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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (126 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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I think second preference voting could work. If no one gets 51% of the vote in the first preference go to second preference.
skybluetony176
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That’s the danger. But lying to the queen to illegally prorogue parliament to stop the wheels of democracy also shouldn’t be allowed to go unpunished. We’re truly in the realms of nothing is sacred anymore.
JAM See
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Philosoraptor
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I think King Djer of Ancient Egypt had the right idea.
When the king died many of the courtiers followed him into the afterlife as well.
I am not saying ritual sacrifice is the way forward for the Labour Party but if we had a clean sweep of Labour councillors and MPs who supported a former leader from power then we could get away from this idea of certain Labour members of trying to get hold of power, and then keep it mentality that so many of them have when they chuck their ethics and morality out of the window in the pursuit of power.
The biggest obstacle to power any party has is waiting till there is a sufficient change of guard in the running of a political party at all levels. There is a reason why people are not voting Labour, and I don't think it has much to do with policy.
When the king died many of the courtiers followed him into the afterlife as well.
I am not saying ritual sacrifice is the way forward for the Labour Party but if we had a clean sweep of Labour councillors and MPs who supported a former leader from power then we could get away from this idea of certain Labour members of trying to get hold of power, and then keep it mentality that so many of them have when they chuck their ethics and morality out of the window in the pursuit of power.
The biggest obstacle to power any party has is waiting till there is a sufficient change of guard in the running of a political party at all levels. There is a reason why people are not voting Labour, and I don't think it has much to do with policy.
Grendel
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It would have meant Farage a big ministerial job at one point
Philosoraptor
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There seems to be some sort of rift going on here. Why is it nearly always the West Midlands caught up on the other side of what's going on?
shmmeee
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Even under PR your vote could mean nothing. And you’ll get a random MP you have no say in you can’t remove.
I’m not sure no need to compromise with the majority and nothing but safe seat MPs is good for democracy.
Id rather STV or similar I think.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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If you remove Labour and put in Tory that's exactly the same. Possibly even more so.
They support whoever the leader is until the see a chance to seize power then stick the knife in. No morals, no ethics, just a desire for power. Then everyone gets behind them until they see a chance and so on. It tends to be the same people in and around the top for ages. There is very little changing of the guard. Given the utter shitshow of the moment surely you believe anyone who has supported Johnson should be removed and barred from standing in future.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Rehashing my cinema analogy it's like one person wanting to see an action movie, the other an art house film so you end up going to watch a rom-com instead. You've reached an agreement but both of you are sitting there thinking "I don't really want to watch this."
shmmeee
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Theres always going to be that issue until you have pure democracy (which is a terrible idea IMO).
Really we probably need to bite the bullet and go for a presidential system as we basically vote like that anyway.
chiefdave
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Went down a google wormhole reading about different voting systems and found a report on a meeting of specialists in voting procedures to discuss which system worked best. FPTP came bottom of the pile.
Grendel
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Yeah we'd rather have a PR system like say in Italy that creates about 30 governments in 40 years. How has it not worked in your view?
shmmeee
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Problem is like all progressive policies 50% want nothing to change and the other 50% are split eight ways about what change to make.
Philosoraptor
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skybluetony176
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Italy also operates a parallel voting system that combines FPTP with PR. Their far right want to change that to FPTP only. Funny that.
skybluetony176
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#levellingup
skybluetony176
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Thank god I’m not watching strictly. They got an all male couple this year and I heard it can make you gay just looking at them. It’s the subliminal gay gene through my TV. Fact.
shmmeee
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Not to go full Tony here, but I see Isabelle Oakshott is saying we’re bad parents and bad Christians who don’t know the meaning of Christmas if we want a turkey and presents for the kids.
Piss off Izzy the true meaning of Christmas in my house is presents and gluttony. Deal with it.
Piss off Izzy the true meaning of Christmas in my house is presents and gluttony. Deal with it.
Not surprised mate. The fact that it settled down across most of the country after a few days (because most had more fuel than they needed) was a decent indicator. If there were proper shortages/supply issues they’d still be problems across the whole country now.
I see the media are now whipping up panic buying at supermarkets
. There are no doubt some supply pressures and delays in deliveries but nothing that significantly impacts people’s lives...until the selfish idiots head out and buy ten of everything.....just incase !
fernandopartridge
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She was going on about Christmas being cancelled due to lockdown closing shops, pubs and restaurants last year
Ian1779
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She’s a proper fucking crank - will change her opinion on a whim to distract from the shit show.
clint van damme
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nice to know she's so invested in the story of a non white immigrant family.
Nick
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Didn't normal people know that though?
Evo1883
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Yes but it need to be confirmed on here
Skybluefaz
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There is an endless stream of these idiots isn't there?
clint van damme
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This is intriguing.
news.sky.com
Austria: Chancellor Sebastian Kurz steps down to 'refute and disprove' corruption allegations
Sebastian Kurz denies any wrongdoing and says the allegations are "false", adding that he is stepping down to "prevent chaos and ensure stability".
