the owners.
If we/you think SISU are bad then I assure you we wouldn`t swop them for Chansiri and his team
All I know is the players and management have never been asked to be furloughed
However, they are trying to furlough some of the hospitality and marketing department employees

 

[Grendel]

There is a lot of stuff being written in the local press and the usual "bollox" on supporters forums. Most of it is gossip and politics against the owners.
If we/you think SISU are bad then I assure you we wouldn`t swop them for Chansiri and his team
All I know is the players and management have never been asked to be furloughed
However, they are trying to furlough some of the hospitality and marketing department employees

It’s in the independent, the telegraph the mail

 

[bawtryneal]

They just copied it from the Yorkshire Post that has its own agenda.

 

[bawtryneal]

It’s in the independent, the telegraph the mail

If it's in the Daily Mail it must be accurate
Didn't have you down as a Daily Mail reader.

 

[Grendel]

If it's in the Daily Mail it must be accurate
Didn't have you down as a Daily Mail reader.

its in all the nationals - we are furloughing players so I’d be puzzled why they haven’t

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Whilst we’ve furloughed the players, aren’t we topping them up so they receive all the wages?

maybe Sheff Weds don’t top them up?

 

[pipkin73]

Whilst we’ve furloughed the players, aren’t we topping them up so they receive all the wages?

maybe Sheff Weds don’t top them up?

I thought on Furlough the employer has to pay the rest of the wages plus national insurance payments and pension contributions.

 

[Grendel]

I thought on Furlough the employer has to pay the rest of the wages plus national insurance payments and pension contributions.

It doesn’t have to pay the extra wages

 

[rob9872]

Super sub for Liverpool back in the day

 

[pipkin73]

It doesn’t have to pay the extra wages

Ah Ok, thought I read they had to top it up to the real wage amount.

 

[Grendel]

Ah Ok, thought I read they had to top it up to the real wage amount.

no it can remain at 80%

 

[pipkin73]

OK, but 2.5k max I think so if Sheff Wed have players on 10-30k per week, then that is still a lot the employer still has to pay plus national insurance payments and pension contributions.
So for high earners Furlough is just an inconvenience but for the rest of us a saviour.
Think I've sussed it now (awaits someone to tell me I'm wrong again) lol

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Ah Ok, thought I read they had to top it up to the real wage amount.

I think the club are exploiting a loophole. So the players are still getting 100% just that the government are paying 80%

 

[pipkin73]

Up to a maximum of 2.5K per month. So if O'Hare is on 10K per week as said on here then the club still has to pay 37.5K plus national insurance payments and pension contributions per month to pay him 100% of his wages. 2.5K might be per week, I'm not sure, it's hard enough trying to work out what going on out here never mind the UK as well.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Up to a maximum of 2.5K per month. So if O'Hare is on 10K per week as said on here then the club still has to pay 37.5K plus national insurance payments and pension contributions per month to pay him 100% of his wages. 2.5K might be per week, I'm not sure, it's hard enough trying to work out what going on out here never mind the UK as well.

Suppose every little thing helps

 

[pipkin73]

Suppose every little thing helps

Is that an Asda bum slap or Tesco thing? Sure I remember that quote lol

 

[pipkin73]

Think I remember reading that in June it goes from 80% to 70% and in July down to 60%

 

[better days]

Up to a maximum of 2.5K per month. So if O'Hare is on 10K per week as said on here then the club still has to pay 37.5K plus national insurance payments and pension contributions per month to pay him 100% of his wages. 2.5K might be per week, I'm not sure, it's hard enough trying to work out what going on out here never mind the UK as well.

I look after this for the firm I work for
It's max £2.5 per month per employee now
The company can make up the difference - many do
Everything is paid to the employee by the company as usual and the company claims the furlough amount back from HMRC
HMRC used to pay pension contributions etc too but this has been discontinued
SWFC must be in pretty dire straights to need to furlough players again
There was talk of us doing it during the first lockdown but I believe we decided against it

 

[pipkin73]

I look after this for the firm I work for
It's max £2.5 per month per employee now
The company can make up the difference - many do
Everything is paid to the employee by the company as usual and the company claims the furlough amount back from HMRC
HMRC used to pay pension contributions etc too but this has been discontinued
SWFC must be in pretty dire straights to need to furlough players again
There was talk of us doing it during the first lockdown but I believe we decided against it

I believe we did, as MR said he could not get the players together and train them as that would stop the payments.
He said he was keeping track on them as they downloaded an app that the club could follow to see who trained and how much they did, O'Hare was always top of this.
Think they have just said that they have done it again for the closed season.

 

[pipkin73]

Coventry City place players on flexible furlough scheme

The Sky Blues, like all football clubs, have been starved of vital income during the pandemic

www.coventrytelegraph.net

 

[better days]

Coventry City place players on flexible furlough scheme

The Sky Blues, like all football clubs, have been starved of vital income during the pandemic

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Interesting
Looks like SWFC situation isn't dissimilar if they are making up the difference for the players

 

[pipkin73]

Interesting
Looks like SWFC situation isn't dissimilar if they are making up the difference for the players

That's the big IF, they have been late paying players already.
Fans think the reason players won't accept it (not sure how they can turn it down), is it would stop them from being able to move on to other teams. Not sure this is correct as other posters have made good points.
Can only think that if you join a team that's Furlohing players, they might not be able to sign you.
Can't see HMRC liking paying players wages whilst you pay money for new players and then add them to Furlough.

 

[Grendel]

I look after this for the firm I work for
It's max £2.5 per month per employee now
The company can make up the difference - many do
Everything is paid to the employee by the company as usual and the company claims the furlough amount back from HMRC
HMRC used to pay pension contributions etc too but this has been discontinued
SWFC must be in pretty dire straights to need to furlough players again
There was talk of us doing it during the first lockdown but I believe we decided against it

we are furloughing aren’t we?

 

[pipkin73]

They don’t have to pay anything the


we are furloughing aren’t we?

Yes we are

 

[pipkin73]

Just a thought, but from the way SW fans have reacted saying it could stop transfers, could WE keep our players on Furlough whilst trying to sign new players?

 

[Monty]

Just a thought, but from the way SW fans have reacted saying it could stop transfers, could WE keep our players on Furlough whilst trying to sign new players?

Yes, as they won't be on our wage bill until 1 July, when we will be unfuloughing our players for pre-season anyway