McCallum to QPR (10 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Giles did very little going forward. Dacosta channelled his inner Cafu for one game.

And yet both created more opportunities than McCallum

People really do go too far when admirably trying to defend players. He’s a decent young defender, he’s not the perfect player in every way, calm down.

 

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[Grendel]

And yet both created more opportunities than McCallum

People really do go too far when admirably trying to defend players. He’s a decent young defender, he’s not the perfect player in every way, calm down.

Oddly defenders are primarily there to defend

 

[Frostie]

Burroughs isn't a RB, RW or RWB by nature as far as I know but a attacking midfielder who can go a bit wider if necessary (SBChimp I'm sure can correct me if I'm wrong). Eccles isn't either - he's a DCM.

I'm sure they'd be willing to play there if asked but I feel we'd be doing them a disservice to look at them to play there regularly. A bit like we ruined Osbourne playing him at RB when his natural position was as a disruptor and ball-winning DCM.

I think of the three Pask is actually the most suited to RWB, but again I feel he would be better as a right sided centre back, esp as he has a bit of pace which we lack in our current defence. Blaine Rowe I think is a more natural right back if we're looking to bring someone through in that position but it depends on how he is progressing in the development team.

Dacosta is a natural right sided player but he needs to be far more disciplined in his positioning. Maybe (hopefully) he can be trained to do that in which case he'd be the natural back-up for Dabo.

Yeah sorry, I know Eccles isn't a natural wing-back, I was talking in an emergency scenario with Dabo & Dacosta both unavailable as happened this last season.
I do think Burroughs is possibly earmarked for that role going forward now, despite starting out as more of an attacking midfield player. He plays RWB regularly for the U23s & his attributes are a good fit (as you rightly say @SBchimp will know best!).
I think he is far more suited to it than having to resort to Pask there again & would even prefer Eccles fill in again if really desperate.

 

[shmmeee]

Oddly defenders are primarily there to defend

Oddly wingbacks aren’t fullbacks. We play 3421/3412 not 541/532.

All our attacking width comes from the WBs.

 

[clint van damme]

And yet both created more opportunities than McCallum

People really do go too far when admirably trying to defend players. He’s a decent young defender, he’s not the perfect player in every way, calm down.

Where did I say he was a perfect player?
I said in my initial post 'for all his faults'.

I took to watching Rotherhams games in the run in and in the limited time Giles had on the pitch he was dreadful.
Another one who gets better the less he plays and the longer he's been away from the club.

 

[Hod dog]

im not sure how this is even a conversation? Mccallum is better than Giles or Dacosta. Giles has Potential to be a good winger but needs to improve the defensive part of his game. Dacosta is to erratic for me, not great at retaining possession, does have the ability to cross a ball, but thats not enough, I actually preferred the very small amount of time we saw of Burroughs over Dacosta.

Mccallum going to QPR is a good move for him and Norwich, on paper QPR should be finishing higher than us this season and he gets opportunity to test himself in a different environment so best of luck to him

 

[SBchimp]

Yeah sorry, I know Eccles isn't a natural wing-back, I was talking in an emergency scenario with Dabo & Dacosta both unavailable as happened this last season.
I do think Burroughs is possibly earmarked for that role going forward now, despite starting out as more of an attacking midfield player. He plays RWB regularly for the U23s & his attributes are a good fit (as you rightly say @SBchimp will know best!).
I think he is far more suited to it than having to resort to Pask there again & would even prefer Eccles fill in again if really desperate.

I try not to get comment on either, however...I think right now wing back suits him, he played as a RB for 2 games recently for Scotland 21's and they also questioned him about the fact that he uses his left a lot of the time and if he felt comfortable playing on the left. He is actually left handed, tends to dribble with his left and shoot with his right. I personally think the left may be a better option cutting inside etc..
in time I'm sure he'd like to come back more central and further up the field but who knows....

 

[Grendel]

Oddly wingbacks aren’t fullbacks. We play 3421/3412 not 541/532.

All our attacking width comes from the WBs.

You even seem to be implying DeCosta has attributes McCallum hasn't - that is nonsense as is the suggestion Giles also has strengths he doesn't

 

[Frostie]

I try not to get comment on either, however...I think right now wing back suits him, he played as a RB for 2 games recently for Scotland 21's and they also questioned him about the fact that he uses his left a lot of the time and if he felt comfortable playing on the left. He is actually left handed, tends to dribble with his left and shoot with his right. I personally think the left may be a better option cutting inside etc..
in time I'm sure he'd like to come back more central and further up the field but who knows....

Thanks mate, appreciate the insight.
His flexibility should be a major asset

 

[shmmeee]

You even seem to be implying DeCosta has attributes McCallum hasn't - that is nonsense as is the suggestion Giles also has strengths he doesn't

OK. Sam McCallum is quicker than Giles and creates more goal scoring opportunities. This is true despite all evidence to the contrary because Grendel says so.

Sam McCallum is unlucky not to only not be in the Norwich first team, but the England squad as clearly the greatest wing back in the game. He has no flaws.

 

[Grendel]

OK. Sam McCallum is quicker than Giles and creates more goal scoring opportunities. This is true despite all evidence to the contrary because Grendel says so.

Sam McCallum is unlucky not to only not be in the Norwich first team, but the England squad as clearly the greatest wing back in the game. He has no flaws.

Giles hasn't managed to get into any team and hold his place - so i guess you with your stato board knows better than every football manager who has managed him. Perhaps the ex Wolves manager, the current Rotherham and Coventry managers should have your expert advice. Perhaps you should apply as a data analyst and also you should surely tell QPR to cancel the deal as you obviously have superior data intellect to them as well

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Im increasingly thinking we need two fullbacks and to go four at the back.


Disagree. Dacostas use of the ball going forward is much better, as is his willingness to take players on and his crossing.

McCallums use of the ball was truly terrible at times as was his crossing.

He’s a very good LB and a nice young man, but we don’t have to pretend he’s the perfect footballer to make that point.

I don't know any of the players as people, opinions are based purely on performances.
I disagree that Dacosta was better going forward.I think his all around game was poor. Hopefully that will improve this season.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Giles hasn't managed to get into any team and hold his place - so i guess you with your stato board knows better than every football manager who has managed him. Perhaps the ex Wolves manager, the current Rotherham and Coventry managers should have your expert advice. Perhaps you should apply as a data analyst and also you should surely tell QPR to cancel the deal as you obviously have superior data intellect to them as well

Cardiff appear to think he has got those attributes.

Don’t get me wrong, I prefer McCallum, but attacking wise we broke down when he had the ball. Crossing was awful.

All round player, McCallum was better but purely from an attacking point of view Giles was a more accomplished crosser

 

[Ccfcisparks]

McCallum is much better than Da Costa and Giles IMO, and will have a career that never falls below the Championship imo

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Cardiff appear to think he has got those attributes.

As fp pointed out, could be the ideal move for him to actually have a team that plays to his strengths.

That team, however, wasn't and isn't us.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

As fp pointed out, could be the ideal move for him to actually have a team that plays to his strengths.

That team, however, wasn't and isn't us.

That’s a fair point, there’s a player there somewhere. Possibly not as a wing back.

 

[mark82]

As fp pointed out, could be the ideal move for him to actually have a team that plays to his strengths.

That team, however, wasn't and isn't us.

Probably was Rotherham though.

 

[SleepyGinger]

I think Sam continues his current trajectory he will be a premier league left back. Look how much he’s come on in 3 years and still only 20/21. Hes got all the attributes to succeed, think he’ll settle as a left back rather than a wing back though.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

OK. Sam McCallum is quicker than Giles and creates more goal scoring opportunities. This is true despite all evidence to the contrary because Grendel says so.

Sam McCallum is unlucky not to only not be in the Norwich first team, but the England squad as clearly the greatest wing back in the game. He has no flaws.

Seems your just very sheepish as you were a big advocate of Giles over MaCallum the whole of last season. Your back tracking is laughable on this thread.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

I think Sam continues his current trajectory he will be a premier league left back. Look how much he’s come on in 3 years and still only 20/21. Hes got all the attributes to succeed, think he’ll settle as a left back rather than a wing back though.

Agree.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

OK. Sam McCallum is quicker than Giles and creates more goal scoring opportunities. This is true despite all evidence to the contrary because Grendel says so.

Sam McCallum is unlucky not to only not be in the Norwich first team, but the England squad as clearly the greatest wing back in the game. He has no flaws.

I feel like this will be the last time I comment on this, as McCallum is no longer playing for us.

I simply can't believe you feel Giles or Dacosta are anywhere near him in ability. He is very close to Premier League quality, and in my view definitely in the top three players for us last season.

Maybe Giles and Dacosta put in more crosses but generally they were poor in quality. Giles had no other game but to run on the outside and cross. McCallum often played intelligent balls inside to people like O'Hare but could also go down the wing.

Defensively there is no comparison.

You say his passing was terrible. I just don't agree. It was way better than Ostigard's. I like Ostigard but he really needs to work on that aspect of his game, and that is why he is further from being a Premier League player than McCallum.

Dacosta might be ok as a back up player, but if he is that, we must hope that Dabo stays fit this year. He is erratic and positionally naive.

Giles has some strong attributes, including good pace, but as I see it, at the moment a League 1 player at best. I accept if he widens his range of play he has the potential to be much better, but McCallum will go much further in the game.

 

[clint van damme]

OK. Sam McCallum is quicker than Giles and creates more goal scoring opportunities. This is true despite all evidence to the contrary because Grendel says so.

Sam McCallum is unlucky not to only not be in the Norwich first team, but the England squad as clearly the greatest wing back in the game. He has no flaws.

Not one person has said that. Everyone's saying he's better all round than Giles and Dacosta.
I wouldn't like to try and limbo under that bar.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

I feel like this will be the last time I comment on this, as McCallum is no longer playing for us.

I simply can't believe you feel Giles or Dacosta are anywhere near him in ability. He is very close to Premier League quality, and in my view definitely in the top three players for us last season.

Maybe Giles and Dacosta put in more crosses but generally they were poor in quality. Giles had no other game but to run on the outside and cross. McCallum often played intelligent balls inside to people like O'Hare but could also go down the wing.

Defensively there is no comparison.

You say his passing was terrible. I just don't agree. It was way better than Ostigard's. I like Ostigard but he really needs to work on that aspect of his game, and that is why he is further from being a Premier League player than McCallum.

Dacosta might be ok as a back up player, but if he is that, we must hope that Dabo stays fit this year. He is erratic and positionally naive.

Giles has some strong attributes, including good pace, but as I see it, at the moment a League 1 player at best. I accept if he widens his range of play he has the potential to be much better, but McCallum will go much further in the game.

He is better than them two but I would disagree in your assessment that he’s very close to PL quality. Norwich have sent him back out without looking at him in pre season which would suggest they think he’s a long way off

 

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

He is erratic and positionally naive.

The first time I read this I thought it said “he is erotic and positionally naive” for a second , that would’ve given a whole new meaning to the sentence….

 

[SBAndy]

Not one person has said that. Everyone's saying he's better all round than Giles and Dacosta.
I wouldn't like to try and limbo under that bar.

Grendel tried to suggest that there wasn’t a single attribute Giles possessed which was better than McCallum. Is it ok to say McCallum was the better player but isn’t really a wing back and we need someone with more attacking impetus?

Do QPR play a back 4?

 

[covcity4life]

A lot of egg on shmees face right now. And only yourself to blame for continuing to go out of your way to put mcallum down. It was stupid last season and it is stupid now.

 

[shmmeee]

Seems your just very sheepish as you were a big advocate of Giles over MaCallum the whole of last season. Your back tracking is laughable on this thread.

That’s not true now is it?

I think our left side was the problem with our progressive play. Hyam and McCallum had L1 use of the ball whatever their other qualities. When we went direct this wasn’t an issue and both looked more comfortable. Personally I don’t want us to be Barnsley Mk 2 and looking at the strikers we’ve brought in neither does Robins so we need better. Saying that doesn’t take away from McCallums good qualities but to pretend he has no flaws is ludicrous.

 

[clint van damme]

Grendel tried to suggest that there wasn’t a single attribute Giles possessed which was better than McCallum. Is it ok to say McCallum was the better player but isn’t really a wing back and we need someone with more attacking impetus?

Do QPR play a back 4?

I don't think Giles does possess any attributes where he's better than McCallum at full back or wing back personally though I was still critical of McCallum and if we can improve on him then great.

 

[Frostie]

Do QPR play a back 4?

Very flexible, they chop & change frequently.

In their 46 league games they started with a back 3 on 26 occasions & a back 4 on 20 occasions.

 

[clint van damme]

That’s not true now is it?

I think our left side was the problem with our progressive play. Hyam and McCallum had L1 use of the ball whatever their other qualities. When we went direct this wasn’t an issue and both looked more comfortable. Personally I don’t want us to be Barnsley Mk 2 and looking at the strikers we’ve brought in neither does Robins so we need better. Saying that doesn’t take away from McCallums good qualities but to pretend he has no flaws is ludicrous.

Our left side was an issue all season regardless of personnel. The only constant was Hyam though I don't think we can blame it all on him

 

[Evo1883]

 

[rexo87]

That’s not true now is it?

I think our left side was the problem with our progressive play. Hyam and McCallum had L1 use of the ball whatever their other qualities. When we went direct this wasn’t an issue and both looked more comfortable. Personally I don’t want us to be Barnsley Mk 2 and looking at the strikers we’ve brought in neither does Robins so we need better. Saying that doesn’t take away from McCallums good qualities but to pretend he has no flaws is ludicrous.

I rate McCallum but this is true. It was painful at times watching McCallum and Hyam on that left hand side


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[Frostie]

I rate McCallum but this is true. It was painful at times watching McCallum and Hyam on that left hand side


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Indeed. I'm not sure why it's so controversial to suggest McCallum's use of the ball wasn't always the best.

It's obvious on the eye that his passing is arguably his biggest weakness at this stage, the stats clearly support this & the player himself admits it's an aspect of his game he's working hard to improve.

 

[Barnsley]

That’s not true now is it?

I think our left side was the problem with our progressive play. Hyam and McCallum had L1 use of the ball whatever their other qualities. When we went direct this wasn’t an issue and both looked more comfortable. Personally I don’t want us to be Barnsley Mk 2 and looking at the strikers we’ve brought in neither does Robins so we need better. Saying that doesn’t take away from McCallums good qualities but to pretend he has no flaws is ludicrous.

West Brom Mk 2 you mean, according to our players on social media, the new head coach as them playing two touch football in training, dribbling with the ball and building up from the back when in possession, and pressing in packs without the ball. Quite a style change when in possession, but retaining the work ethic without the ball, should be a lot easier on the eye, hopefully it’s as successful as lump it was at getting the required results.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

West Brom Mk 2 you mean, according to our players on social media, the new head coach as them playing two touch football in training, dribbling with the ball and building up from the back when in possession, and pressing in packs without the ball. Quite a style change when in possession, but retaining the work ethic without the ball, should be a lot easier on the eye, hopefully it’s as successful as lump it was at getting the required results.

So you are telling me Ismael never had you dribbling with the ball in training and you still ripped up the league?! Oh god... I do not want the 14th of August to come...