SlowerThanPlatt
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The members of the Sky Blue Trust have no faith in the current board members which makes it redundant.
Sky Blues Trust AGM (2 Viewers)
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The members of the Sky Blue Trust have no faith in the current board members which makes it redundant.
shmmeee
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My personal choice for fan representation would be some kind of membership with the club and a free vote on key issues (badge/name/etc). I don’t think you need the full on hierarchy of a talking shop, you just need a way to poll the fans en masse.
Something like the Trust where you pay a nominal fee and register, not sure how you’d stop opposing fans signing up en masse for the LOLs, but that would apply to anything and I doubt in reality it would be an issue.
Ideally there’d be some non profit that’s democratic and administers everything for the club and maybe owns the IP and grants the owners use of it like Chelsea have. But then you very quickly get back to a trust type situation. As soon as there’s meetings to attend it’ll be run by those with the most time.
Something like the Trust where you pay a nominal fee and register, not sure how you’d stop opposing fans signing up en masse for the LOLs, but that would apply to anything and I doubt in reality it would be an issue.
Ideally there’d be some non profit that’s democratic and administers everything for the club and maybe owns the IP and grants the owners use of it like Chelsea have. But then you very quickly get back to a trust type situation. As soon as there’s meetings to attend it’ll be run by those with the most time.
shmmeee
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And yet they keep getting elected.
This is all a bit “the Tories got less than 50% so aren’t legitimate”.
Sky Blue Pete
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You say that but media don’t agree
You say that but the fsa don’t agree
You say that but if governance changes and places key responsibilities on trusts then the government won’t agree
To some extent I agree though
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep no one elected last night and board spaces still unfilled
SlowerThanPlatt
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Which media Pete?
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Back in the day, when 25% of our shares were owned by fans... if you limited ownership to 25% max each individual, then at least fans would have a say, but major shareholders could collect together to drive things through if they really wanted. I don't think you'll ever get perfect, you just need to keep owners on their toes, and ensure they're as transparant as possible.
tbh even things like badges, I wouldn't necessarily run it on a vote. Ultimately that boils down to commercial, so the 'vote' is whether it helps sell or not and, of course, the fans of today may have a very different view to those of tomorrow.
I keep remembering the Football Manager type trial with Ebbsfleet. I joined that, saw the message board where everyone was voting for a monster budget to 'give it a go' that season. It didn't end well...
SlowerThanPlatt
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How many votes were made and how many were aware there was voting going on? Just by reading this thread communication is not a strong point
Nick
Administrator
So far there are multiple email addresses:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Continuity helps with email deliverability.
Nick
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And co-elected.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Agreed. I mean this is what I mentioned earlier, a membership scheme. You’re sent out a prospectus detailing the pros and cons of a key decision relating to Club culture and then send in a vote, the platform would be better than rocking up to the Albany club with 10 people.
then as I said have an independent arbiter who casts the final vote if there’s a disagreement with fans and club
shmmeee
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Again. This is like whining that someone got elected on a low turnout. In a democracy if low turnout helps your opponent your job is to get the vote out. Whining about it won’t change anything.
SlowerThanPlatt
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What I am saying is were members notified that an “election” was taking place so they could cast their vote? Or was it left to the 20 or so people who attend meetings?
shmmeee
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If they weren’t that would be a breach of the constitution. I’m not even a member but I got the following emails:
I’d imagine everyone on their mailing list got the same.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Problem is their mailing list isn’t great, I signed up at the Colly in 2013… no such emails received
shmmeee
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I mean clearly not as I quit the Trust ages ago and still get emails. I know they’ve changed systems a few times. But we’ve very quickly gone from “it’s a shadowy organisation that doesn’t tell everyone about meetings so they can maintain their iron grip” to “I gave them my email in a club and they lost it”
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Just checked, and my last email was inviting me to the 2020 AGM!
It says in it "Also if your details have changed please let us know so we can amend our records accordingly." Taking into account, how can you email them your changed email address if they're asking you at their old one...? I *didn't* email them at that point, but it appears their records have been amended at that stage, and I'm now wiped!
Sky Blue Pete
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Right, I've re-subscribed via their website. Confirmation on their website, but not via email... which suggests I can sign any bugger up I like for their newsletter...
Sky Blue Pete
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Me too
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Which in itself is a massive data breach, didn’t make that one known did they. Like I’ve never called them a shadowy organisation. Just that they ridicule opposing decisions, and generally have people who have ridiculously high opinions of themselves.
ultimately the argument on this thread stems from them potentially silly powers when realistically they don’t know who the members are or if they still have the data
Sky Blue Pete
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Better to focus on the future don’t you thinkPete, can you ask who it was from the FSA that came out (when it was supporter's direct) to help plan to "Doorstep" people with the Council's PR Company?
Nobody seems to answer
Sky Blue Pete
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I did and I meant it. Is he a fan of ccfc? What’s his link? He spoke well to be fair
Nick
Administrator
Are you just being naive now? It sounds like you are saying he is nothing to do with the Trust when you don't know about it?
Nick
Administrator
Good luck with that.
Grendel
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The future with Roger Ellis great
SlowerThanPlatt
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Who Mr Ellis? This is him
Rochdale grooming scandal report: Ex-council boss told to give back £76k golden handshake
Roger Ellis left his post as chief executive of Rochdale council in April last year, just weeks before a gang of men were jailed for exploiting vulnerable teenage girls for sex.
Sky Blue Pete
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No votes and the Secretary position and other board member roles are vacant
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I’ve been on now, and it can’t find my user data. I can sign up for it. But I need to print off a form and post it?
no option to join online
no option to join online
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I hope my milkman's a City fan...
Grendel
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Who Mr Ellis? This is him
Rochdale grooming scandal report: Ex-council boss told to give back £76k golden handshake
Roger Ellis left his post as chief executive of Rochdale council in April last year, just weeks before a gang of men were jailed for exploiting vulnerable teenage girls for sex.www.google.co.uk
CJ wasn’t sure it was the Rochdale guy
Poll: The trust - fit for purpose?
Don't come on here much anymore as not worth the hassle. Just want to point out that I am not on the Trust Board, however I go to meetings when I can and fully support the Sky Blue Trust and what they stand for. That's why I said Steve before CJ / Moz. What do they actually stand for? Nobody...
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
shmmeee
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Yeah their data processes are garbage. And I disagree with a lot of what they do (it’s why I’m not a member). I think other fans with better ideas should step up and run it. But clearly they’re not and until they do you can leave (maybe if I’m any example) or try and change that.
Anyway, spent far too long arguing about the Trust already. Hopefully we never need them as we never look like having changes to the club made against the fans will.
Sky Blue Pete
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You always have a dog about naivety. I know what I know and try to find out what I don’t
He was on the trust board
The trust nominated him for his fsa post
He was at the agm talking about that
Those is the facts now rather than patronising me tell me
Sky Blue Pete
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Do you really think it’s useful to hold grudges? I’m pretty sure Grace and Justin deserve a bit of good will