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Grendel

Grendel

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Sick Boy said:
Most people here are supportive of them.
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Reteurs claim tens of thousands hit the streets in a co-ordinated protest across the whole country?

Tear gas and riots in France?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. It currently feels like some under 30s dont think Covid is a big enough risk to them to have the vaccine. Although it doesn’t look like we’ll reach herd immunity levels with the vaccine, I’m hopeful that a combination of natural immunity/antibodies, plus the vaccines might get us up to the required level. You’d imagine the recent transmission amongst the kids/teenagers would help with this

Either way, even if we reach herd immunity levels, with international travel and large proportions of the world being unvaccinated, I think the virus will unfortunately be with us for a good while yet
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I think we’ll end up fully opening the vaccine to younger age groups soon. We’ll have to too achieve presumed heard immunity.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sick Boy said:
It’s a country of over 60 million people.
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But many will qualify for the pass or are under 18?

If you base protests by that measure no majority supported any protest in the history of time.
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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Grendel said:
But many will qualify for the pass or are under 18?

If you base protests by that measure no majority supported any protest in the history of time.
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The pass is given to those vaccinated 15 days after the first dose, those who have had covid with 6 months or who have a negative test within 48 hours can also get it.
Those who won’t qualify are those who won’t have it. I THINK under 12s don’t need it.
Personally, I think it’s to push those who are hesitant to get vaccinated, there’s been a big upsurge amongst those who haven’t had a first dose since it was announced.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You have focused on 30% who haven’t had it and not the 70% who have, which is pretty strong considering this group has been told certain vaccines are a bigger risk to them than the virus.
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I agree, I think 70% take up is very good for under 30s. I don’t think anyone is questioning that. The fact remains there’s still 30% in the younger age groups that remain unvaccinated. That’s their choice but I hope that maybe as much through anecdotal evidence (friends getting covid etc) as from scientific evidence, more younger adults will continue to get jabbed and those numbers improve
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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There’s also the small issue of global vaccination. As it stands less than a third of the world population has received one dose. We aren’t safe until everyone is safe, not just in this country but every country. We’ve already witnessed how a variant the other side of the world quickly changes the situation globally. There’s a long way to go yet.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
I agree, I think 70% take up is very good for under 30s. I don’t think anyone is questioning that. The fact remains there’s still 30% in the younger age groups that remain unvaccinated. That’s their choice but I hope that maybe as much through anecdotal evidence (friends getting covid etc) as from scientific evidence, more younger adults will continue to get jabbed and those numbers improve
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The blame lies less with them and more the terrible messaging in my view
 
COV

COV

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Sick Boy said:
It’s a country of over 60 million people.
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And we’ve just been shown footage of thousands on the streets in London campaigning against it- would have thought the ratio of normal : nutcase is fairly consistent across most countries? USA probably an exception 👍
 
COV

COV

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skybluetony176 said:
There’s also the small issue of global vaccination. As it stands less than a third of the world population has received one dose. We aren’t safe until everyone is safe, not just in this country but every country. We’ve already witnessed how a variant the other side of the world quickly changes the situation globally. There’s a long way to go yet.
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This is true- herd immunity means across the whole population who can contract it, not just a few countries
 
Grendel

Grendel

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COV said:
And we’ve just been shown footage of thousands on the streets in London campaigning against it- would have thought the ratio of normal : nutcase is fairly consistent across most countries? USA probably an exception 👍
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The U.K. campaign isn’t actually against that but anti anti vaccine type of rally and also I don’t think 160,000 were there
 
COV

COV

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Grendel said:
The U.K. campaign isn’t actually against that but anti anti vaccine type of rally and also I don’t think 160,000 were there
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There were big protests last week as well though?

Wouldn’t have thought that we’re too much different to most other countries in terms of idiots per 1,000
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Grendel said:
The U.K. campaign isn’t actually against that but anti anti vaccine type of rally and also I don’t think 160,000 were there
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It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.
 
COV

COV

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.
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I sometimes wonder if these people can actually make their mind up what they’re complaining about specifically, or they’re just generally pissed off and whatever anyone does with regard to covid they protest about it
 
Sick Boy

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COV said:
Is Italy getting the nonsense with people waving Trump flags around too?
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Not seen any but the moronic Salvini wore a Trump hat during the presidency race during interviews, even he ended up being vaccinated over the last couple of days.
 
COV

COV

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stupot07 said:
Literally what the fuck...




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Also- and it’s not a huge number, but still- in the clinical trials they counted everyone who had the placebo and not the actual vaccine as being genuinely fully vaccinated.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.
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I’m only quoting this and looking at these images

www.straitstimes.com

Protests across Italy against Covid-19 vaccine certificates

The Green Pass will be required from Aug 6 to enter cinemas, museums and restaurants, among other places. Read more at straitstimes.com.
www.straitstimes.com www.straitstimes.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.
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When we don’t like a restaurant we don’t complain to the manager, we just don’t go back
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sick Boy said:
Conveniently ignored the above posted opinion polls then.
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I don’t know why you get sensitive - I’m pointing out acts of this diet can’t be ignored. If 80 cities in the U.K. say had thousands protesting against the Johnson government and its handling of the pandemic you would just dismiss them as cranks?
 
COV

COV

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Grendel said:
Then of course there’s this

www.google.co.uk

French protesters against Covid-19 health restrictions clash with police in Paris

French anti-riot police fired teargas on Saturday as clashes erupted during protests in central Paris against COVID-19 restrictions and a vaccination campaign, television reported.
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk
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Not sure I see too much difference aside from the cultural ones which were mentioned above.

We had a woman asking for the names and personal details of healthcare staff be handed in so that they can go on trial and be executed. In London, in front of thousands.
 
Sick Boy

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Grendel said:
I don’t know why you get sensitive - I’m pointing out acts of this diet can’t be ignored. If 80 cities in the U.K. say had thousands protesting against the Johnson government and its handling of the pandemic you would just dismiss them as cranks?
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I'm not being sensitive but you're projecting the actions of thousands onto a country of 60 million.
It's like me trying to claim that this - Thousands of anti-vaccine protesters gather in London is somehow representative of widespread UK opinion, when it's not.
 
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COV

COV

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Grendel said:
I don’t know why you get sensitive - I’m pointing out acts of this diet can’t be ignored. If 80 cities in the U.K. say had thousands protesting against the Johnson government and its handling of the pandemic you would just dismiss them as cranks?
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It’s a fair point, however isn’t there an argument to say that protesting against a life-saving vaccine is much more indicative of a crank than protesting against a government who have clearly made several mistakes? One saves lives, the other has cost lives
 
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fernandopartridge said:
It represents about 1% of the total, it's a non story and Peston is an idiot
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Going forward, you'd assume it will increase as a %age however.

And FWIW, surely it's in government's interests to include it, as what it then does is make %age of infected people suffering seriously from Covid... lower? Going forward, if people get reinfected but do relatively OK, that's surely a very valuable thing to know, and also to see playing out?
 
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