CET: Dublin sad to see city in L1 (8 Viewers)

[Astute]

If he didn't want to leave CCFC, why did he REFUSE to play for us despite still being contracted? If it was such a wrench, he certainly wouldn't have had the gumption to come back and rub our noses in it over a fine he could pay with his loose change.

Contracted for one more day. I have said yet again it was not the right thing to do, but mistakes are made in life.

 

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[Astute]

But Eastwood is quite a different example. Maybe other managers would have still picked him? Dion was picked, and refused to play. Freddy wasn't selected.

Because he didn't give a sh!t about us from the moment he joined us. Jist the same as before he came to us. Remember we couldn't have him on loan? We would have seen it for ourselves before signing him.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Dublin's a CCFC legend. No criticism is warranted - his accomplishments FAR outweigh the negatives - especially without all the facts to hand (i.e. Senor Richardson).

 

[Real]

Fatwood......

You'd actually have a point if there were naive supporters out there claiming he is a City legend.

 

[Macca]

We worship no hopers, make people legends who score a handful of goals yet slag off a legend. We claim that we hate BR but the support him over a guy who sweated blood for the club. Fucked up bunch

 

[Houchens Head]

I do think the word legend is overstated. That is for sure.

Dublin was an excellent player beyond doubt. It was also clear at the end that the chairman wanted him out. Relations were strained. Blackburn came in and Dublin did not want it - relationships got worse. So Villa came in and that suited far better and is the reason I suspect for the nonsense I am reading this morning.

Dublin just prior to leaving signed a new contract therefore securing the club a large fee when he left. Now how many modern day legends do we see this from. There was Westwood, well I want to sign but I will wait and see (yes of course Kieron), Marlon King and his holiday blues (but he is a man of impeccable character so let's give him the benefit of the doubt) and of course the fiercely loyal Richard Keogh driven not by motives of extra money I am sure but a desire to be closer to his favourite cable car ride in the Peak District.

No one knows what really happened at the end and who cares? This nonsense about supporters giving their right arm to play for Coventry is missing the point and not because amputees generally do not make great players. It is missing the point as it assumes emotion not impartial business thought. Players are employees no more no less. Two weeks ago we had a major project at work and the key stakeholder was actually leaving the company that week. Guess what he was off sick. It left us with a headache we laughed and moved on.

Off the pitch in business dealings the perfect gentleman - you almost had to persuade him to take what he deserved unlike others of far less stature.

So the word legend is over used. It should be reserved for a select few. Those who stood out, those who made a difference, those that were special.

It should be reserved for the likes of Dion Dublin.

It's not often I agree with what you say Grendel, but great post!

 

[Big Mo]

To suggest Eastwood is better as he didn't refuse to play is laughable, refusing to get fit is wilfully making himself unavailable.

Whatever went on, and I personally don't know the facts, Dion is the best player I've ever seen play for the club and we'd have been down much sooner without him. Whatever circumstances he left under to me he will go down in our recent history as one of our most important players and I for one appreciate what he did for us.

 

[Martin180]

Just a question but isnt Dion one of only a handful of players to score 100 goals in the PL ?

For me not the best striker i have seen in sky blue but at the very top as a goalscorer

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

We worship no hopers, make people legends who score a handful of goals yet slag off a legend. We claim that we hate BR but the support him over a guy who sweated blood for the club. Fucked up bunch

Sweated blood my arse, the arrogant prick refused to play for the club, and now had the gall to expect us to love him & forget that he took us to court! Fucked up apologists.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Sweated blood my arse

You lose any credibility if you deny that Dublin gave his wholehearted effort during his time at CCFC.

the arrogant prick refused to play for the club

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to say - hypothetically of course - that the chairman determined that he was going to profit from his sale, attempted to unload him to Team A without telling the player that Team B had made a counter-bid that was sufficient to activate his release clause, and that the player chose to determine his own destiny rather than be treated as a pawn of El Presidente.

and now had the gall to expect us to love him & forget that he took us to court! Fucked up apologists.

He didn't take "us" to court, he took the club to court. Mega difference, especially considering the different specimens who have run the club.

It's some kind of crazy world when you can give unquestioning support to a manager who led the club to relegation, yet trounce the man who single-handedly kept us in the PL for several years.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I don't give unquestioning support in the slightest. If you think that, you haven't read anything I've said pre-season..

 

[Astute]

I am just so glad to see that some people can't forgive and forget 1 moment in 4 1/2 years of 100% effort for our club when the full facts are not known, and the facts that are not known are to do with a chairman that helped to destroy our club as we knew it. A chairman that I have never heard anyone have a good word about. 1 moment that happened after he had been sold but was waiting to sign the paperwork.

Do you think Richardson was blameless for Dion not playing that game? Oh yes, just remembered he was under contract for one more day so it was all the fault of Dion :facepalm: One moment in his whole career that made him a traitor. A traitor that had already been sold.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I'll keep saying that it's the mans arrogance that most sticks in the craw, not that he wasn't a great player for us. He says 99.9% of us understand; well we don't. He hopes we can all conveniently forget-indeed, he assumes in his arrogance that we all have. Under any circumstances, it is not acceptable to refuse to pull on the shirt when fit when you play for that team. End of. To then re-write history & pretend that it never happened & he is still unanimously adored is really rubbing it in. A lot of people invoke Richardson to defend the indefensible, but it really doesn't wash.

 

[Macca]

I think I m close to making a get a life it's only football type comment.

Marlon Kings sins were soon forgotten

 

[Macca]

Mind you he only knocked a bird about rather than "gasp" refuse to play one game

 

[Real]

I am just so glad to see that some people can't forgive and forget 1 moment in 4 1/2 years of 100% effort for our club when the full facts are not known, and the facts that are not known are to do with a chairman that helped to destroy our club as we knew it. A chairman that I have never heard anyone have a good word about. 1 moment that happened after he had been sold but was waiting to sign the paperwork.

Do you think Richardson was blameless for Dion not playing that game? Oh yes, just remembered he was under contract for one more day so it was all the fault of Dion :facepalm: One moment in his whole career that made him a traitor. A traitor that had already been sold.

I have never disliked Dion enough that I have to forgive anything in the 1st place. He was a good servant to the club and he was very well paid as a result. My bone of contention is that he is a City "legend". I can't have a man who during his City career gave a two fingered salute to the supporters (the same supporters no doubt who now say he is a legend) and the fact that our Captain and best paid player refused to play. You can make all the excuses up you like, but for me, refusing to play whilst contracted to the club and being paid a huge amount in wages left a sour taste.

 

[Real]

I think I m close to making a get a life it's only football type comment.

Marlon Kings sins were soon forgotten

Mind you he only knocked a bird about rather than "gasp" refuse to play one game

Is anybody suggesting King is a City legend? That Eastwood is a City legend? No, so to mention these players has no relevance other than to deflect away from the debate.

 

[Astute]

I am not making excuses for him. What I have said are my views on the matter. I am not alone on my views.

If the fallout was not with Richardson then I would view things differently. To me it comes down to who was at fault for the way things ended up. A player that was very loyal other than one game, or Richardson that was and still is trusted by nobody. I can't vilify a player when I don't know the facts, but do know the 2 people that were involved.

Legend is a term used for him by me as he is one of the best players we have ever had. Nobody can seriously say any different. It is just a shame how things ended up, but still a legend in my eyes and many others. Not a problem to me if you don't agree. We all have opinions that differ.

 

[Grendel]

I have never disliked Dion enough that I have to forgive anything in the 1st place. He was a good servant to the club and he was very well paid as a result. My bone of contention is that he is a City "legend". I can't have a man who during his City career gave a two fingered salute to the supporters (the same supporters no doubt who now say he is a legend) and the fact that our Captain and best paid player refused to play. You can make all the excuses up you like, but for me, refusing to play whilst contracted to the club and being paid a huge amount in wages left a sour taste.

But you have used the over hyped term "legend" to describe John Hartson have you not?

 

[Grendel]

I'll keep saying that it's the mans arrogance that most sticks in the craw, not that he wasn't a great player for us. He says 99.9% of us understand; well we don't. He hopes we can all conveniently forget-indeed, he assumes in his arrogance that we all have. Under any circumstances, it is not acceptable to refuse to pull on the shirt when fit when you play for that team. End of. To then re-write history & pretend that it never happened & he is still unanimously adored is really rubbing it in. A lot of people invoke Richardson to defend the indefensible, but it really doesn't wash.

Arrogance is not I term I would use and when you say forgive in what context is this referring to? In truth the biggest sin in most peoples eyes was joining a rival football club. People may cite other reasons but that is the main reason for the original animosity. The fans on here seem indeed to be rewriting history to find an additional reason to be negative as to still have anger at joining Aston Villa would seem childish, pathetic and stupid - which it is and it indeed was then.

 

[Macca]

Is anybody suggesting King is a City legend? That Eastwood is a City legend? No, so to mention these players has no relevance other than to deflect away from the debate.

Not really. Comparison is.....

King nasty piece of work came a scored a few goals for a short period of time everyone bummed him. Dion several years outstanding service, one mistake and he s the devil. CCFC. Hate success, worship failure

 

[LastGarrison]

Not really. Comparison is.....

King nasty piece of work came a scored a few goals for a short period of time everyone bummed him. Dion several years outstanding service, one mistake and he s the devil. CCFC. Hate success, worship failure

No-one is saying he's the devil. No-one is saying he was shit. In fact everyone on this thread agrees what a good player he was for us. However, in mine, and others eyes, a player who refused to play for the club, the club that paid him significant wages cannot be classed as a "legend".

 

[Astute]

And in my eyes and many others we see things slightly different. Being forced out of our club and falling out with the person that putting it politely, was disiked and still is by the vast majority, does not take away from what he did for us.

I go on principles. Maybe Dion does, and decided he wouldn't play for our chairman again.

 

[LastGarrison]

And that's what these boards are all about....





Ooohhhhh Dion Dublin, he went to Aston Villa and he broke his neck. Good.

 

[Real]

But you have used the over hyped term "legend" to describe John Hartson have you not?

Yes, because Hartson was twice the player Dion was and had we have signed him sooner I've no doubt we would have stayed up. As good as Dion was when he decided to play, he wasn't in Hartson's league.

 

[Real]

Not really. Comparison is.....

King nasty piece of work came a scored a few goals for a short period of time everyone bummed him. Dion several years outstanding service, one mistake and he s the devil. CCFC. Hate success, worship failure

I don't think Dion is the devil. That's you trying to think for others because they don't share your opinion. He was a good servant for us, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Real]

And in my eyes and many others we see things slightly different. Being forced out of our club and falling out with the person that putting it politely, was disiked and still is by the vast majority, does not take away from what he did for us.

I go on principles. Maybe Dion does, and decided he wouldn't play for our chairman again.

His principles didn't stop him taking 4 years wages playing for the very same chairman you then say he became all principled about?

 

[Grendel]

Yes, because Hartson was twice the player Dion was and had we have signed him sooner I've no doubt we would have stayed up. As good as Dion was when he decided to play, he wasn't in Hartson's league.

Thats given me a right good laugh - thanks for that.

 

[Astute]

I don't think Dion is the devil. That's you trying to think for others because they don't share your opinion. He was a good servant for us, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks for that. At least I know you are on a windup now.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Arrogance is not I term I would use and when you say forgive in what context is this referring to? In truth the biggest sin in most peoples eyes was joining a rival football club. People may cite other reasons but that is the main reason for the original animosity. The fans on here seem indeed to be rewriting history to find an additional reason to be negative as to still have anger at joining Aston Villa would seem childish, pathetic and stupid - which it is and it indeed was then.

He's arrogant in his interview when he assumes we all forgive him-indeed he doesn't think there's even anything to forgive, he uses the word "understand". He was very smug when he strode up to the press box a few seasons back and walked a few steps away from me-the crowd nearly turned, but a few people applauded as he waved at the fans like a conquering Roman Emperor. A long way off 99.9% clapped though! And when my mate met him at a music festival, he said he was very arrogant and blatantly just fucked my mate off. He has time for the public in big crowds but not in person, it seems. Very P.R. aware.

Him leaving for Villa was bloody annoying, but rather than hate him for that, I do greatly resent the way he tapped-up George!


In general, "99.9%" of the arguments on here as to why he is a legend seem to be by changing the subject. The key fact is that he refused to play for the club whilst skipper. For that reason alone, he is not a City Legend in my eyes. No Legend would ever refuse to play for the club. Try to separate the man from the footballer. I am in no way criticising his ability as a footballer.

 

[Grendel]

Thanks for that. At least I know you are on a windup now.

He also has Carlton Palmer in his all time Coventry x1

 

[torchomatic]

Agree, NL. That's the crux of it. No player should refuse to play, whether he is captain or not, scored a hatful of goals or not. Youth team players to seasoned pros should respect their fans and the shirt they wear. I wonder if he would refund my ticket and travelling expenses for that Luton game. It's a matter of principle, you know.

 

[Astute]

He also has Carlton Palmer in his all time Coventry x1

You on the windup as well?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

He also has Carlton Palmer in his all time Coventry x1

Now that's changing the subject! I love how most points you make are by trying to destroy the other persons credibility and not actually addressing the matter in hand.

 

[Astute]

Now that's changing the subject! I love how most points you make are by trying to destroy the other persons credibility and not actually addressing the matter in hand.

You're right there. Certainly does destroy any credibility