Sky Blue Pete
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Yep agreed
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David O'Day
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The don't really control the mutations though
Sky Blue Pete
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Nope I agree and one way of not giving a toss is allowing 50000 daily infections
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This is an interesting article, from both the perspective of the headline, and other content within.
www.theguardian.com
Chris Whitty: keeping Covid restrictions will only delay wave
England’s chief medical officer says hospitalisations will not be reduced by keeping rules this summer
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep interesting stuff
This is an interesting article, from both the perspective of the headline, and other content within.
Chris Whitty: keeping Covid restrictions will only delay wave
England’s chief medical officer says hospitalisations will not be reduced by keeping rules this summer
Accurate article and what I heard to be honest, many others in media etc looking for someone to blame will hear and see what they want to. By all accounts Whitty was supportive of the end of restrictions whatever people might have seen last night.
These aren’t black and white decisions, there is nuance, risks, pros and cons to every one of them. I’d imagine with hindsight they may even wish the virus has spread more widely, gradually last summer but again that’s easy to say now.
This paragraph hits the nail on the head for me. Let’s not make excuses for people that ‘don’t understand’ or are struggling with ‘mixed messages’ etc. The advice is clear, the only difference is that rather than certain things being illegal there is a higher degree of personal responsibility
“If we’ve come through 18 months of Covid and people are still not persuaded to change their behaviour, they are probably a group that are in denial for their own reasons and it may be very hard to modify their behaviour. It’ll be for the silent and sensible majority to take the lead,” he said.
I would personally have kept face coverings on the tube as mandatory but If the mask wearing is still at 70% like that polls posted suggest, then I doubt the additional 30% (many of whom might take regular tests, some of which wouldn’t wear masks at all or properly, many might be exempt or double jabbed and likely to reduce transmission etc) would make a huge difference anyway
I’ll continue to wear mine in crowded places, more for others than for myself, but if I saw someone not wearing one, that’s their call. I can either leave them to it or move away.
ps I wouldn't be surprised if face coverings become mandatory again in certain social settings during late autumn/winter months.
David O'Day
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Sky Blue Pete
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I see we like Imperials modelling when it says things we agree with
That did make me smile to be fair. I’ve said before hospitalisations have been amended down once, possibly twice recently, which is good. I accept models are always based on imperfect data but ultimately saying they were wrong due to incorrect assumptions isn’t too bad is it ?!I could also flip it the other way with everyone saying we should follow the scientific advice and when the government do, people still complain.
So much of this is calculated guesswork as there’s so many variables (not least guessing people’s behaviours !), hence the range of models
shmmeee
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I could also flip it the other way with everyone saying we should follow the scientific advice and when the government do, people still complain.
So much of this is calculated guesswork as there’s so many variables (not least guessing people’s behaviours !), hence the range of models
Im just playing.
I get the distinct impression we don’t really know, but weirdly have become a lot more relaxed since having my second dose.
Also have a horrible feeling that it’ll be vaccine hesitancy that’s the issue now and like fuck and I sitting around waiting for Darren and Karen to log off Facebook long enough to get a clue.
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Funny, that!
Ultimately, I'm prepared to go with the Chief Medical Officer's view, as he knows more than I do, and has more access to information than I do. If he decides opening up now is the right thing to do then... it's the right thing to do. Time will tell if he's right or not.
I do find the mask fudging bonkers however, but I'll end up a stuck record if I don't shut up now, so I will
Anyway, let's see what weak willed policy my workplace implements (and more to the point, Mrs Wisdom's!). Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised...
shmmeee
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Funny, that!
Ultimately, I'm prepared to go with the Chief Medical Officer's view, as he knows more than I do, and has more access to information than I do. If he decides opening up now is the right thing to do then... it's the right thing to do. Time will tell if he's right or not.
I do find the mask fudging bonkers however, but I'll end up a stuck record if I don't shut up now, so I will
The public health messaging has been an absolute clusterfuck. But I’ve said before Johnson is a shit supply teacher who just wants to be liked so was never going to manage it.
chiefdave
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Beginning to wonder if Javid has been appointed in an attempt to make Hancock seem competent. There was also this, "Health Secretary Sajid Javid says it will be up to shops and transport operators to have their own policy on masks.", who is he expecting to enforce that? If Tesco say masks only and people don't comply I highly doubt the police are going to assist.
fernandopartridge
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I see delta is starting to spread in France now. France doesn't have the vaccine coverage that we do, (31.4% fully vax vs 50.4% here).
Yeah, it’s even worse in Portugal. Its a race between the variant and vaccine programmes around the world. The Delta variant was always going to become the most prominent strain (until the next more transmissible one !), red list or no red list for India
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Let's hope that one's a nice weak and feeble one!
COV
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Don't know if I'm the first to mention this so apologies if this is old news
Our new variant... the 'Lamda' from Peru, aka C.37- this one is resistant to vaccines apparently
Death rate from this one twice as high as any other variant
nypost.com
Our new variant... the 'Lamda' from Peru, aka C.37- this one is resistant to vaccines apparently
Death rate from this one twice as high as any other variant
Fears arise that lambda COVID-19 variant from Peru may be resistant to vaccines
The Lambda mutation, or C.37, appears to have emerged in Peru last August — and is now being blamed for the country having the highest pandemic death rate in the world.
nypost.com
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'May' be. 'Possible'.Don't know if I'm the first to mention this so apologies if this is old news
Our new variant... the 'Lamda' from Peru, aka C.37- this one is resistant to vaccines apparently
Death rate from this one twice as high as any other variant
Fears arise that lambda COVID-19 variant from Peru may be resistant to vaccines
The Lambda mutation, or C.37, appears to have emerged in Peru last August — and is now being blamed for the country having the highest pandemic death rate in the world.
COV
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Isn't that how it starts? Think back to last March. Nobody really sure, rumour & counter rumour, some people denying it, some people warning of the dangers, some people appealing for calm as nothing is certain yet. Then...
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep especially without having the vaccinations cover we have
COV
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The suspicious side of me wonders why we see comparatively little coverage of this variant domestically (I don't think anyway), whereas elsewhere its everywhere.
Perhaps not the type of thing certain people think should be discussed with the backdrop of restrictions being dropped?
In the same way as while the restrictions being dropped was being lauded/ slated, the right to peaceful protest was quietly being removed via the Policing Bill.
fernandopartridge
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Think it was evading the already less effective Cinovac (the Chinese vaccine), no evidence that it can evade the Pfizer, Moderna or AZ ones afaiaDon't know if I'm the first to mention this so apologies if this is old news
Our new variant... the 'Lamda' from Peru, aka C.37- this one is resistant to vaccines apparently
Death rate from this one twice as high as any other variant
Fears arise that lambda COVID-19 variant from Peru may be resistant to vaccines
The Lambda mutation, or C.37, appears to have emerged in Peru last August — and is now being blamed for the country having the highest pandemic death rate in the world.
fernandopartridge
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Tbf the UK represents half of the growth
COV
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If we were suddenly confronted with the "Satan variant" directly imported from hell with a 90% death rate, there would still be people calling for an end to all restrictions.
I saw that Richard Ashcroft has now joined Ian Brown and Right Said Fred (!) in the denier camp
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There would, and they'd be mental.
But the best way is to keep to the facts. So far, this Peru variant is a 'might' and a 'maybe'. Consistency says we have to trust our medical advisors as, well, they're the medical experts. It doesn't mean they'll automatically be right, but they've got a damned site better chance of being right than the rest of us!
COV
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No but it would make people feel more comfortable as they took their final breath in the bread aisle
fernandopartridge
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This is an interesting thread on removing restrictions
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The last thing we need is a mask war to be honest.
If people want to wear one then that is absolutely fine, equally if others don't then that is also fine.
Cannot see it playing out like that though.
If people want to wear one then that is absolutely fine, equally if others don't then that is also fine.
Cannot see it playing out like that though.