Sick Boy
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There were around 3,000 last Saturday, what are you going on about?
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (183 Viewers)
- Thread starter BackRoomRummermill
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Maybe time is flying faster than I think
duffer
Well-Known Member
No it really isn't. You are absolutely and completely making shit up, presumably because you don't want to suffer any personal inconvenience.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview
COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com
Who's the real baby here?
There are some people whose mixture of ignorance and arrogance means that they really shouldn't be allowed near a computer, because they are literally dangerously stupid.
Do some actual fucking research and stop posting bollocks to justify your sense of entitlement. I'm sorry for the tone, but anyone who compares Covid to the flu is a certifiable moron.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
it has 3,000 in hospital so the cases can’t be accurate which again makes it a pointless stat really
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Have you got a link to that data? From what I can see on the 18th October there were 358 in ICU.
I don't think there is a major conspiracy/cover up going on to hide cases.
Hmm website looks bollocks prove real science not some bollocks, they cant even do the maths correct.No it really isn't. You are absolutely and completely making shit up, presumably because you don't want to suffer any personal inconvenience.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview
COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
Who's the real baby here?
There are some people whose mixture of ignorance and arrogance means that they really shouldn't be allowed near a computer, because they are literally dangerously stupid.
Do some actual fucking research and stop posting bollocks to justify your sense of entitlement. I'm sorry for the tone, but anyone who compares Covid to the flu is a certifiable moron.
You have also gone for the elderly, please find a study that does all age groups.No it really isn't. You are absolutely and completely making shit up, presumably because you don't want to suffer any personal inconvenience.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview
COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
Who's the real baby here?
There are some people whose mixture of ignorance and arrogance means that they really shouldn't be allowed near a computer, because they are literally dangerously stupid.
Do some actual fucking research and stop posting bollocks to justify your sense of entitlement. I'm sorry for the tone, but anyone who compares Covid to the flu is a certifiable moron.
358 in icu? Yet uk has what 800? Yet our cases are nearly 20x there as grendal says something dont make sense.
Does your misses know about your bf or do you keep it a secret m8
, shes been here since I was a fat fuck, I love how you result to trying to insult me, because you csnt be bothered talking like a man to me.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
your starting to sound like astute - its down from 2.7k to 2.4K in the last few days it’s hardly a cover up the infections are based on testing and for some reason the U.K. is testing 4 times more than Europe now
Italy: COVID-19 patients hospitalized symptoms 2024 | Statista
The coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak caused massive troubles in Italy.
www.statista.com
robbiekeane
Well-Known Member
I really don't understand why they don't show positive cases as a percentage of tests taken? They must be deliberately not controlling for that for some reason it's so obvious
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I was referring to ICU patients, which is in the 100s.your starting to sound like astute - its down from 2.7k to 2.4K in the last few days it’s hardly a cover up the infections are based on testing and for some reason the U.K. is testing 4 times more than Europe now
Italy: COVID-19 patients hospitalized symptoms 2024 | Statista
The coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak caused massive troubles in Italy.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
the U.K. tests are around 1 million a day so it’s not surprising 50,000 are recorded - a lot of the positives also are in the south west Wiltshire Somerset and Avon which has something to do with the Wolverhampton false test issue - why I don’t know
Grendel
Well-Known Member
uk is around 700 isn’t it so again the same argument holds
Saddlebrains
Well-Known Member
Worst that will happen, masks in public settings, work from home till say March, vaccine passports for sports events etc.
Wont close anything again im confident
Wont close anything again im confident
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
They do
duffer
Well-Known Member
What's bollocks is your complete ignorance. Try reading it again... here's the magic phrase that shoots down your ludicrous comparison to flu...
The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.
You'll notice there's nothing about age in that phrase. In fact there's nothing about age in that study, other than to point out that the average age was the same for both groups (flu and Covid). In scientific terms, broadly speaking, that's controlling for age to show that it isn't a factor in the difference in death rate. Read it again for yourself.
Have a read of this too, which also blows apart your argument:
One year on: Three myths about COVID-19 that the data proved wrong
Three charts measuring 'years of life lost' that disprove three ‘myths’ that were prevalent at the start of the pandemic.
Here's the ONS data. That's the Office of National Statistics, the UK's largest independent producer of official statistics and its recognised national statistical institute:
Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.
www.ons.gov.uk
I reckon they know a bit more about maths than you do, mate. They say:
- In comparison with the deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurring in the year to 31 August 2020, deaths due to COVID-19 have been higher than every year monthly data are available (1959 to 2020).
Covid and flu: what do the numbers tell us about morbidity and deaths?
Much confusion has been seen in the UK media about the effects on mortality of flu and covid-19. Gareth Iacobucci separates fact from fiction Data from the Office for National Statistics show that in England and Wales the number of deaths from influenza was 1598 in 2018 and 1223 in 2019.1 This...
And comes to the conclusion. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.8 The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK"
So, how about a bet?
You provide actual scientific evidence like I've done, so peer-reviewed studies or official statistics, that back up your ludicrous claim that Covid is no more serious than seasonal flu and I'll give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice, and stay off the forum for a year. Facebook bullshit, or 'fat bloke down the pub told me' doesn't count I'm afraid.
If you can't provide evidence to that standard, then you do the same. Stay off the forum for a year, and give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice.
I get the impression you think this is a bit of a laugh, and I'm all for freedom of speech, but not when someone is spreading dangerously stupid lies.
Frankly mate, you're a menace, and when you either chicken out of the bet or lose it (as you will), then everyone here will see that - and hopefully remind you of it every single time you post your bullshit.
duffer
Well-Known Member
your starting to sound like astute - its down from 2.7k to 2.4K in the last few days it’s hardly a cover up the infections are based on testing and for some reason the U.K. is testing 4 times more than Europe now
Italy: COVID-19 patients hospitalized symptoms 2024 | Statista
The coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak caused massive troubles in Italy.
I'm not quite sure where you're going with this. Is there a suggestion that because we're testing more it's somehow influencing the number of people getting ill and/or dying from Covid? That seems illogical.
Here are the figures for people dying of Covid in the last seven days (I've gone for Western Europe, populations are: Germany a bit more than us, Italy a bit less, France about the same, Spain about 2/3rds ish of ours):
UK: 764
Germany: 390
Italy: 221
Spain: 128
France: 94
Is the difference in deaths down to us testing proportionately more than those places this week, or is it perhaps something to do with the way we're managing the pandemic?
(from COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista)
robbiekeane
Well-Known Member
Seattle tonight, craft beer joint. Works fine, having a great time
Why would I be betting? Lmao get lost ya freak, I will find evidence when I want but I aint getting myself into a gambling situation.What's bollocks is your complete ignorance. Try reading it again... here's the magic phrase that shoots down your ludicrous comparison to flu...
The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.
You'll notice there's nothing about age in that phrase. In fact there's nothing about age in that study, other than to point out that the average age was the same for both groups (flu and Covid). In scientific terms, broadly speaking, that's controlling for age to show that it isn't a factor in the difference in death rate. Read it again for yourself.
Have a read of this too, which also blows apart your argument:
One year on: Three myths about COVID-19 that the data proved wrong
Three charts measuring 'years of life lost' that disprove three ‘myths’ that were prevalent at the start of the pandemic.www.health.org.uk
Here's the ONS data. That's the Office of National Statistics, the UK's largest independent producer of official statistics and its recognised national statistical institute:
Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.www.ons.gov.uk
I reckon they know a bit more about maths than you do, mate. They say:
And here again, just published, the British Medical Journal reviews all the studies...
- In comparison with the deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurring in the year to 31 August 2020, deaths due to COVID-19 have been higher than every year monthly data are available (1959 to 2020).
Covid and flu: what do the numbers tell us about morbidity and deaths?
Much confusion has been seen in the UK media about the effects on mortality of flu and covid-19. Gareth Iacobucci separates fact from fiction Data from the Office for National Statistics show that in England and Wales the number of deaths from influenza was 1598 in 2018 and 1223 in 2019.1 This...www.bmj.com
And comes to the conclusion. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.8 The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK"
So, how about a bet?
You provide actual scientific evidence like I've done, so peer-reviewed studies or official statistics, that back up your ludicrous claim that Covid is no more serious than seasonal flu and I'll give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice, and stay off the forum for a year. Facebook bullshit, or 'fat bloke down the pub told me' doesn't count I'm afraid.
If you can't provide evidence to that standard, then you do the same. Stay off the forum for a year, and give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice.
I get the impression you think this is a bit of a laugh, and I'm all for freedom of speech, but not when someone is spreading dangerously stupid lies.
Frankly mate, you're a menace, and when you either chicken out of the bet or lose it (as you will), then everyone here will see that - and hopefully remind you of it every single time you post your bullshit.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
A charity donation is hardly a path to a slippery slope. Unless of course you’re not confident of winning the argument?
covmark
Well-Known Member
In other words - Duffers made you look like a tit, and you don't have any evidence for the shite that you're posting.
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I remember seei g it everywhere that covid had a higher infections rate and lower mortality rate sometime last year when everyone was freaking out.
And if he made me look like a tit so what I still am not a betting, I didn't lose like 17k in a few months like 5 years ago and self exclude myself if I was going to gsmble again.
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Deleted member 5849
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Christ, I didn't realise they let 10 year olds bet!
Or perhaps it is when yoo have had issues in the past,
I mean the 96 in my year is not just a random number
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Not sure you’ve needed much help with some of your comments on this thread.
Na you all just lefty bores, who want to hide.
clint van damme
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You mean Trev on Facebook posted a meme with it on.
stay_up_skyblues
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It was just below the post from my 75 year old great aunt who shared a wholly accurate meme that they had banned Henry VIII from the school curriculum as it offends Islam.
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