Hats off Andy Thorn (7 Viewers)

[Grendel]

But we don't.....Dean Saunders record is actually worse than Thorns, and he had players like Chimbonda and Diouf and Piquouinne to call upon, and also had 13 years of coaching and management exercise to draw upon.

AT 40 points in 46 games 0.869 points per game
DS 28 points in 33 games 0.848 points per game

Nothing to be proud of but isn't statistically the worst manager in the league.

Re: AT it might be a handicap, but as he's going nowhere we should get behind him and e lads and see where we are 10-15 games in

Saunders has a 37% win ratio including his excellent record at Wrexham - or do we just forget that?

 

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[dongonzalos]

If we leave it any longer and we don't perform I fear we'll end up rotting in this league like we did The Championship. It's not like he's only just taken over this season and I'm giving a New manager 10 games before he's sacked. Thorn had all last season plus the 10 games before remember.

But you are judging him under the conditions of been able to sign potentially 8 players.

You should wipe the slate clean. Totally different circumstances to last season.

I understand your concerns about it been too late but I would be surprised if by half way through the season we would be over 15 points away from the top six.

That's when it would to me be too late.

 

[dongonzalos]

Ranson,sisu,thorn,feck the lot of em,the lot of them are/were shite.

Who do u like that maybe easier

 

[stupot07]

Saunders has a 37% win ratio including his excellent record at Wrexham - or do we just forget that?

What's wrexham got to do with Doncaster? On current form and with better resources Saunders is statistically worse than Thorn.


Win ratio's is a lazy stat anyway, Dowie had a win ration of over 40% but also lost over 40%, when league points are calculated his record was on par with Coleman's.

 

[lordsummerisle]

What's wrexham got to do with Doncaster? On current form and with better resources Saunders is statistically worse than Thorn.


Win ratio's is a lazy stat anyway, Dowie had a win ration of over 40% but also lost over 40%, when league points are calculated his record was on par with Coleman's.

But didn't Coleman have better resources?

 

[Grendel]

:laugh: how pathetic.

Very well here is my version on the Carroll signings as previously posted;

I have to say I find it very difficult to believe that we ever were going to sign Jordan Henderson and Andy Carroll. With regard to Henderson we extended a loan period in his season here so he was not going to be permanent that season and then got quite a severe injury and returned to his club. So when would a fee ever have been discussed. Also Sunderland changed manager at the end of his returning season and Steve Bruce stated Henderson was part of his plans and as soon as he was fit he started making appearances in the first team.

Carroll made 11 apperances for Preston in the 2007/08 season when Ranson joined the club. Carroll had already won a Jackie Milburn trophy and was gaining recognition as a rising star. Prior to going to Preston he had already scored in a friendly against Juventus and was tipped for great things. By the following season he was on the subs bench for Newcastle and played 16 games for them.

Ranson made these statements in the Telegraph with no evidence but did say at the end he would return if Garry Hoffman could get the club from SISU - now is that the same Hoffman who has an interest in the Trinity Group?

Show me ANY evidence that says I am wrong.

 

[Grendel]

What's wrexham got to do with Doncaster? On current form and with better resources Saunders is statistically worse than Thorn.


Win ratio's is a lazy stat anyway, Dowie had a win ration of over 40% but also lost over 40%, when league points are calculated his record was on par with Coleman's.

So we must surely exclude Thorn's first 10 games as well I assume? Shall we work out a manager league table on points then? Do you believe Thorn will be shown in a better light?

 

[dongonzalos]

David Bell has a cultured left foot, a good shot and will revel in the role of senior pro, one of the highest earners and will step up to be our creativity king

 

[DukeOfCov]

A friend of mine said today that our relegation into league 1 could be the making of this club. I for one agree with him. As many have said on here, we stagnated in the championship. Something had to happen to get us out of that stagnation. It was either promotion or relegation and while we wanted the former, we got the latter!

But it's had a good effect in my eyes. We've got rid of a lot of the dead weight like Clingan, Harrison etc, we've lost some players that we didn't want to lose, though it was inevitable but most importantly, SISU have done something. We're not quite sure what it is but it's enabled Thorn to get 7 players and possible 3/4 more. Yeh we haven't had a great 12 years since being relegated from the Premiership but this could be out turning point!

So can you blame us for harbouring some hopes of a change in our circumstances? No I don't think you can. We're not being overly optermistic, just quietly hoping that this could be the break we've been praying for, for all these years. If you don't feel the same way of us, then that's fine, I'm not going to tell you how you feel, but please don't drag us down. Leave us to our hope and we'll leave you to your dispair!

Does that sound fair to you?

Hear hear...fed up with all the 'negative waves'...

 

[stupot07]

So we must surely exclude Thorn's first 10 games as well I assume? Shall we work out a manager league table on points then? Do you believe Thorn will be shown in a better light?

Wrexham are non-league, a completely different proposition to league football let alone the 2nd tier of English football. I'm sure Kevin Wilkin has a better win and points ratio thn most of the PL managers, so is a statistically better manager than them.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Very well here is my version on the Carroll signings as previously posted;

I have to say I find it very difficult to believe that we ever were going to sign Jordan Henderson and Andy Carroll. With regard to Henderson we extended a loan period in his season here so he was not going to be permanent that season and then got quite a severe injury and returned to his club. So when would a fee ever have been discussed. Also Sunderland changed manager at the end of his returning season and Steve Bruce stated Henderson was part of his plans and as soon as he was fit he started making appearances in the first team.

Carroll made 11 apperances for Preston in the 2007/08 season when Ranson joined the club. Carroll had already won a Jackie Milburn trophy and was gaining recognition as a rising star. Prior to going to Preston he had already scored in a friendly against Juventus and was tipped for great things. By the following season he was on the subs bench for Newcastle and played 16 games for them.

Ranson made these statements in the Telegraph with no evidence but did say at the end he would return if Garry Hoffman could get the club from SISU - now is that the same Hoffman who has an interest in the Trinity Group?

Show me ANY evidence that says I am wrong.

Are you for real? I thought you were going to paste some quotes from a credible source or something. You've merely posted your own speculation! :laugh:

 

[lordsummerisle]

Are you for real? I thought you were going to paste some quotes from a creditable source or something. You've merely posted your own speculation! :laugh:

Who's your credible source? Ranson??

 

[Grendel]

Wrexham are non-league, a completely different proposition to league football let alone the 2nd tier of English football. I'm sure Kevin Wilkin has a better win and points ratio thn most of the PL managers, so is a statistically better manager than them.

Wrexham are one league off full league status. That is absurd. Also according to my stats if you include cup games thorn still has a worse ratio anyway! What next he wins more games than any other manager on February 10th?

My question remains. Do you think having a manager with a very poor record is in any way a handicap?

 

[Grendel]

Are you for real? I thought you were going to paste some quotes from a credible source or something. You've merely posted your own speculation! :laugh:

So where is your credible source? The only person who ever made this remark is Ranson. Do you really believe anything he says? What evidence do you have to support the argument than one article in the CET? Do you believe a double decker bus was on the moon?!

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Who's your credible source? Ranson??

Well two of those players were playing for us and one had only been on loan at a club at our level when we were interested. It's not as if it was fantastical stuff.

 

[Grendel]

Well two of those players were playing for us and one had only been on loan at a club at our level when we were interested. It's not as if it was fantastical stuff.

So? did we sign Norwood, Nimeley, Warnock or any loan player we had from a Premier League Club. Name one loan player we have ever had that we ended up signing full-time - other than Leigh Mills.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Well two of those players were playing for us and one had only been on loan at a club at our level when we were interested. It's not as if it was fantastical stuff.

Never mentioned it at the time, but to make him look good and deflect attention for the easily distracted however it worked a treat.

 

[lordsummerisle]

So? did we sign Norwood, Nimeley, Warnock or any loan player we had from a Premier League Club. Name one loan player we have ever had that we ended up signing full-time - other than Leigh Mills.

That went well! Only ourselves to blame, all the idiots singing sign him up, think he ended up at Tamworth after us.

 

[DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe]

The format is thus...

Discredit the alternative with spurious quotes ('they say we have the best manager in the world') and hope that they have more time on their hands than to check your quotes ('statistically, we have the worst manager in the league... just don't ask me to name 18 of them without looking, let alone check this cold, hard fact'). No wonder this bollocks goes round in circles. Said it once, will say it again... I hope this back and forth ducks down a bit with a successful start to the season and we can talk things through with a little balance, in the absence of hyperbole and letting some other c**t get a reasoned word in.

Now, as you were, few more pages in this yet.

 

[Grendel]

Never mentioned it at the time, but to make him look good and deflect attention for the easily distracted however it worked a treat.

Fortunately some of us have a mind to challenge and question. GSS would still think the world was flat if someone who had been on a boat told them so.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

So? did we sign Norwood, Nimeley, Warnock or any loan player we had from a Premier League Club. Name one loan player we have ever had that we ended up signing full-time - other than Leigh Mills.

It was believed at the time that it was Bruce's arrival as manager that scuppered our bid to bring Henderson in. No concrete evidence of course. I'm just going on the word at the time, as anyone of us do.

Can you seriously tell me that Jack Cork would have been a marquee signing though?!

 

[Grendel]

The format is thus...

Discredit the alternative with spurious quotes ('they say we have the best manager in the world') and hope that they have more time on their hands than to check your quotes ('statistically, we have the worst manager in the league... just don't ask me to name 18 of them without looking, let alone check this cold, hard fact'). No wonder this bollocks goes round in circles. Said it once, will say it again... I hope this back and forth ducks down a bit with a successful start to the season and we can talk things through with a little balance, in the absence of hyperbole and letting some other c**t get a reasoned word in.

Now, as you were, few more pages in this yet.

Do you want the League One managers table? Do you really want it? Do you really think I'd say it if I knew otherwise?

 

[Grendel]

It was believed at the time that it was Bruce's arrival as manager that scuppered our bid to bring Henderson in. No concrete evidence of course. I'm just going on the word at the time, as anyone of us do.

Can you seriously tell me that Jack Cork would have been a marquee signing though?!

Out of interest then are you saying we tied to sign Henderson prior to Bruce's appointment? If so when did we make a bid? Remember we agreed a loan extension in February until May and he then had an injury that forced his return. He was not fit again until Bruce was manager. So, when did we make a bid to sign him?

 

[DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe]

Since you asked three times, I will say yes - but must warn you I will not see it tonight and maybe not this weekend as I am off. I look forward to standing corrected, you are bang right and it means something.

 

[dongonzalos]

So where is your credible source? The only person who ever made this remark is Ranson. Do you really believe anything he says? What evidence do you have to support the argument than one article in the CET? Do you believe a double decker bus was on the moon?!

was that not true? What about the whole Freddie Starr thing, may owe him an apology

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Yes well done. He's kept within a budget that he wasn't allowed to exceed. He is the manager that' has taken us to a level of football we have not witnessed for 50 years. He has the worst management record of any football manager of this club since 1917.
He has the worst win ratio of any manager in Division 1.
Yes hat's off to Andy thorn. If you are a Leicester fan you are doing really well.

Shut up or go away.

 

[Grendel]

Shut up or go away.

Wow I succumb to your powers of intellectual argument.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Very well here is my version on the Carroll signings as previously posted;

I have to say I find it very difficult to believe that we ever were going to sign Jordan Henderson and Andy Carroll. With regard to Henderson we extended a loan period in his season here so he was not going to be permanent that season and then got quite a severe injury and returned to his club. So when would a fee ever have been discussed. Also Sunderland changed manager at the end of his returning season and Steve Bruce stated Henderson was part of his plans and as soon as he was fit he started making appearances in the first team.

Carroll made 11 apperances for Preston in the 2007/08 season when Ranson joined the club. Carroll had already won a Jackie Milburn trophy and was gaining recognition as a rising star. Prior to going to Preston he had already scored in a friendly against Juventus and was tipped for great things. By the following season he was on the subs bench for Newcastle and played 16 games for them.

Ranson made these statements in the Telegraph with no evidence but did say at the end he would return if Garry Hoffman could get the club from SISU - now is that the same Hoffman who has an interest in the Trinity Group?

Show me ANY evidence that says I am wrong.

How does us extending a loan prove that we weren't ever in the running to sign him? Sunderland may have accepted a fee for Henderson when the time came before Bruce came in with new ideas. Where's your evidence to prove otherwise?

 

[Grendel]

How does us extending a loan prove that we weren't ever in the running to sign him? Sunderland may have accepted a fee for Henderson when the time came before Bruce came in with new ideas. Where's your evidence to prove otherwise?

We extended his loan. Sbregia said it would help develop him for the following season. He sustained a serious injury 2 weeks after the loan extension. Not one independent source had ever indicated we made any attemp to sign these players. If you believe we ever did you believe one man. The man who said we are debt free and will be in a lot better place in 5 years time. We are not, we aren't and I don't believe him.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

We extended his loan. Sbregia said it would help develop him for the following season. He sustained a serious injury 2 weeks after the loan extension. Not one independent source had ever indicated we made any attemp to sign these players. If you believe we ever did you believe one man. The man who said we are debt free and will be in a lot better place in 5 years time. We are not, we aren't and I don't believe him.

Still just speculation vs speculation though isn't it? We could do this all night. I'm already bored though. Aren't you?

 

[Astute]

We do also have statistically the worst manager in the league. Is that a handicap?

There are statistics, damned statistics and the statistic you repeatedly bring out. It must be hard for you to ignore all the bits that were against AT whilst saying he is shite all the time.

You remind me of an old LP that got scratched and gets stuck all the time.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Still just speculation vs speculation though isn't it? We could do this all night. I'm already bored though. Aren't you?

How about his financial dealings? You always seem to avoid confronting those.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

How about his financial dealings? You always seem to avoid confronting those.

Probably due to how insignificant they are when looking at the bigger picture that you avoid confronting. He is a mercenary to our club just like those players that came and went so if he wants to look out for himself in the meantime then fair play to the guy. You really need to get over it.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Probably due to how insignificant they are when looking at the bigger picture that you avoid confronting. He is a mercenary to our club just like those players that came and went so if he wants to look out for himself in the meantime then fair play to the guy. You really need to get over it.

Fairplay to the guy?

He was supposed to be looking after the club he was Chairman of?

Not screw that club for every penny he could, and loan money to our rivals to but players?

And you want him back too!

Fucking unbelievable.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

Fairplay to the guy?

He was supposed to be looking after the club he was Chairman of?

Not screw that club for every penny he could, and loan money to our rivals to but players?

And you want him back too!

Fucking unbelievable.

Screw our club for any penny he could? Talk about melodramatic. In your head he ran the club with the world's smallest moustache didn't he?