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no_loyalty

no_loyalty

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wingy said:
Was the silence for Armistice remembrance?
Aren't there any games next weekend
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I think all home teams do it the closest they can to Remembrance day.
 
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Gint11

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Great turnout, great kit, great win, great clean sheet.

I can hear the champions league music right now……
 
Warthog

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riyadhskyblue said:
Never more relevant, Coventry is the city of peace and reconciliation and we should remember those that gave their service in defence of our way of life.
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No I don’t mean that I mean it should be a round of applause. The silences are too poorly observed.

Also was I the only one who found it hilarious watching the 2 tigers bowing their heads next to the players
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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riyadhskyblue said:
Never more relevant, Coventry is the city of peace and reconciliation and we should remember those that gave their service in defence of our way of life.
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Indeed, but when you look at our current way of life whereby it's set up to keep the rich rich and the poor poor it feels very much like the lesser of two evils. Let's not forget that at the time we were still very much a racist, sexist and homophobic country so it's not like we were or are perfect or anywhere near.
 
NortonSkyBlue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Indeed, but when you look at our current way of life whereby it's set up to keep the rich rich and the poor poor it feels very much like the lesser of two evils. Let's not forget that at the time we were still very much a racist, sexist and homophobic country so it's not like we were or are perfect or anywhere near.
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A patriot I see.
Well to counter your view( btw we also remember our family members for their sacrifice) nowhere is perfect but you are free to voice your opinion with fear of retribution. That in itself is something to fight for, or so it was felt.
 
Evo1883

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Indeed, but when you look at our current way of life whereby it's set up to keep the rich rich and the poor poor it feels very much like the lesser of two evils. Let's not forget that at the time we were still very much a racist, sexist and homophobic country so it's not like we were or are perfect or anywhere near.
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It's allowed us to keep our way of life and develop ourselves as people then .

Either way it wouldn't have happened had Hitler won the war

They deserve our respect and remembrance for their extreme bravery and courage in the face of a formidable and extremely dangerous regime
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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Evo1883 said:
It's allowed us to keep our way of life and develop ourselves as people then .

Either way it wouldn't have happened had Hitler won the war

They deserve our respect and remembrance for their extreme bravery and courage
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Agree - As the son of an RAF war hero.
I fully support the minutes silence and the war didn't just allow us to maintain some of the key elements of British life. It was catalyst for positive change in our society for the better.
During the war the 1944 Education act was developed by the coalition government AND the post war government created the NHS. Both elements were central to the country we are today.
 
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We need to keep the minutes silence for the right occasions and this is definitely one of them applause wouldn’t seem right.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Evo1883 said:
It's allowed us to keep our way of life and develop ourselves as people then .

Either way it wouldn't have happened had Hitler won the war

They deserve our respect and remembrance for their extreme bravery and courage in the face of a formidable and extremely dangerous regime
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Of course they deserve respect and remembrance and to have done what they did required immense bravery and courage. But the remembrance isn't just for WWI and WWII - it's for every subsequent conflict and not everything British troops have fought for was good. Less than 10 years after WWII British troops were killed in the Kenyan uprising which is now largely seen as a stain on Britain's reputation. That should not be put on the individual soldiers who were just following orders, but the same could be said of the Germans etc fighting. Earlier in history we've got things like India and Boer which we can hardly claim any sort of moral high ground.

Johnson and his govt have tried to put themselves above the law a few times. They run the govt for the benefit of their wealthy friends and donors while constantly causing hardship for those most vulnerable. Just because it's better than living under the Nazi's doesn't mean it's great and that the society we've become should be held up as some gleaming bastion. Do you think a lot of the soldiers who fought and died back then would have been on board with modern things like acceptance of homosexuality and racial and gender equality? I imagine quite a few would have found the thought of those things abhorrent and be mortified at the lack of religiousness.

If the Celts had managed to keep the Romans at bay we'd have missed out on all the advancements of that civilisation yet at the same time those same Romans killed and enslaved many native Brits in the invasion and quite a few of the Roman emperors were very much from the same stock as Hitler. We don't look upon that as a travesty because of the amount of time that has passed. It's now just of historic interest but at the time I'll bet the Brits considered those that died fighting the Romans as heroes just in the same way we look at soldiers from the world wars.

As horrible as it is, If Germany had won the war chances are we'd be celebrating that instead because history is written by the victors and over time it would have just became another bit of history. Same as with Bonfire Night. Had they succeeded we'd still be having it, just celebrating that we'd got rid of the protestant king and government.

Of course we should commemorate the ex-soldiers, but let's not kid ourselves that we've always been fighting for the right side or that where we've ended up (or where we end up in the future) will be what the soldiers were fighting for. Remembering the fallen should be just that - honouring the dead - but often it feels like it's being used as an excuse to say "we're great" or used as a nationalistic rallying cry to make people gloss over our current failings.
 
Evo1883

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Of course they deserve respect and remembrance and to have done what they did required immense bravery and courage. But the remembrance isn't just for WWI and WWII - it's for every subsequent conflict and not everything British troops have fought for was good. Less than 10 years after WWII British troops were killed in the Kenyan uprising which is now largely seen as a stain on Britain's reputation. That should not be put on the individual soldiers who were just following orders, but the same could be said of the Germans etc fighting. Earlier in history we've got things like India and Boer which we can hardly claim any sort of moral high ground.

Johnson and his govt have tried to put themselves above the law a few times. They run the govt for the benefit of their wealthy friends and donors while constantly causing hardship for those most vulnerable. Just because it's better than living under the Nazi's doesn't mean it's great and that the society we've become should be held up as some gleaming bastion. Do you think a lot of the soldiers who fought and died back then would have been on board with modern things like acceptance of homosexuality and racial and gender equality? I imagine quite a few would have found the thought of those things abhorrent and be mortified at the lack of religiousness.

If the Celts had managed to keep the Romans at bay we'd have missed out on all the advancements of that civilisation yet at the same time those same Romans killed and enslaved many native Brits in the invasion and quite a few of the Roman emperors were very much from the same stock as Hitler. We don't look upon that as a travesty because of the amount of time that has passed. It's now just of historic interest but at the time I'll bet the Brits considered those that died fighting the Romans as heroes just in the same way we look at soldiers from the world wars.

As horrible as it is, If Germany had won the war chances are we'd be celebrating that instead because history is written by the victors and over time it would have just became another bit of history. Same as with Bonfire Night. Had they succeeded we'd still be having it, just celebrating that we'd got rid of the protestant king and government.

Of course we should commemorate the ex-soldiers, but let's not kid ourselves that we've always been fighting for the right side or that where we've ended up (or where we end up in the future) will be what the soldiers were fighting for. Remembering the fallen should be just that - honouring the dead - but often it feels like it's being used as an excuse to say "we're great" or used as a nationalistic rallying cry to make people gloss over our current failings.
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I'm sorry I'm not about to sit here slagging off our servicemen and women , and those in the past because they thought differently to you 80/100 years ago , as an ex serviceman myself who was involved in Iraq and Afghanistan I have nothing but admiration for our heroes past and present .

I don't share your opinions on this

It's not about nationalism it's simply respect, although looking at the queen thread it's very difficult for some to be respectful
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
but often it feels like it's being used as an excuse to say "we're great" or used as a nationalistic rallying cry to make people gloss over our current failings.
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I think everyone is aware of our failings, but a bit like we (as City fans) don't like to dwell on our relegations, we'd sooner bang on about Wembley victories or promotions. I'm hoping next year to visit a German pow camp in Poland with my brother to honour our long departed grandfather (my brother has done loads of research into 'The Long March' that he took part in). Lots of people made lots of sacrifices, and it seems churlish not to take a couple of minutes once a year to pause for thought (without forgetting that a lot of politicians are useless).
 
TomRad85

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Indeed, but when you look at our current way of life whereby it's set up to keep the rich rich and the poor poor it feels very much like the lesser of two evils. Let's not forget that at the time we were still very much a racist, sexist and homophobic country so it's not like we were or are perfect or anywhere near.
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Christ... don't respect war heroes because the views they held many years ago are probably a bit dated by today's standards. Shittest take I've seen on this forum, and that's saying something.

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NortonSkyBlue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Of course they deserve respect and remembrance and to have done what they did required immense bravery and courage. But the remembrance isn't just for WWI and WWII - it's for every subsequent conflict and not everything British troops have fought for was good. Less than 10 years after WWII British troops were killed in the Kenyan uprising which is now largely seen as a stain on Britain's reputation. That should not be put on the individual soldiers who were just following orders, but the same could be said of the Germans etc fighting. Earlier in history we've got things like India and Boer which we can hardly claim any sort of moral high ground.

Johnson and his govt have tried to put themselves above the law a few times. They run the govt for the benefit of their wealthy friends and donors while constantly causing hardship for those most vulnerable. Just because it's better than living under the Nazi's doesn't mean it's great and that the society we've become should be held up as some gleaming bastion. Do you think a lot of the soldiers who fought and died back then would have been on board with modern things like acceptance of homosexuality and racial and gender equality? I imagine quite a few would have found the thought of those things abhorrent and be mortified at the lack of religiousness.

If the Celts had managed to keep the Romans at bay we'd have missed out on all the advancements of that civilisation yet at the same time those same Romans killed and enslaved many native Brits in the invasion and quite a few of the Roman emperors were very much from the same stock as Hitler. We don't look upon that as a travesty because of the amount of time that has passed. It's now just of historic interest but at the time I'll bet the Brits considered those that died fighting the Romans as heroes just in the same way we look at soldiers from the world wars.

As horrible as it is, If Germany had won the war chances are we'd be celebrating that instead because history is written by the victors and over time it would have just became another bit of history. Same as with Bonfire Night. Had they succeeded we'd still be having it, just celebrating that we'd got rid of the protestant king and government.

Of course we should commemorate the ex-soldiers, but let's not kid ourselves that we've always been fighting for the right side or that where we've ended up (or where we end up in the future) will be what the soldiers were fighting for. Remembering the fallen should be just that - honouring the dead - but often it feels like it's being used as an excuse to say "we're great" or used as a nationalistic rallying cry to make people gloss over our current failings.
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Okay I will bite, what do our current failings have to do with commemorating our fallen?
What is clear is that you are on the wrong side of this conversation.
 
Colin Steins Smile

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From my perspective holding a period of silence is a powerful statement of respect to those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. My dad who served in the Second World War did not want to speak about his war experience.
His silence spoke volumes to me. Something I will hold in respect to him.
 
Sick Boy

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Evo1883 said:
I'm sorry I'm not about to sit here slagging off our servicemen and women , and those in the past because they thought differently to you 80/100 years ago , as an ex serviceman myself who was involved in Iraq and Afghanistan I have nothing but admiration for our heroes past and present .

I don't share your opinions on this

It's not about nationalism it's simply respect, although looking at the queen thread it's very difficult for some to be respectful
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I dont think they’re slagging off servicemen and women?
 
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NortonSkyBlue

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Sick Boy said:
According to whom? You?
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Well the fact that we have a Remembrance Sunday, poppy appeal and a British Legion is a clue.
I don’t know what is so difficult? If you don’t want to remember those that sacrificed so much for us then that’s a choice for you to make, which they died to earn.
if you believe in Sky Blue Dreamers view then I suspect you are on the wrong side of the argument too.
 
tskezz

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riyadhskyblue said:
Well the fact that we have a Remembrance Sunday, poppy appeal and a British Legion is a clue.
I don’t know what is so difficult? If you don’t want to remember those that sacrificed so much for us then that’s a choice for you to make, which they died to earn.
if you believe in Sky Blue Dreamers view then I suspect you are on the wrong side of the argument too.
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Sky blue dreamer says to commemorate ex soldiers and honour the dead. So which other part exactly is he on the wrong side of?

Or am I now also going to be told I'm on the wrong side to?
 
NortonSkyBlue

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tskezz said:
Sky blue dreamer says to commemorate ex soldiers and honour the dead. So which other part exactly is he on the wrong side of?

Or am I now also going to be told I'm on the wrong side to?
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I am sorry that you believe I am telling you anything.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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riyadhskyblue said:
Well the fact that we have a Remembrance Sunday, poppy appeal and a British Legion is a clue.
I don’t know what is so difficult? If you don’t want to remember those that sacrificed so much for us then that’s a choice for you to make, which they died to earn.
if you believe in Sky Blue Dreamers view then I suspect you are on the wrong side of the argument too.
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Who says I don't want to remember? I observe the silences. I buy a poppy and am more than happy to wear it.

I'm breaking this down into two elements.

The first is the commemoration of the servicemen and women. That bit I'm fully behind.

The second is how this message is often hijacked and the "they died for your way of life" message is used as a means of putting down any kind of criticism of the country both currently or in the past, as if Britain is always right and above reproach. Nowadays it feels like this country is slipping more and more towards what many of those that died fought to stop.

The fact I've already be accused of being unpatriotic just highlights this.
 
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