Torquay Sky Blue
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What if we lose 3-4 with a forward passing, quick movement display? or win 1-0 with a turgid sideways backwards ?
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we shouldn’t be playing turgid football with the players we have
Torquay Sky Blue
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McGuire, Stones , Walker, Henderson , Phillips are average and Kane way off form. Apart from that we have a handful of young decent raw talent
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Well I fully expect us to beat Germany (they ain't all that atm) and then choke against Sweden, if anything.
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Thing is, by semi-final time you expect to have to play good teams, so not really worth looking at any of that.
England v Wales semi-final would never happen, but can dream!
Sky Blue Harry H
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Not sure what you want me to say. I want us to win regardless of performance , but would hope we have the players to avoid the turgid route. Which type of performance would you like to see if it made no difference to the result?
SlowerThanPlatt
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You’ve been saying all tournament we’ll get destroyed by any decent side…Beat Germany it’s Sweden or Ukraine then it’s a semi against either Netherlands Czech wales or Denmark
It’s fucking coming home
cc84cov
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Liquid Gold
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No team wins international tournaments by playing swashbuckling football all the way through. It’s a fantasy to expect that.
To take two recent examples the world champions France looked terrible in the groups last time and were unable to beat Australia. The European champions only won 1 game in 90 minutes through the whole tournament.
The style of play at International level is just generally quite dull at the moment. You can get games like Germany destroying Brazil in 2014 but they’re generally in later rounds once teams have got going.
What it also boils down to for me is if we hound Southgate out then who comes in and offers any chance of improvement. They don’t call it the impossible job for nothing.
Torquay Sky Blue
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Think you answered your own question there. Half of the 11 we have on the pitch warrant themselves to turgid football because they're average at best.
Sky Blue Harry H
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Agree - I'd prefer turgid wins over defeat, but I do think we should be serving up better with the players at our disposal. Don't you?
Torquay Sky Blue
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Going forward we have some excellent young players and I would love to see them play with freedom to express but unfortunately our back line is so vulnerable they need protection.
It's boring but inevitable
It's boring but inevitable
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A fair few candidates really. Until Southgate has a dire tournament (and even if we go out to Germany, this isn't it really) then the job's his anyway.
What we should really be doing as well is grooming possible replacements behind the scenes to increase our pool of choice whenever the time comes. Italy had Bearzot, Germany we know about. We've had... Aidy Boothroyd.
Liquid Gold
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The next World Cup is just over a year away too, I doubt the FA are going to change before then. You could say if we had a disastrous Euros then they'd consider it but losing to Germany after topping the group is hardly disaster. Then we still don't have anybody that looks like they could do it who could take on the players and imbed a new style in such a short time.
Ccfcisparks
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COV
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so have you changed your mind now? You were saying we were going to get wiped out not so long ago, now we're through you're all bought into it
Fair weather fan
COV
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Isolate Hummels and it’s coming home
what has changed in 2 days since you said this:
" A heavy defeat is coming "
" either of the 3 from the next group will cut us open at will "
" The first decent team we play will beat us convincingly "
" if we win we will be spanked by who ever we play in the last 16 "
SlowerThanPlatt
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SkyBlueSoul
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A few snippets from Raph Honigstein's article for The Athletic about Germany, interesting to get the view from their side.
Thomas Muller had warned the German public and his team-mates about being overly exuberant after beating Portugal at the weekend. There won’t be any need to repeat that particular message in the wake of one of the worst matches in recent German history on Wednesday night.
RE last night: There were aimless crosses and abortive combinations galore, but no depth, no change of pace, no invention. A painfully languid, eternal build-up game delivered one solitary dangerous situation before the break...
The Nationalmannschaft’s historic strength has been to play like a team with a plan, overcoming individual shortcomings with collective endeavour. This Germany are the opposite.
Against England, you cannot help but think the usual roles will reversed. Gareth Southgate’s are a side entirely defined by game plan, somewhat dull but extremely controlled and coldly functional, whereas Low’s men will arrive in north west London as an entirely unpredictable ensemble of skilful players feeding off willpower rather than any clear blueprint.
Thomas Muller had warned the German public and his team-mates about being overly exuberant after beating Portugal at the weekend. There won’t be any need to repeat that particular message in the wake of one of the worst matches in recent German history on Wednesday night.
RE last night: There were aimless crosses and abortive combinations galore, but no depth, no change of pace, no invention. A painfully languid, eternal build-up game delivered one solitary dangerous situation before the break...
The Nationalmannschaft’s historic strength has been to play like a team with a plan, overcoming individual shortcomings with collective endeavour. This Germany are the opposite.
Against England, you cannot help but think the usual roles will reversed. Gareth Southgate’s are a side entirely defined by game plan, somewhat dull but extremely controlled and coldly functional, whereas Low’s men will arrive in north west London as an entirely unpredictable ensemble of skilful players feeding off willpower rather than any clear blueprint.
cc84cov
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Thanks Clive
COV
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I think thats a fair summary
This one is too close to call for me- man for man we should win but we have very little momentum, and our "talisman" is spectacularly off form.
SkyBlueSoul
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Agree, Germany really aren't all that atm. That first game v France was always going to be cagey but ultimately they lost, the Portugal manager helped paper over the cracks by doing nothing to combat Germany's tactics and last night showed that (like us at times) they really struggle to break down an organised and committed side and essentially won by throwing everything and everyone into attack at the end.
Not saying it'll be easy for us by any stretch but it's definitely our best chance to beat them in years
Not saying it'll be easy for us by any stretch but it's definitely our best chance to beat them in years
Sky Blue Pete
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No excuses now, if we don’t make the final we have failed and he should be sacked
David O'Day
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Personally, I think as a nation, we have this inferiority complex against the bigger international teams.
Germany have got some good players, but they’re not the team they were between 2008 and 2016.
We need the psychological boost of beating someone like Germany in the knockout game to propel us to the next stage!
cc84cov
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Still can’t believe you haven’t replied to my bet offer being as we will probably match Germany’s wingback system shaw should play
David O'Day
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Still can’t believe you haven’t replied to my bet offer being as we will probably match Germany’s wingback system shaw should play
I can't believe you are still pretending that making a bet you can't afford anyway is a decent way of proving that Luke Shaw is "poor"
Fancy explaining why you think he is "poor"? or are you just going to be a the same old floof in his mums basement spewing endless crap adn then pretending to be a football sage when by law of averages one of the billion things you post is correct?
Come on kid this is your chance to actually shine.