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TwistAndShoutCCFC1987
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Imo walker is a better striker than godden. Compare their goal records in l2 and l1 (when walker was at mansfield and lincoln on loan) and I think it’s clear to see who is better. Godden suits our system well but walker is a goalscorer and needs to be given more of a chance
SlowerThanPlatt
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Agree Walker is a better long term prospect but wouldn’t it make more sense to compare their records in the Championship?
TwistAndShoutCCFC1987
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Yes but both haven’t featured regularly for us in the champ for various reasons
Torquay Sky Blue
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Funny how people gauge opinions on here. I have often made my views clear on Walker and found myself being accused of being a Biamou fan (which I'm not) but never a racist I'm pleased to say.
shmmeee
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RegiswasGod
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Godden did win his place back. That's why he started. Also, he's the better striker
fernandopartridge
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He didn't win it back, he was brought straight back in despite Walker scoring twice in successive away games.
Frostie
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Horses for courses imo.
All 4 are very decent strikers at this level & offer different things.
Harsh on Walker possibly yes but can understand the Godden selection. He runs the channels better than Walker & also helps defensively when playing against a system that utilises wingers.
Good analysis piece this & highlights how we often ask the strikers to defend against full backs to prevent a 2v1 against our wing-backs. Godden is very good at this.
totalfootballanalysis.com
All 4 are very decent strikers at this level & offer different things.
Harsh on Walker possibly yes but can understand the Godden selection. He runs the channels better than Walker & also helps defensively when playing against a system that utilises wingers.
Good analysis piece this & highlights how we often ask the strikers to defend against full backs to prevent a 2v1 against our wing-backs. Godden is very good at this.
Why Coventry City are this season’s surprise package in the Championship – tactical analysis
Tactical analysis tactics of Coventry City as a scout report. Tactical analysis and tactics of Coventry City. Tactical analysis scout report Coventry City.
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mds
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Thats a really good read, enjoyed that. Was a bit surprised with how low the crossing accuracy and balls into the 6yrd box stats were tho.Horses for courses imo.
All 4 are very decent strikers at this level & offer different things.
Harsh on Walker possibly yes but can understand the Godden selection. He runs the channels better than Walker & also helps defensively when playing against a system that utilises wingers.
Good analysis piece this & highlights how we often ask the strikers to defend against full backs to prevent a 2v1 against our wing-backs. Godden is very good at this.
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Why Coventry City are this season’s surprise package in the Championship – tactical analysis
Tactical analysis tactics of Coventry City as a scout report. Tactical analysis and tactics of Coventry City. Tactical analysis scout report Coventry City.
fernandopartridge
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It is a good read but I disagree that Hyam is more comfortable in possession than McFadzHorses for courses imo.
All 4 are very decent strikers at this level & offer different things.
Harsh on Walker possibly yes but can understand the Godden selection. He runs the channels better than Walker & also helps defensively when playing against a system that utilises wingers.
Good analysis piece this & highlights how we often ask the strikers to defend against full backs to prevent a 2v1 against our wing-backs. Godden is very good at this.
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Why Coventry City are this season’s surprise package in the Championship – tactical analysis
Tactical analysis tactics of Coventry City as a scout report. Tactical analysis and tactics of Coventry City. Tactical analysis scout report Coventry City.
Frostie
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Yes, I disagreed with that bit too.
Hyam is... Erratic in possession imo. One minute he looks really comfortable, the next like a deer in the headlights.
McFadz is a very capable ball playing defender.
Frostie
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Our crossing is woeful & was woeful last season too, I remember making a post on it back in March.
It's a major flaw in Dabo's game particularly
Next season squad if we stay up...
I can see McFadzean getting a contract extension he is an out and out centre half and good at it unless MR has one lined up going to be a few CBs available.
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SkyblueDad
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Godden is more suited to how we play than Walker, they are both decent goal scorers infact Walkers record of 9 in 41 games a lot of which he was either a sub or substituted so his minutes on the pitch is reduced is very good. He will be two years into his three year contract come the summer, I think decisions might have to be made by club or him.
Skyblueweeman
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You're right butTBF, we don't see what goes on in training. Maybe Walker was having a bad week in training, Godden a good one (and a hat-trick for the U23s). It's not just the 1st team games that go towards winning/losing your place in the team.
SkyblueDad
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Have to agree regarding Dabo’s crossing I watched him carefully the last couple of games and he tends to try and arrow his deliveries waist high which get intercepted but in fairness to him we are not blessed with Dion Dublin type forwards who are deadly in air.
Skyblueweeman
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Just read the whole thread this morning and TBF, it's amazing how wanting Godden ahead of Walker might be construed as racist?!
This place is a bit crazy at the moment. I like a lot of what US and G have to say on a number of options. Think G was wrong on this one though. It's a forum though so debate and difference of opinion is good though.
But insinuating racism when it clearly isn't is a bit too far.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I think in a situation where you didn´t already have 3 good strikers, Walker would be a lot more valuable. As it is, we have other strikers that can finish, whilst also doing other bits of the game that work for the team more favourably.
Ok, so he scored two in two games, which is fantastic. Good goals too. That being said, we played pretty poorly for a lot of those two games and ended up with one draw and one defeat. The results weren´t there. Did the way we play with Walker in the team have anything to do with that? Perhaps. I genuinely think we play a lot better when the other strikers are in the team. Waghorn for me is a funny one. He works hard but doesn´t seem to offer a lot else. For some reason though, Gyokeres plays the best when he is in the team. Godden´s assist at Fulham (Walker wouldn´t have done that) was sublime and for me he offers the best of everything. Good finishing, good work rate, and good assist play. He is the player I would probably like to see with Gyokeres, who surely is our undisputed number 1 striker by now.
I still think we should look at this as a positive though. There are significantly worse problems we could have!
Ok, so he scored two in two games, which is fantastic. Good goals too. That being said, we played pretty poorly for a lot of those two games and ended up with one draw and one defeat. The results weren´t there. Did the way we play with Walker in the team have anything to do with that? Perhaps. I genuinely think we play a lot better when the other strikers are in the team. Waghorn for me is a funny one. He works hard but doesn´t seem to offer a lot else. For some reason though, Gyokeres plays the best when he is in the team. Godden´s assist at Fulham (Walker wouldn´t have done that) was sublime and for me he offers the best of everything. Good finishing, good work rate, and good assist play. He is the player I would probably like to see with Gyokeres, who surely is our undisputed number 1 striker by now.
I still think we should look at this as a positive though. There are significantly worse problems we could have!
Evo1883
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Not remotely similar to the point .
The point is ,Walker doesn't work hard enough which pretty much has a negative impact in the side overall . you already knew that though , and so does Robins... hence benched
shmmeee
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We didn’t lose/draw those games because of Walker, you’re being ridiculous.
Robins has a habit of bringing back/keeping in his favourites irrationally. He did it with Kelly, Hyam, and Godden. I’m not sure it proves much, in fact I’d argue it’s that habit that’s cost us more points than a striker who nearly won the game for us single handed vs Blackburn.
Evo1883
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Haha , this is insane
Walker doesn't work anywhere near as hard as he needs to , if he did , he would be playing every week
We are obviously struggling with the basic argument of why he isn't playing so tell me why he SHOULD play ? What does the lad offer ?
2 goals in 2 games says a lot of what he offers
The Philosopher
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Hyam is comfortable in possession when he has his RWB in position and the defensive midfielders in position.
When Dabo pushes high to cross from the byline (rather than whip in early) it’s a long way back. If during that time the opposition has made a break and Hyam has the ball then he’s got one less outlet, it’s then that he is forced to play out of his comfort zone.
Solution: say to Dabo to cross early and get ready to chase back if required.
Similarly, if Sheaf / Kelly / Hamer either go too far forward and don’t chase back then it’s another outlet for the defence to pass through closed off.
I’m on no mood to debate with stat-gimps today. My observation is that Kelly sits too deep which disjoints the flow from mid to att but helps with the flow from defence to mid. Hamer is random. Sheaf doesn’t chase back quick enough and the result is that some passes are hit harder to him (to bypass the high press of the opponents) and he then has less chance of controlling and sometimes loses possession.
Solution: Sheaf to get back quicker to provide an shorter outlet to the defenders. He’s got a decent passing range. Use that from deeper.
Evo1883
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So the rest of his game is irrelevant, this used to work In 1980
The Philosopher
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I agree that Walker has good finishing skills but his hold up play and pressing is not the best by any stretch.
We are more likely to lose the ball and as a result concede by having a player that can’t keep it very well. To be fair to Godden and Wag they do nip at defenders a bit more but this means they are less likely to be hanging around the 6 yd box to finish. Walker is more of an old fashioned goalhanger.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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If you were going to look at it in extremes, then you could say what if Walker scored and then did a Yakubu for 89 minutes - would the overall net contribution be positive? No, it wouldn´t.
I am not suggesting Walker does nothing for 89 other minutes, but he does a lot less than any of the other strikers. That has to count for something. Particularly as Gyokeres has 9 goals this season, and Godden has scored in both his last two games too.
I think there is a bit of shoving fingers in ears when it comes to Walker.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Walker’s a poacher there to put chances away, not really much else. I’d be ok trading him for another Gyo type player but only if that player is definitely available and we aren’t left one short.
Evo1883
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Penalties , both of which he earned and took tbh
Was involved in 3 goals against Fulham
SlowerThanPlatt
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That was a short truce
Evo1883
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@mr_monkey laugh , then explain why he should start ahead of godden and waghorn ? And why does Robins drop him ?
If you want I can show you the stats that show he doesn't recover the ball aswell as godden , doesn't win as many duels as godden .. show me the evidence you have to say I'm wrong...go
If you want I can show you the stats that show he doesn't recover the ball aswell as godden , doesn't win as many duels as godden .. show me the evidence you have to say I'm wrong...go
shmmeee
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Because he was in form. Same reason Rose should’ve started ahead of Hyam TBH. Scores two in two and then dropped. When Hamer got himself suspended he had to sit out yet Godden comes straight back in for our in form striker. Just bad man management TBH.