21/22 Summer transfer mega-thread (43 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Any evidence for what you're asserting?

Same answer

So no then ok

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

ITT people spectacularly missing the point others are making.

Disagreeing or missing?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We scored 6 in a final meaningless game. Over the prior 45 only one team scoring less finished in the top 12 - scoring has been an issue and lack of quality forwards has been identified as a big problem clearly

We should have scored 6 against them at the Den if anything it just set the tally straight

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

So no then ok

Are you sure that we “chose” to sign Gyokeres over James and not that it wasn’t down to finances/the players personal preferences?

James started 19/23 games, Gyokeres 7/23

 

[Seb]

With a lot of players out of contract, there's the potential once the season starts that players may get desperate and need a club and could be a cheap backup.

 

[cc84cov]

With a lot of players out of contract, there's the potential once the season starts that players may get desperate and need a club and could be a cheap backup.

Nice profile picture sir

 

[Seb]

Nice profile picture sir

Thanks

 

[Great_Expectations]

Re the comments around the transfer signings not going to plan, missing out on targets, scrapping the barrel etc. How do we know that’s the case? Who’s to say Waghorn, Gyokeres, Maasten et al weren’t our first choice signings? Unless Better Days, or maybe one of the new ITK’s confirms otherwise, why look at it with pessimism.

Bright is the only one who probably wasn’t a target but could be inspired.

We sign JCS and we’ve got an Ostigard replacement.

We’ve replaced McCallum with a player who has the same, if not slightly more, experience (and a better pedigree) than McCallum did at the start of last season.

RWB is arguably stronger assuming Dabo is fit.

CM - people are looking back with rose tinted glasses; James was good but let’s see what a Sheaf and Hamer partnership can do.

Striker - significantly stronger.

Let’s see who else we bring in - I’m confident the squad will end up stronger.

 

[shmmeee]

Disagreeing or missing?

Missing. People are blathering on about Bakayoko who played 300 minutes all season when the point is our attack was poor because we had to use quantity rather than quality to plug the leaks on the pitch.

We had two strikers who if fit were on track to score as many as Waghorn on his best season. Maybe we needed another, I can accept that. But we’ve clearly spent the majority of the budget on two and still have the issues at the back that meant we couldn’t get out of our half half the time last season.

You’re saying that was Robins choice, if so then it’s a departure from his normally sensible transfer strategies of previous seasons.

 

[Bristol sky blue]

Something which will be key for our start this season is having a couple of forwards who can actually hold the ball up. Early last season it kept coming back at us far too quickly so our defence was under a lot of pressure (Walker makes good runs off the ball but it just isn't his game to hold the ball up). I don't know if it was deliberate or not to sign forwards rather than defenders first this window but so long as we do get a half decent pacy left sided CB I think we will be fine this year.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Something which will be key for our start this season is having a couple of forwards who can actually hold the ball up. Early last season it kept coming back at us far too quickly so our defence was under a lot of pressure (Walker makes good runs off the ball but it just isn't his game to hold the ball up). I don't know if it was deliberate or not to sign forwards rather than defenders first this window but so long as we do get a half decent pacy left sided CB I think we will be fine this year.

When we played 2 up top the ball stuck more because a) we weren’t playing out from the back as often and b) there was another body up there with a chance of getting the ball.

The bigger problem with either set up was the midfield not getting forward to support the strikers and leaving them to work minor miracles on their own. Hamer still seems totally off the boil also and can give away possession like nobody’s business.

 

[Esoterica]

Missing. People are blathering on about Bakayoko who played 300 minutes all season when the point is our attack was poor because we had to use quantity rather than quality to plug the leaks on the pitch.

We had two strikers who if fit were on track to score as many as Waghorn on his best season. Maybe we needed another, I can accept that. But we’ve clearly spent the majority of the budget on two and still have the issues at the back that meant we couldn’t get out of our half half the time last season.

You’re saying that was Robins choice, if so then it’s a departure from his normally sensible transfer strategies of previous seasons.

I think this season we will be trying to win the ball much higher up the pitch and we've signed the players to allow us to do that. I'm expecting us to play much more like the Brentford game. No nonsense at the back with Waghorn, Gyo, O'Hare, Hamer, Sheaf and the wing backs all pressing hard in the opposition's half.

 

[cc84cov]

Re the comments around the transfer signings not going to plan, missing out on targets, scrapping the barrel etc. How do we know that’s the case? Who’s to say Waghorn, Gyokeres, Maasten et al weren’t our first choice signings? Unless Better Days, or maybe one of the new ITK’s confirms otherwise, why look at it with pessimism.

Bright is the only one who probably wasn’t a target but could be inspired.

We sign JCS and we’ve got an Ostigard replacement.

We’ve replaced McCallum with a player who has the same, if not slightly more, experience (and a better pedigree) than McCallum did at the start of last season.

RWB is arguably stronger assuming Dabo is fit.

CM - people are looking back with rose tinted glasses; James was good but let’s see what a Sheaf and Hamer partnership can do.

Striker - significantly stronger.

Let’s see who else we bring in - I’m confident the squad will end up stronger.

Please let’s not play down how good Matt James was

 

[SkyBlueSam01]

Amidst all the screeching can I just say I'm absolutely fucking buzzing for Sunday...

Added some quality attacking players and get to see the Sky Blues in the flesh playing live football in one of the most competitive leagues in the world for the first time in a decade.

Just imagine seeing O'Hare stick one top bins and celebrate in front of actual real life fans in a stadium in Coventry where we belong

PUSB

 

[cc84cov]

I think this season we will be trying to win the ball much higher up the pitch and we've signed the players to allow us to do that. I'm expecting us to play much more like the Brentford game. No nonsense at the back with Waghorn, Gyo, O'Hare, Hamer, Sheaf and the wing backs all pressing hard in the opposition's half.

Didn’t see any of that high pressure stuff people think we are gonna play against wolves

 

[COV]

Disagreeing or missing?

They are disagreeing, not missing

Its blatantly obvious what he is saying, that nobody thinks we didn't need new attackers, but priorities should have been elsewhere. Which is a perfectly valid view.

Other people (I'm one of them) think that attackers were just as much of a priority because we failed to score in more games than almost every other side, and not having options up front completely dictated the way we had to play. I think thats also very valid.

Who's to say who's right or wrong, nobody will know for a fair few weeks/ months yet, but I don't think its any more than a discussion about how we're trying to develop the way we play and what players are needed to set about it. And I don't think anyone would dispute its been a weird window, its not been plain sailing.

One thing that gets lost in all this is that it seems to being taken for granted that Waghorn is a huge improvement- his scoring record was terrible last year- fair bit of pressure on him to deliver not just experience & nous but a few more goals than he scored last year.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn’t see any of that high pressure stuff people think we are gonna play against wolves

Got a lot of joy against them from well timed balls over the top for Gyo to chase.

 

[Esoterica]

Didn’t see any of that high pressure stuff people think we are gonna play against wolves

Like when Waghorn robbed their player on the corner of the box and won a penalty you mean? When they played a high back line we picked out the space over the top, when they dropped deep, we got the wingbacks high.

 

[COV]

I think this season we will be trying to win the ball much higher up the pitch and we've signed the players to allow us to do that. I'm expecting us to play much more like the Brentford game. No nonsense at the back with Waghorn, Gyo, O'Hare, Hamer, Sheaf and the wing backs all pressing hard in the opposition's half.

Someone said last night, Brighton I think, our best displays were when we were much more offensively minded.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Didn’t see any of that high pressure stuff people think we are gonna play against wolves

You must have been watching another game then

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Didn’t see any of that high pressure stuff people think we are gonna play against wolves

We tried but their midfield simply outclassed ours and played triangles around us, as they should

 

[Saddlebrains]

Lets be fair as long as we get in a CB or 2 and CM of decent quality we will be stronger than last year.

Ideally bin off the likes of Jobello Hillsner Allen etc to get some budget for a loan in Jan if need

 

[COV]

You must have been watching another game then

He had his eyes on 'Craine' the whole time

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think this season we will be trying to win the ball much higher up the pitch and we've signed the players to allow us to do that. I'm expecting us to play much more like the Brentford game. No nonsense at the back with Waghorn, Gyo, O'Hare, Hamer, Sheaf and the wing backs all pressing hard in the opposition's half.

Yes, the same aggressive style we adopted from the Rotherham game onwards

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[fernandopartridge]

Didn’t see any of that high pressure stuff people think we are gonna play against wolves

It was definitely there, we won a penalty from it.

Wolves co commentator mentioned it as well. We wouldn't play at the highest intensity in a pre season friendly mind.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

They are disagreeing, not missing

Its blatantly obvious what he is saying, that nobody thinks we didn't need new attackers, but priorities should have been elsewhere. Which is a perfectly valid view.

Other people (I'm one of them) think that attackers were just as much of a priority because we failed to score in more games than almost every other side, and not having options up front completely dictated the way we had to play. I think thats also very valid.

Who's to say who's right or wrong, nobody will know for a fair few weeks/ months yet, but I don't think its any more than a discussion about how we're trying to develop the way we play and what players are needed to set about it.

One thing that gets lost in all this is that it seems to being taken for granted that Waghorn is a huge improvement- his scoring record was terrible last year- fair bit of pressure on him to deliver not just experience & nous but a few more goals than he scored last year.

If you cast your mind back to the Reading home game. We won a very nice game then narrowly lost to Forest because of Max’s last minute insanity and again at Watford from a corner and O’Hare playing rush keeper. International break happens and MR decides the antidote is to completely stodge the midfield to protect the defence. Doing that we sacrificed any real attacking intent but against generally weaker sides.

Waghorn is 100% an upgrade on Biamou and it was needed.

 

[COV]

I think this season we will be trying to win the ball much higher up the pitch and we've signed the players to allow us to do that. I'm expecting us to play much more like the Brentford game. No nonsense at the back with Waghorn, Gyo, O'Hare, Hamer, Sheaf and the wing backs all pressing hard in the opposition's half.

Hard to base off one game v Traore, but Maatsen looked way better going forward than defensively.

 

[Great_Expectations]

Please let’s not play down how good Matt James was

Feel free to check my history, I rated him and could see the impact he had while half the forum thought he was bang average.

My point remains though, he wasn’t a world beater, he wouldn’t single handedly win your games. He kept the ball moving, could pick a pass when needed and was positionally smart. They aren’t especially unique attributes, and in my view we have someone who has all those traits, but they’re overshadowed by the mistakes he’s makes - mistakes I expect will disappear this year.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Missing. People are blathering on about Bakayoko who played 300 minutes all season when the point is our attack was poor because we had to use quantity rather than quality to plug the leaks on the pitch.

We had two strikers who if fit were on track to score as many as Waghorn on his best season. Maybe we needed another, I can accept that. But we’ve clearly spent the majority of the budget on two and still have the issues at the back that meant we couldn’t get out of our half half the time last season.

You’re saying that was Robins choice, if so then it’s a departure from his normally sensible transfer strategies of previous seasons.

Only waghorn is a departure and possibly Moore

I completely take your point about requiring a replacement for osti - there will be one. We also probably need another permanent signing to replace mcfad and we could do with another in cm. I think what I’m saying I agree with you that defence will miss osti - we don’t know how hard we’ve tried to replace him, I don’t think it works that you focus on one area and forget the others but it takes longer to get one player or one position.

I don’t know if robins and boddy and fisher and seppalla have fallen out. I suspect we’d never know.
Facts are boddy has said Covid is a huge challenge
Robins wants 3 more in

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

Amidst all the screeching can I just say I'm absolutely fucking buzzing for Sunday...

Added some quality attacking players and get to see the Sky Blues in the flesh playing live football in one of the most competitive leagues in the world for the first time in a decade.

Just imagine seeing O'Hare stick one top bins and celebrate in front of actual real life fans in a stadium in Coventry where we belong

PUSB

100% agreed.

The concerns about recruitment this time around have been articulately expressed but it's time to back the team and Robins.

So park the pessimism lads ahead of the new season - review again when we are 10 games in and know more about where we are in terms of league position and signings.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

100% agreed.

The concerns about recruitment this time around have been articulately expressed but it's time to back the team and Robins.

So park the pessimism lads ahead of the new season - review again when we are 10 games in and know more about where we are in terms of league position and signings.

10 games? I’m waiting for the first misplaced pass on Sunday

 

[kg82]

10 games? I’m waiting for the first misplaced pass on Sunday

You joke, but you know!

 

[skybluegod]

Lets be fair as long as we get in a CB or 2 and CM of decent quality we will be stronger than last year.

Ideally bin off the likes of Jobello Hillsner Allen etc to get some budget for a loan in Jan if need

Wishful thinking to think Allen is going anywhere unless we receive a decent offer. Robins clearly has him in his plans for the season.

He's already said the only people he's actively shipping out are those without squad numbers.

 

[shmmeee]

Only waghorn is a departure and possibly Moore

I completely take your point about requiring a replacement for osti - there will be one. We also probably need another permanent signing to replace mcfad and we could do with another in cm. I think what I’m saying I agree with you that defence will miss osti - we don’t know how hard we’ve tried to replace him, I don’t think it works that you focus on one area and forget the others but it takes longer to get one player or one position.

I don’t know if robins and boddy and fisher and seppalla have fallen out. I suspect we’d never know.
Facts are boddy has said Covid is a huge challenge
Robins wants 3 more in

Even if we signed Osti we’d be the same team that needed 9 defensive players on the pitch to stop leaking goals.

I think going forward we have much more talent this season. Maatsen looks better in the final third than McCallum, Sheaf is much more progressive than Kelly, a fit Dabo is a threat. But defensively Maatsen looks like a downgrade, our main CB is a year older, and our keeper doesn’t inspire confidence IMO. So I don’t see how we’re going to utilise this new found attacking talent when we’ll need them all behind the ball protecting the back line.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Even if we signed Osti we’d be the same team that needed 9 defensive players on the pitch to stop leaking goals.

I think going forward we have much more talent this season. Maatsen looks better in the final third than McCallum, Sheaf is much more progressive than Kelly, a fit Dabo is a threat. But defensively Maatsen looks like a downgrade, our main CB is a year older, and our keeper doesn’t inspire confidence IMO. So I don’t see how we’re going to utilise this new found attacking talent when we’ll need them all behind the ball protecting the back line.

Are you not taking any confidence from having a seasons experience in the league for rose hyam and Dabo?