Nick
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Common sense too by the looks of it.
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Common sense too by the looks of it.
skybluetony176
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Same thing isn’t it.
Nick
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Depends if it allows you to cry over brexit I guess.
I said earlier on that clearly the media coverage helps to spread the panic buying, but that’s because of self-centred arseholes panicking in response to their reporting, not because the media is deliberately stirring it up. If you want someone to blame, blame the jerry can mob, or the authorities who allowed this to snowball - even if it was some media conspiracy (ratings and clicks, right?) it can’t come out of thin air.
Anyway, you didn’t answer my question - would you rather the media just ignored stories like this, just in case they escalate into something bigger?
chiefdave
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There was nothing wrong with the original report. It was factually accurate and had quotes from BP explaining exactly what was happening and what the cause was.
You can't stop the media report things because of how people react. If you go down that route who decides what can and can't be reported?
Nick
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The media are deliberately stirring it up. Everywhere you look it's now just showing long queues, quick get the reporters down to show pictures of people. Let's interview Sharon who has been waiting 18 hours to get fuel she didn't even need.
Is it really big news that a handful of BP garages had to close? Enough to try and whip up mass hysteria? I doubt it is.
Nick
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Even ITV this morning were reporting it as a "petrol shortage" and "petrol emergency".
Of course things are whipped up. Obviously the telegraph are at it as well, get the scary headlines out.
I have been to petrol stations before now and before Brexit and they haven't had any....shock.
shmmeee
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Bloke on R4 was good this morning. Asked what should be done and he basically said “media need to calm down and stop trying to whip up panic.”
Who in the media is deliberately whipping it up, and to what end?
If you’d rather the media just stayed quiet and didn’t risk causing problems then you can just come out and say it - plenty of Russians and Chinese people would agree with you.
Nick
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Common sense then.
Nick
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I have just given examples.
Is it big national news that a handful of petrol stations have run out of fuel? Enough to try and get the mass hysteria going? It's hardly censorship is it. It is pretty obvious to anybody with eyes how the media are trying to whip things up.
"Petrol Station Chaos"
"Tesco, Morrisons, BP, Shell, Texaco, Esso issue statements over fuel crisis"
"Fuel supply crisis live: Up to 90% of some brands 'running dry"
It's amazing how fucking thick people get when they can cry about Brexit.
Grendel
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Less than 10 had to close out of 1,200 wasn’t it? Is that newsworthy at all? Also the headline is the headline no one reads the detail
There is no doubt Brexit has exacerbated a hgv driver shortage but people need to look at the numbers.
They reckon around 10k EU drivers returned to their countries during pandemic/due to Brexit and not returned. This is out of around 270-280k hgv drivers employed in U.K.
As of late July the DVLA still had a backlog of 25k test passes to process. There is also a backlog of 30-40k of drivers waiting to take tests due to backlog from pandemic. There are drivers who have been complaining about poor pay and conditions for years who have so far refused to come back into sector and an issue with ageing workforce so some retire/can’t do work and haven’t been replaced due to above.
The media and public have then whipped this up to make a bad situation much worse. Industries also want government to relax visa rules to replace labour and keep a lid on wage inflation.
The government had the opportunity to get on top of the driver shortage earlier in the year but seemed to think it would somehow resolve itself..not sure how but unless they addressed some or all of the above quickly, it was never going to be resolved. Poor
They reckon around 10k EU drivers returned to their countries during pandemic/due to Brexit and not returned. This is out of around 270-280k hgv drivers employed in U.K.
As of late July the DVLA still had a backlog of 25k test passes to process. There is also a backlog of 30-40k of drivers waiting to take tests due to backlog from pandemic. There are drivers who have been complaining about poor pay and conditions for years who have so far refused to come back into sector and an issue with ageing workforce so some retire/can’t do work and haven’t been replaced due to above.
The media and public have then whipped this up to make a bad situation much worse. Industries also want government to relax visa rules to replace labour and keep a lid on wage inflation.
The government had the opportunity to get on top of the driver shortage earlier in the year but seemed to think it would somehow resolve itself..not sure how but unless they addressed some or all of the above quickly, it was never going to be resolved. Poor
yeah, I think it was 100 out of 1200 so not a major issue. It was then leaked/briefed to the media. Whether they wanted to force prices up or just get government to address driver shortage (which needed to happen to be fair), or a bit of both. It’s worked on both fronts but there’s collateral damage
Nick
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Yeah but people aren't bothered as they get to just cry about Brexit and blame "Brexiteers" that they have to queue up for fuel and the world is ending and we are all going to die.
Ian1779
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And the government are happy for it to carry on being a frenzy. If they weren’t it would have been pulled from the airwaves.
Nick
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Can't be too hard to process them, just get some temps in to clear the backlog rather than paying pricks to sit at home for months doing nothing.
Those headlines are all accurate. What should they have read instead? “Nothing to see here”?
Still haven’t explained why the entire national media has united across party lines to spark a fuel panic - I guess they just really, really wanted those clicks.
It’s clearly newsworthy - does it happen often? If you’re right, presumably the public would have yawned and moved on. Did they?
Not sure why the media should take the blame for printing articles which no-one apparently even read.
skybluetony176
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Or the need to insulate homes.
Nick
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Have you never been to a petrol station before now and it has had no fuel?
They aren't accurate though are they? There is no fuel crisis? There is enough fuel to go around.
Are you really this thick? As I said, you mention a sniff of Brexit and people lose any logic they might have had in the first place.
Nick
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Plenty of companies about to insulate your home if it needs doing.
It's not something to cry about.
skybluetony176
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Stop crying about it then. The only one frothing at the mouth over that is you.
Also worth pointing out that the building industry has shortage of certain materials at the moment, insulation being one of them so yes there might be companies who can do it, doesn’t mean they have the materials to do it, or the staff for that matter too as there’s also a labour shortage in the construction industry.
Nick
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I haven't cried over it? If I want my home insulating I will get it done.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Why don't these "insulate britain" people actulaly target the issue? Go and blockade all of the new build sites from Redrow, Taylor Wimpy, Barratts......stop them building over-priced poor quality shite designed housing.....
Its obscence that these new builds are still being thrown up with no mandatory solar/heat-pump/grey water systems installed.......
The situation is clearly chaotic - reasonable people can disagree on whether it’s a crisis (I think it’s fair enough to call it that), but if you feel strongly then I’m sure you can fire up the Points of View complaints again. If you’re content with the way things are being handled and happier not learning about any problems in the works then that’s great - I’m sure the government will be very happy to hear that. Everything is fine.
I haven’t mentioned Brexit at all btw.
skybluetony176
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You started a thread on it. Like I said there’s a material and labour shortage in the construction industry so that might not be as simple as you think.
Nick
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Because they are thick as fuck and have people like Tony fawning over them because they think they can whinge about Brexit some more.
Nick
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Did I? I started a thread about people running onto the Motorway.
If I get to the point I am going to cry over my house being insulated I will get it done or put on more clothes.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
New homes are built to a high spec when it comes to insulation. They’re not the problem, it’s existing older homes that are the issue.
Nick
Administrator
Yes, it is chaotic now because of how it is being whipped up. Do you still struggle to understand that?
There is no risk of there being no fuel, there is plenty of petrol and diesel but while people are rushing out to fill any container they can then garages will run out until they can get another delivery. It's common sense.
skybluetony176
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A) I’m intelligent enough to know that new homes aren’t the issue.
B) Laughing at you frothing from the mouth about them while accusing others of being mouth frothers is hardly fawning over them.
C) insulating homes is about government policy.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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If its specifically about insulation then maybe......but building a load of new homes full of moribund technologies is fucknig stupid.....these new homes willbe old homes soon enough.....all fitted with gas boilers, no solar & still flushing drinknig water straight down the drain......
Their "protest" would be far better served trying to shape the future as opposed to trying to convince a few grannies to lob some kingspan in the loft....
They didn’t whip it up - they reported what was happening and people chose how to respond. Now it’s chaotic and they’re reporting it as such.
Do you get angry with Shefali when she forecasts rain at the weekend as well? Whipping up thunderstorms, all for clicks probably.
Nick
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A) I haven't mentioned new homes, have I?
B) I haven't frothed at the mouth, I have literally said get the cunts off the motorway. You only come on here to post about Brexit and post memes about politics.
C) Isn't it possible for people to get their own homes insulated now?