what I’m saying is it’s not just down to one team. It’s not as if we made a load of subs after 25, just more like Italy sorted themselves out. I thought second half we should’ve made an attacking sub earlier to change the momentum but again, all these decisions are easy to say from an armchair/down the boozer
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what I’m saying is it’s not just down to one team. It’s not as if we made a load of subs after 25, just more like Italy sorted themselves out. I thought second half we should’ve made an attacking sub earlier to change the momentum but again, all these decisions are easy to say from an armchair/down the boozer
CJ_covblaze
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Erm I’m a bit confused. I agree with Grendel.
COV
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I do not want Southgate sacked, let me get that out of the way,
But as someone else said above- could you see Klopp, Pep or Mancini himself let the game go how we did, and letting us totally switch off, then fail to respond at all? And then make those weird decisions on the penalties?
We have to learn, fast.
I believe Southgate has it in him to learn the lessons, he's smart enough, but my god we threw it away last night, it was ours, right there, and we chucked it away.
Terry Gibson's perm
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Surely the ones beating them up are no better how did they select who to hit can I check your ticket them wham?
Liquid Gold
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Just watched back the end and the England players taking their runners up medals off as soon as they get given them properly ruined me.
COV
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I watched the penalties back, Rashford's looks worse when you see it again, and I just wanted to hug Saka
Evo1883
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Problem is he did very little to try and make sure that never happened.
It's like he was hoping we'd get 1 break and win the game
Tommo1993
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Extra time was the big break opportunity. The way the second half was going I’d have ripped your hand off to go straight to penalties. But it opened up again, that was our chance.
COV
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Underneath it all Southgate himself will know better than anyone what a chance has been blown.
rob9872
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Seems to be the modern way. Big time Charlie's who in some cases have won fk all, just don't want to be seen as if its ok. It's a runners up medal and most would love one if they were being honest.
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cc84cov
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they were brought on far too late Phillips and stones should of been ahead of Saka but we don’t know how they were in training
rob9872
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Tbf if anyone said that about City fans not going all the time they'd be called out on here for it. Not everyone can afford every game, especially away internationals.
mark82
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Apparently in the coming world rankings
England move up to 3 , Italy move up to 5
It's a points based system over (I think) 2 years. Italy on the up and will likely hit the top by the next world cup. They just had further to climb than we did.
mark82
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Bellingham will have another 2 years under his belt. Rice also has a massive future. Henderson will still be in the reckoning too. We're looking pretty good for the future at that position. Defensive depth still my main concern. Take out Stones or Maguire there's a big drop off.
Tommo1993
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Qatar way too unrealistic. Would love to get to Germany ‘24 though.
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Whilst we would appear to have an idiot fan population greater than some/most countries, we do love a bit of the old self-flagellation. So far, one UK account has been identified as being the source of racist abuse, whilst Southgate has said that the data shows overseas accounts to be involved. When the PL recently has looked into abuse from 10 accounts, 3 were from Asia, 2 from the middle east, 3 from Africa and 2 from the UK, and and none were shown to have affiliations (e.g. by way of season ticket or account holdings) with football clubs.
Needless to say, the English haters are loving it, and yet chances are it's overseas again doing the damage.
Needless to say, the English haters are loving it, and yet chances are it's overseas again doing the damage.
Mucca Mad Boys
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That’s a pretty harsh assessment.
This is a young team and they got beat by more experienced team. By and large, we managed their threats well, and in the end we were undone by a fortunate goal. In fairness to you, Italy were the better team with more possession and shots than us and it felt like we were being passive and too conservative. We lost on penalties, and the team that shoots first wins more often than not, so we were unlucky in that sense.
We have promising young team and they’ve got finals experience already. 2022 and 2024 we will be amongst the favourites and rightfully so.
Southgate will learn from this like he learnt from 2018.
COV
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Well we haven’t got long to wait to find out anyway
Mucca Mad Boys
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There’s no shame in losing to the best team of the tournament so far. Mancini is one of the best managers in international football too.
The mentality has got to be ‘we’ll get to the final of the next tournament’. Under Lowe, Germany got to a final in 2008 and two semi finals before winning the World Cup in 2014.
Our time will come and football will come home, eventually.
Sky Blue Pete
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Just seen this on a friends post:
This is England
⚽️
This is England: Raheem Sterling, whose big sister would go with him to training and back every day, three buses each way, and never once complained. Raheem Sterling, who called the day he bought his mum a house ‘the best day of my life.’
This is England: Jordan Henderson, who spent most of the first lockdown last year organising the other 19 Premiership captains to help raise money for the NHS.
This is England: Marcus Rashford, who secured free school meals for vulnerable kids during school holidays after the government had refused to extend the programme. Marcus Rashford, who lives by the words of his mother Melanie: ‘take pride in knowing that your struggle will play the biggest role in your purpose.’
This is England: Mason Mount, who gave the shirt he’d worn in the semi-final victory over Denmark to a 10-year-old girl called Belle in the crowd, and in doing her made her smile a smile so incandescent it could melt the Siberian permafrost.
This is England: Tyrone Mings, who spent part of his childhood in a homeless shelter, who played non-league football while working as a barman and mortgage advisor, and who tells kids at the coaching camps he runs that the game is nothing unless they enjoy it. Tyrone Mings, who was taunted with monkey chants on his England debut against Bulgaria and didn’t pretend he hadn’t heard, who turned to the assistant referee and said, firmly but without aggression, ‘did you hear that?’ As in: we’ve got a problem here, you’re part of the officiating team, so this is your problem too and I’m not going to let you duck it, because though this was the most important match of his life there were some things which were more important still than that.
This is England: Luke Shaw, who when playing for Southampton watched Liverpool players file unseeingly past two small boys waiting for their autographs, and who went over and said ‘I know I don’t play for your team, but will I do?’ and posed for a photo with them which they will never forget.
This is England: Declan Rice, who would play cage football in New Malden every day after school and all day on Saturdays, not because he was the best but because he wasn’t.
This is England: Bukayo Saka, who got As and A*s in his GCSEs because his parents insisted that he work as hard inside the classroom as he did on the pitch. Bukayo Saka, whose Christian name in Yoruba means ‘adds to happiness.’
This is England: Kieran Trippier, who still speaks regularly to his old teachers at Woodhey High School in Bury because they looked out for him and his brothers. Kieran Trippier, who every day has cause to reflect on the truth of the inscription by the school gates: ‘where dreams may grow.’
This is England: Kalvin Phillips, whose mum worked two jobs while his dad was in and out of prison. One of those jobs was at Harpo’s Pizzas, where you can now order the Kalvin’s Special.
This is England: Gareth Southgate, who until recently was most famous for missing a penalty he had the balls to volunteer for even though he’d never taken one before, because he knew what Teddy Roosevelt meant when he talked about the man in the arena.
These, too, are England: a system which rewards the venal, the vainglorious and the mendacious; tribes which assume the worst of each other and snipe over Brexit, lockdown and masks; public services creaking under the strain of decades of underfunding; kids getting stabbed and women getting attacked; morons who boo the opponents’ national anthems and shine laser pens at their goalkeepers; and so very, very much more. These too are England, and they will still be so next week, next month and next year.
But, if only for today, there is an England of Raheem Sterling and Jordan Henderson, of Marcus Rashford and Mason Mount, of Tyrone Mings and Luke Shaw, of Declan Rice and Bukayo Saka, of Kieran Trippier and Kalvin Phillips, and of Gareth Southgate. If only for today, this is my England. You choose yours.
This is England
⚽️This is England: Raheem Sterling, whose big sister would go with him to training and back every day, three buses each way, and never once complained. Raheem Sterling, who called the day he bought his mum a house ‘the best day of my life.’
This is England: Jordan Henderson, who spent most of the first lockdown last year organising the other 19 Premiership captains to help raise money for the NHS.
This is England: Marcus Rashford, who secured free school meals for vulnerable kids during school holidays after the government had refused to extend the programme. Marcus Rashford, who lives by the words of his mother Melanie: ‘take pride in knowing that your struggle will play the biggest role in your purpose.’
This is England: Mason Mount, who gave the shirt he’d worn in the semi-final victory over Denmark to a 10-year-old girl called Belle in the crowd, and in doing her made her smile a smile so incandescent it could melt the Siberian permafrost.
This is England: Tyrone Mings, who spent part of his childhood in a homeless shelter, who played non-league football while working as a barman and mortgage advisor, and who tells kids at the coaching camps he runs that the game is nothing unless they enjoy it. Tyrone Mings, who was taunted with monkey chants on his England debut against Bulgaria and didn’t pretend he hadn’t heard, who turned to the assistant referee and said, firmly but without aggression, ‘did you hear that?’ As in: we’ve got a problem here, you’re part of the officiating team, so this is your problem too and I’m not going to let you duck it, because though this was the most important match of his life there were some things which were more important still than that.
This is England: Luke Shaw, who when playing for Southampton watched Liverpool players file unseeingly past two small boys waiting for their autographs, and who went over and said ‘I know I don’t play for your team, but will I do?’ and posed for a photo with them which they will never forget.
This is England: Declan Rice, who would play cage football in New Malden every day after school and all day on Saturdays, not because he was the best but because he wasn’t.
This is England: Bukayo Saka, who got As and A*s in his GCSEs because his parents insisted that he work as hard inside the classroom as he did on the pitch. Bukayo Saka, whose Christian name in Yoruba means ‘adds to happiness.’
This is England: Kieran Trippier, who still speaks regularly to his old teachers at Woodhey High School in Bury because they looked out for him and his brothers. Kieran Trippier, who every day has cause to reflect on the truth of the inscription by the school gates: ‘where dreams may grow.’
This is England: Kalvin Phillips, whose mum worked two jobs while his dad was in and out of prison. One of those jobs was at Harpo’s Pizzas, where you can now order the Kalvin’s Special.
This is England: Gareth Southgate, who until recently was most famous for missing a penalty he had the balls to volunteer for even though he’d never taken one before, because he knew what Teddy Roosevelt meant when he talked about the man in the arena.
These, too, are England: a system which rewards the venal, the vainglorious and the mendacious; tribes which assume the worst of each other and snipe over Brexit, lockdown and masks; public services creaking under the strain of decades of underfunding; kids getting stabbed and women getting attacked; morons who boo the opponents’ national anthems and shine laser pens at their goalkeepers; and so very, very much more. These too are England, and they will still be so next week, next month and next year.
But, if only for today, there is an England of Raheem Sterling and Jordan Henderson, of Marcus Rashford and Mason Mount, of Tyrone Mings and Luke Shaw, of Declan Rice and Bukayo Saka, of Kieran Trippier and Kalvin Phillips, and of Gareth Southgate. If only for today, this is my England. You choose yours.
Paxman II
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I thought Southgate got it wrong tactically and team selection tbh. He paid the price for some inepitude when the game was going away from us. Subs were far too late. As for penalties, the coach should have the balls to pick the takers and understand surely that a young Saka was not the ideal choice in such a final. Grealish, Sterling I understand wanted it but the manager stuck with the pre planned training stats. The final was not a training pitch! yeah he got it wrong last night and he will learn. but Italy unbeaten in 33 games tells you what you were up against. No disgrace for England overall, we were beaten by the better side on the night and of the tournament tbf.
SlowerThanPlatt
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He says he did choose?
Otis
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Umm...they are Polish fans. You would have thought she would have checked first wouldn't you
COV
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Maybe I’m wrong but I took it to mean that even though he’d made his picks in advance, he should have had the nous to see that Saka wasn’t right for one. And I’d say he’s correct in that assumption.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But in both tournaments he had pretty favourable fixtures, and this one was practically at home for us.
I'll admit I got quite a few things wrong about this tournament. I wasn't convinced on Maguire's fitness. I wasn't sure about Phillips and Rice but both were immense. I thought the likes of Pickford and Stones would at some point make a costly gaffe, but again both excellent. But last night the manager made tactical errors and was outthought by Mancini.
COV
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Losing can be a very positive thing if you learn from it and get better for it.
I’m not sure we can say for sure that we learned from the Croatia match having seen last nights match.
But we’ll see in Qatar, wouldn’t want Southgate to go now but if we waste this current crop of players then big questions have to be asked.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's really annoying how we've got a small number of people who have to be complete and utter dicks all the time. To a much lesser even the dick that invaded the pitch. All this is going to ensure there's a reason to make sure we don't host a tournament for a fair while.
As for the abuse online, they can fuck off. Most especially those that brought race into it. I've criticised the penalties on here, but no more than a pundit would do in a studio. To actually go and abuse someone is just not on.
COV
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Oh yeah agreed on that 100%. There’s no getting around the fact that Rashford and Sancho’s penalties were really poor but to start coming out with that stuff is just bewildering, not sure what kind of sick mind does it.
Sick Boy
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Has Grealish ever taken a penalty in a professional first-team game?
SlowerThanPlatt
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Yeah 2, he missed at Sheffield United and scored at Wolves last year