I'mARealWizard
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He's showing manners, decency and respect.
Which anyone who is socially developed would recognise.
Bad language at City games (15 Viewers)
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He's showing manners, decency and respect.
Which anyone who is socially developed would recognise.
Grendel
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Yes I agree with all of that. It's not acceptable and certainly not when children are around.
Liam Ccfc Varney
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Like last season we had appauling referee's and we chanted "Shit refs we always get the shit refs"!
LastGarrison
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Oh here he comes old spunky bum with his holier than thou attitude.
I'mARealWizard
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Holier than thou?
Seriously?
If you are in a private place, then feel free to behave and use your limited vocabulary as much as you like.
When you engage with other people in public places, expect to behave in a manner that is conducive to a harmonious and functioning society.
People don't have the right to display vulgar,aggressive and offensive characteristics because someone didn't make a decent cross.
Seriously, a society is about people pulling together and being considerate to others to enhance their shared environment.
Not people saying 'I don't give a fuck about others so I'll act anyway I choose'.
You have no reason to expect to be allowed to conduct yourself in this manner. It certainly isn't a right of any sort.
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Jesus I bet your kids love you.
I'mARealWizard
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Sure, feel free to make a comment about me rather than the issues I've raised.
No point arguing with you because you think you're completely 100% right and I'm not in the mood for going in circles.
Swearing is a common occurrence in football and with the fan base football clubs have especially in the lower leagues your lectures on society aren't gunna change a thing so whatever. Deal with it or go watch the rugby.
fernandopartridge
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Go and watch rugby union then you sanctimonious stoat.
I'mARealWizard
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Of course I think that I'm right. As do you.
It's not arguing. It's putting across your point of view and challenging what someone else thinks on a matter. It's called discussion.
But if you don't have anything to come back with, that's cool. No need to be so snippety.
Rugby was equally as bad as football, yet the authorities cleared that up.
I'm just wondering where you draw the line. Is it ok to swear and curse when you go to a gig and don't like the songs being played? Or if you go to the theatre? Or a stand-up comedian and start heckling him or her? :thinking about:
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe
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Swearing is a useful adjective, particularly when passions are high. If you disapprove or feel it is used to excess (which is obviously sometimes the case) and are by yourself or with mates, move along. Live and let live. If you are with children, ask the person concerned if he wouldn't mind toning it down a bit in a polite and reasoned manner (reading the situation... if it looks incendiary, it might be easier to move seats). Have a think and use some of your social and linguistic prowess to come to a reasonable solution. I would imagine 98 out of 100 people you asked would apologise where kids are concerned and the vast majority would mumble an apology (depending on how the game and the related passions were faring) if you were sat by yourself. Don't sit there sighing and harrumphing and let it piss you off until you get home and write a strongly worded letter to the CET which is never published.
DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe
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* shit is a fun word too, c**t
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I don't swear at football you're making assumptions haha I'm just aware that I have no right to tell people what they should or shouldn't be doing with grey words like swearing.
They're Grey words used to express emotion rather than personal attacks in my opinion, you seem to get devastated at the idea somebody said the C word or F word, to me they just don't register as anything that vary from any other word. It's when people start actually using personal attacks where I draw the line, imagine somebody trying to start a chant to Lampard about his dead mother, thats personal, not calling him a fucking twat when he scores against you.
As far as the child argument goes I'm sure the parents are well aware of the common atmospheres at football matches and if they're really shocked at somebody swearing in front of their special unique little snowflake they shouldn't of taken them to the football anyway.
I'mARealWizard
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Nonsense on stilts.
In a public place, people don't have a right to be offensive. Swearing isn't a grey area. It's an expected norm that you don't use offensive language in front of people you don't know. You wouldn't swear in front of a doctor, in court, in church, in office spaces, to your parents, to the teachers of your children...
So why should some people deem it suitable to be shouting it out loud in a public arena?
And why should people be deterred from attending a football game because of the inconsiderate lowest common denominators? Whether they take children or not?
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But they do have a right to because they live in a free country... And you're again making assumptions that people don't swear in other public places... Why do you find it hard to believe that swearing is a casual thing in todays society that you keep talking about? Why are you so fabulously offended by the fact that people use words you don't like? In places you deem unacceptable?
Theres lowest common denominators in most things not just the football matches. If I went to a Dr Dre concert I'm fairly knowledgeable on the fact that the majority of people there will be doing Weed which I don't like but I'd put up with it because thats just the way it is and its the sort of thing that attracts those sorts of people. Football attracts a largely Male audience with a lot of testosterone who enjoy letting their hair down via shouting and alcohol.
Also I doubt that players and officials are going to go home crying everynight because some people in the crowd said some bad words at them. Like I said, it has happened and most likely forever will happen in football, at least till the day you and I die, so deal with it, bitch.
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Assuming I'm some sort of hoodlum for letting people do what they want to do that isn't affecting my life in any great way at all? Ok.
This thread stinks of first world problems by the way.
I'mARealWizard
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This forms the basis of your ill thought out ideas.
You don't live in a free society.
All aspects of your life are governed by rules and laws.
You are not free to behave in an inconsiderate and offensive manner. Thinking that you do doesn't make it so
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This forms the basis of your ill thought out ideas.
You don't live in a free society.
All aspects of your life are governed by rules and laws.
You are not free to behave in an inconsiderate and offensive manner. Thinking that you do doesn't make it so
This is why we're going around in circles because we have different views on the severity of swearing and instead of having this discussion you spoke about you're just being condescending and not even acknowledging my point of view that it's not as bad to most people as it is to you and some others. But whatever, I can go to a match and enjoy myself watching my team play instead of being bothered by everyone else at the game, hope you have a good life and feel fulfillment one day by fixing these massive problems in your life, bye.
I'mARealWizard
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I thought that you would have recognised that answering your point would have us continuing in ever decreasing circles.
No doubt, you haven't found the time to ask everyone ever whether they find swearing offensive. Neither have I.
So neither you nor I can claim to be an authority on the issue and have the final say.
The only caveat being that if there are situations (like the ones that I already mentioned that you must have missed due to your casual reading) where no one of sound mind would really entertain swearing, then it must still be a socially accepted norm that swearing is offensive.
And you only find me condescending if you allow yourself to be condescended
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I thought that you would have recognised that answering your point would have us continuing in ever decreasing circles.
No doubt, you haven't found the time to ask everyone ever whether they find swearing offensive. Neither have I.
So neither you nor I can claim to be an authority on the issue and have the final say.
The only caveat being that if there are situations (like the ones that I already mentioned that you must have missed due to your casual reading) where no one of sound mind would really entertain swearing, then it must still be a socially accepted norm that swearing is offensive.
And you only find me condescending if you allow yourself to be condescended
Not going to bite, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Astute
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For anyone that conplains at swearing at matches how about complaining about the players who tell the ref to f**k off first
I see how some think I am thick because I swear. It seems to be a release of tension to me. I don't think about swearing before I do it. We have family areas at grounds. Any idea why? I want to take my 2 year old to a game, but can't trust myself to go in the family areas. If you have kids take them where they are safer. If you are easily offended how about going in there yourself. Should I stop going to games as the occasional bad word comes out of my mouth?
I see how some think I am thick because I swear. It seems to be a release of tension to me. I don't think about swearing before I do it. We have family areas at grounds. Any idea why? I want to take my 2 year old to a game, but can't trust myself to go in the family areas. If you have kids take them where they are safer. If you are easily offended how about going in there yourself. Should I stop going to games as the occasional bad word comes out of my mouth?
CJparker
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Anyone who thinks that swearing at games is OK is wrong - it is against the terms of your ticket, which you accept wen you go into the ground. Even if you do choose to ignore it, at least admit that technically you are breaking the FL rules.
It's actually not acceptable - I wouldn't got for a zero tolerance approach but it does have to be edged out of the game incrementally. It's possible to be passionate about something without swearing about it, like at most other sports for instance. We've developed an unhealthy, inarticulate culture around football which needs to change. I should be able to go to the ground, sit in any seat I want, without fear of having to hear someone belting our foul and abusive language.
Best example I remember was t he 2-3 Leeds home game a couple of years back. When we went 2-0 down, the bloke a couple or rows behind me in block 16 started using every explitive under the sun to lambast Carlsey in particular, as well as the rest of the team. Several children around him were in floods of tears at how aggressive he was, and he refused to be quiet even when me and my mate turned round and told him to shut his mouth. In the end he got a very strong ticking off from the steward, and we didn't hear a peep out of him after that. This was at the bottom of block 15 and with such a full ground (28k+ that day, remember), nobody could move seats to get away from that moron. And yet some people on here would defend him on the basis that his abusive forms part of the culture of watching football.
It's actually not acceptable - I wouldn't got for a zero tolerance approach but it does have to be edged out of the game incrementally. It's possible to be passionate about something without swearing about it, like at most other sports for instance. We've developed an unhealthy, inarticulate culture around football which needs to change. I should be able to go to the ground, sit in any seat I want, without fear of having to hear someone belting our foul and abusive language.
Best example I remember was t he 2-3 Leeds home game a couple of years back. When we went 2-0 down, the bloke a couple or rows behind me in block 16 started using every explitive under the sun to lambast Carlsey in particular, as well as the rest of the team. Several children around him were in floods of tears at how aggressive he was, and he refused to be quiet even when me and my mate turned round and told him to shut his mouth. In the end he got a very strong ticking off from the steward, and we didn't hear a peep out of him after that. This was at the bottom of block 15 and with such a full ground (28k+ that day, remember), nobody could move seats to get away from that moron. And yet some people on here would defend him on the basis that his abusive forms part of the culture of watching football.
CJparker
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Not being harsh Cookie but why not just exercise a bit more self control, rather than inflicting your swearing on the people sat around you? After all, are you going to be proud of your kid when he/she grows up and starts using foul language back at you?
CJparker
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You're right - they would have thought nothing when people threw bananas at Cyril Regis or John Barnes, good times eh?
neilyboy67
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sing shout and swear top deck block 16 for me but whatever floats your boat, i take my young lad and his mate and meet mates in there as well and its part of the theatre for him.... and me its why i stand there! all like minded individuals in that section, we do a fair few away games and its all pretty unavoidable, swear outside my lad and a bollocking forthcoming....! i used to play a lot of golf, no swearing on the course.... thats life, different situations and all that
Astute
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First of all I am not Cookie :facepalm:
Secondly I have 7 kids. My eldest is 26. My youngest is two. Is there anything you think you can tell me about kids?
If you are at Yeovil you will be able to meet my 24 year old lad.....24 yesterday that is
. He is on leave from the army from Friday and meeting me there. Too late to get him a ticket, but will be having a few jars with me......the one I have mentioned about on here a few times......the Motherwell fan Try telling me that he is like me. The eldest 4 are all adults now. None of them have been in any trouble of any kind. You may get the rare swearword out of him, but that is it. My eldest is 26 and an accountant. She was headhunted by a large company last year. She is the youngest in her large office, but recently got put in charge of it.
My 19 year old lad is training as a mechanic, and is well ahead of where he should be.
My 18 year old lad is at Uni.
My 10 year old daughter took her SATS 2 years early at 9. Her lowest section of it put her at the level that an 11 year old should be at. Her best section put her where a 14 year old should be at.
The youngest two are 2 and 3. No idea yet
Not bad I suppose for having a father that is known to swear.
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ccfcway
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First of all I am not Cookie :facepalm:
Secondly I have 7 kids. My eldest is 26. My youngest is two. Is there anything you think you can tell me about kids?
If you are at Yeovil you will be able to meet my 24 year old lad.....24 yesterday that is
My eldest is 26 and an accountant. She was headhunted by a large company last year. She is the youngest in her large office, but recently got put in charge of it.
My 19 year old lad is training as a mechanic, and is well ahead of where he should be.
My 18 year old lad is at Uni.
My 10 year old daughter took her SATS 2 years early. Her lowest section of it put her at the level that an 11 year old should be at. Her best section put her where a 14 year old should be at.
The youngest two are 2 and 3. No idea yet
Not bad I suppose for having a father that is known to swear.
any of them know anything about Stephen Jennings
Otis
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First of all I am not Cookie :facepalm:
Secondly I have 7 kids. My eldest is 26. My youngest is two. Is there anything you think you can tell me about kids?
If you are at Yeovil you will be able to meet my 24 year old lad.....24 yesterday that is
My eldest is 26 and an accountant. She was headhunted by a large company last year. She is the youngest in her large office, but recently got put in charge of it.
My 19 year old lad is training as a mechanic, and is well ahead of where he should be.
My 18 year old lad is at Uni.
My 10 year old daughter took her SATS 2 years early at 9. Her lowest section of it put her at the level that an 11 year old should be at. Her best section put her where a 14 year old should be at.
The youngest two are 2 and 3. No idea yet
Not bad I suppose for having a father that is known to swear.
You not got a son around about 8? My daughter is looking for a new boyfriend and he needs to be from good stock.