Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (178 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

96 deaths of those having positive test in the last 28 days. Wonder when Boris gets twitchy? They were probably all over 80 or already Ill though so it doesn’t really matter

 

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[Nick]

96 deaths of those having positive test in the last 28 days. Wonder when Boris gets twitchy? They were probably all over 80 or already I’ll though so it doesn’t really matter

Deaths FROM covid or just deaths where they were positive in the last 28 days?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Deaths FROM covid or just deaths where they were positive in the last 28 days?

Lol

 

[shmmeee]

Deaths FROM covid or just deaths where they were positive in the last 28 days?

Is it 2020 again already?

 

[David O'Day]

Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 or more capacity

Fans may be required to show proof of full vaccination to attend sports venues with capacities of about 20,000 or more by the end of September.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 or more capacity

Fans may be required to show proof of full vaccination to attend sports venues with capacities of about 20,000 or more by the end of September.

www.bbc.co.uk

We'll be exempt, then

 

[David O'Day]

We'll be exempt, then

3 games a season vaccine passport wonders

 

[Deleted member 5849]

3 games a season vaccine passport wonders

We'll just be fairweather vaccine passporters!

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

Fucking hell. Hope you're on the way to a full recovery mate.

All good now mate. Thanks

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

Really sorry to hear that mate, wishing you the best recovery.

Make the right decision for yourself going forwards, but if I were in your shoes I would do exactly the same thing.

All good mate. Thanks

 

[CCFCSteve]

I am getting pretty tired of this attempt to pin things more on younger people, whether that’s how you mean it to come across or not.

I’m not pining it on young people at all. Read through any of my historical posts and I’ve been clear the younger generations been disproportionately disadvantaged by the pandemic and lockdowns. My post was in response to people querying my comment about taking the vaccine is people’s own choice. The facts are the the facts though, I understand currently that 30% of 18-30 year olds are unvaccinated. I’ve said it’s their choice, and if I was a healthy 20 year old I might make the same one, but my preference would be for more to get vaccinated. It’s up to government/NHS/PHE to educate them as to why it’s best for them and others.

 

[skybluetony176]

96 deaths of those having positive test in the last 28 days. Wonder when Boris gets twitchy? They were probably all over 80 or already Ill though so it doesn’t really matter

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m not pining it on young people at all. Read through any of my historical posts and I’ve been clear the younger generations been disproportionately disadvantaged by the pandemic and lockdowns. My post was in response to people querying my comment about taking the vaccine is people’s own choice. The facts are the the facts though, I understand currently that 30% of 18-30 year olds are unvaccinated. I’ve said it’s their choice, and if I was a healthy 20 year old I might make the same one, but my preference would be for more to get vaccinated. It’s up to government/NHS/PHE to educate them as to why it’s best for them and others.

Considering that this group was the last to get invited and has been told for months that the AZ jab was a bigger risk to them than COVID, 70% take up and lots of cases of students queuing in their hundreds to get jabbed is impressive. The PM has in any case decided to mass infect all of them anyway so the point seems redundant now

 

[covmark]

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Yep, hilarious.

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[skybluetony176]

Yep, hilarious.

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I don’t actually think it’s supposed to be funny. It’s demonstrating the point that they were going to die anyway isn’t a defence.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Probably going to be a big increase in the figures today.

I'm going for around 65,000 covid infections in the UK for today. It is a bit danse macabre but can see today being where we hammer the top of the January wave by a good 10,000.

 

[Philosoraptor]

The higher the number of patients admitted to the hospital, the more activities will be limited by the Gov by the vaccine passport whenever that is due to start.

Whilst the vaccine has been good at cutting down the number of deaths and hospitalisations, if there isn't a slowing down of the infection rates over the next couple of weeks then their whole strategy is screwed.

 

[robbiekeane]

Whilst the vaccine has been good at cutting down the number of deaths and hospitalisations, if there isn't a slowing down of the infection rates over the next couple of weeks then their whole strategy is screwed.

Not sure I can see this happening for a bit. What’s the herd immunity %…supposed to be 75%~80% or something?

We are at 54% of total population double jabbed. 69% first jabbed. I guess when those second jabs roll out we will be close, when you take into account people who’ve hadthe virus too so get natural immunity.

5.5m total UK cases so far. Any way of separating out those from the vaccine numbers? I.e. how many of those 5.5m are not in the vax numbers captured above

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not sure I can see this happening for a bit. What’s the herd immunity %…supposed to be 75%~80% or something?

We are at 54% of total population double jabbed. 69% first jabbed. I guess when those second jabs roll out we will be close, when you take into account people who’ve hadthe virus too so get natural immunity.

5.5m total UK cases so far. Any way of separating out those from the vaccine numbers? I.e. how many of those 5.5m are not in the vax numbers captured above

I can’t get my head around why we are not certain of repeated infection

 

[skybluetony176]

Not sure I can see this happening for a bit. What’s the herd immunity %…supposed to be 75%~80% or something?

We are at 54% of total population double jabbed. 69% first jabbed. I guess when those second jabs roll out we will be close, when you take into account people who’ve hadthe virus too so get natural immunity.

5.5m total UK cases so far. Any way of separating out those from the vaccine numbers? I.e. how many of those 5.5m are not in the vax numbers captured above

There’s a growing alarm amongst scientists that the Delta variant might require 94% of the total population to acquire herd immunity. You’re wrong on the percentage of population jabbed and double jabbed too. It’s not a percentage of total population it’s the percentage of of over 18’s. Under 18’s account for about 21% of the U.K. population so it’s going to basically require 100% of the adult population to be double jabbed before we reach current estimates on herd immunity and we need to keep our fingers crossed that concerns regarding the delta variant and herd immunity turns out to be incorrect.

 

[MusicDating]

There’s a growing alarm amongst scientists that the Delta variant might require 94% of the total population to acquire herd immunity. You’re wrong on the percentage of population jabbed and double jabbed too. It’s not a percentage of total population it’s the percentage of of over 18’s. Under 18’s account for about 21% of the U.K. population so it’s going to basically require 100% of the adult population to be double jabbed before we reach current estimates on herd immunity and we need to keep our fingers crossed that concerns regarding the delta variant and herd immunity turns out to be incorrect.

How many under 18's do you think have already had it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can’t get my head around why we are not certain of repeated infection

We're not. The logic would be you build up a certain ability to fight it, however, so it becomes less of a threat when and if you catch it.

 

[skybluetony176]

How many under 18's do you think have already had it?

No idea. But given it’s estimated that you hold onto antibodies an average of 5-7 months after catching it it’s an inefficient way of achieving herd immunity as your basically relying on anyone who hasn’t had the vaccine catching Covid at least twice a year.

 

[robbiekeane]

You’re wrong on the percentage of population jabbed and double jabbed too. It’s not a percentage of total population it’s the percentage of of over 18’s. Under 18’s account for about 21% of the U.K.

How am I wrong?
46.3m first doses, 36.2m of which have had second doses.

UK population 66.7m.

Not really sure what you’re on about?

 

[robbiekeane]

I can’t get my head around why we are not certain of repeated infection

What do you mean?

 

[MusicDating]

No idea. But given it’s estimated that you hold onto antibodies an average of 5-7 months after catching it it’s an inefficient way of achieving herd immunity as your basically relying on anyone who hasn’t had the vaccine catching Covid at least twice a year.

So herd immunity is impossible as you'll always have a significant percentage whose antibodies have dropped off (be it jabbed or having caught it previously).

The current approach is the correct one then, let's just get on with it?

 

[COV]

What do you mean?

he means he can't get his head around why we are not certain of repeated infection m8

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What do you mean?

We don’t really know what happens and for how long when someone has had covid

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So herd immunity is impossible as you'll always have a significant percentage whose antibodies have dropped off (be it jabbed or having caught it previously).

The current approach is the correct one then, let's just get on with it?

But be aware of the consequences and seek to be cautious where appropriate masks indoor activity etc

 

[shmmeee]

We don’t really know what happens and for how long when someone has had covid

We must know though. We’ve definitely been studying it for over a year, as I’ve said my missus was having regular antibody tests in 2020 as part of a trial.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We must know though. We’ve definitely been studying it for over a year, as I’ve said my missus was having regular antibody tests in 2020 as part of a trial.

Have you seen anything? Anecdotally ive been told very few people catch it again and Boris self isolating even though he had it bad!!

Confused

 

[shmmeee]

Have you seen anything? Anecdotally ive been told very few people catch it again and Boris self isolating even though he had it bad!!

Confused

Nothing. It’s weird because it seems like vital info but I never see it mentioned. Maybe variants change everything? I am not a virologist.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nothing. It’s weird because it seems like vital info but I never see it mentioned. Maybe variants change everything? I am not a virologist.

Me neither

 

[shmmeee]

Found this from last month. Answer seems to be: definitely for 6-9 months, probably longer but we don’t have the data to know:

How long does covid-19 immunity last?

Many questions remain about both natural and vaccine induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Chris Baraniuk reviews what we know so far This is difficult to say definitively. When the body’s immune system responds to an infection, it isn’t always clear how long any immunity that develops will persist...

www.bmj.com

 

[fernandopartridge]

Found this from last month. Answer seems to be: definitely for 6-9 months, probably longer but we don’t have the data to know:

How long does covid-19 immunity last?

Many questions remain about both natural and vaccine induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Chris Baraniuk reviews what we know so far This is difficult to say definitively. When the body’s immune system responds to an infection, it isn’t always clear how long any immunity that develops will persist...

www.bmj.com

Some of the stuff I've read suggests a belief that while antibodies diminish over time, t-cell memory does not so subsequent infections will be less severe. Added to vaccines it should hopefully be relatively benign.